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X-Men: The End #1

17:08 / 15.07.04

Here! It's not bad, actually. And it would seem to answer the question of whether Morrison's take on the Phoenix has/will become canon according to the Claremont...

21:25 / 15.07.04

It left me feeling cold... The snippets of the other X-men were the only slightly interesting part. Scott and Emma still together (nice one CC), Xavier still in Genosha, Storm encased in some sort of full-body cast (??).
The whole "intergalactic war" angle seems so very.... dated.

01:35 / 16.07.04

"Yaikes!" pretty much sums up my feel for this.

Lots and lots of talking. Lots of it. To an offscreen presence. I grew out of liking that with the end Rogue Trooper.

Three pages of exposition before we even hit the story itself. Yawn, throw me in head first.

01:50 / 16.07.04

Oh, fucking hell. It gets worse?

Well, here's the Kree, they're pretty bad. Oh, a Skrull! They're pretty bad too! Oh, the Brood!

What is this? A fucking tea party!

Oddities: Is Storm wearing the same life-support cast as Prof X was during E for Extinction?

Lots of shitty 80s X-references and dialogue. Totally bad dialogue. Totally.

If this is The End it's a piss-poor way to go out with a bang.

02:05 / 16.07.04

The whole thing was a bloated load of bullshit, yes. A whole lot of words and nothing happened. Well, a planet exploded, or something. But, blah.

Sean Chen draws some pretty technology, though.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

07:35 / 16.07.04

ALARMALARMALARMALARMALARMALARMALARMALARMALARM

Somebody explain SFX to these cunts, stat.

(since reading that claremont expose a while back all I can think of when reading this bilge is HE LIKES TO GET FISTED! BY WOMEN DRESSED AS STORM! EWWWW!)

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

07:48 / 16.07.04

My christ, what is with claremont trying to write like a bad buffy episode these days?

"Totally my bad" = DICKS IN YOUR EYES, FACE CLAREMONT*

*everyone needs to channel Jerkcity now and again

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

08:46 / 16.07.04

A lot of this struck me as a massive rip of Here Comes Tomorrow, which was of course the true X-Men: The End (and Wolverine: The End, if you ask me).

This pretender series just stinks of piss.

11:51 / 16.07.04

Horrible art + worse dialouge = worse then horrible tripe.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

12:17 / 16.07.04

Well, it's certainly following the Marvel tradition of ignoring Morrison's last story, no phoenix egg for you queer granny!

12:27 / 16.07.04

Hmmm.. Cocoon/Egg, same difference no? Just twisting Grant's notion into something more cybernetic (as CC likes to do).

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

12:55 / 16.07.04

I always hoped the Jean returns story would open with the Phoenix pod appearing suddenly were Jean fell in NYC, and almost causing a pileup. Nice, dramatic, but a little understated. Not a Matrix ripoff.

I predict these will be impossible from a continuity standpoint by next year at the latest - and this will still be comming out by then. Oh dearie me.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

12:58 / 16.07.04

Come to think of it, if the egg appears in the second-from-last place Jeanix dies, it makes sense the aliens nicked it off the moon, hatched her and stuck her in that fucking containment monstrosity.

13:08 / 16.07.04

This may be dumb to ask HERE, but where are all the places Jean/Jeanix/Maddie died?

I got
1) Jamiaca Bay -UXM 11?
2) the Moon -UXM137
3) Hellfire Club: New York -UXM281
4) Central Park New York -NXM 150

Here Comes Tomorrow was a MUCH better end of everything.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:17 / 16.07.04

Except for the fact that in NXM 154, Jean "amputates" the timeline in which the events of 'Here Comes Tomorrow' occur, and creates a new timeline in which yer man Summers doesn't quit because he's cheered up by some Frost-loving. So we know it's not going to play out like that, and there are several loose ends still hanging (the big one being: is Sublime the living genome still out there?).

13:46 / 16.07.04

"Jeanix"

That's awesome

13:49 / 16.07.04

Can we presume that if Beast doesn't OD on "Sublime" then he/it won't have a chance of taking over?
And that no other writer will really want to touch that plot with a barge pole (see also the human extinction gene).

14:08 / 16.07.04

Well, did you see anything NEW about this THE END we're supposed to be talking about? This seems to be another LAME retread of all the old standbys, but with no clear resolution. Where in the friggin galaxy is this supposed to be taking place, anyway? Why is Nocturne a "Hound"? It's so thick with fattening and masturbatory clichés i'm sickened. I knew Jean was in the damn eggcoon soon as i saw it.

I had hopes that the editorial office was just trying to flesh out the Morrison stuff, and smoothe out the weirdness with the stability of the current creative teams. X-Corp is now XSE, okay. Magneto secondary mutated, okay... Xorn was copied... okay... unnecessary twists, but okay...

This feels like Attrack of the Clones.

After Invisibles, and now with Promethea's slow drift into the eschaton, I need symbolism and resolution in minuteia with my "endtimes" stories. This is X-Men, not the friggin Shi'Ar space drama.

14:44 / 16.07.04

It is Mr Claremont after all... what were you really expecting?

And it's supposed to be two/three mini/maxi series or something. I'm guessing thats because CC can't finish something without it taking nearly two years to run it's course? Just blow them all up and be done with it. The book's called "The End" for god's sake not "Nearly the End", "A Little Bit Closer To The End" and "Ok, Finally The End".

16:39 / 16.07.04

Jeez, people. Like rawkusboi said, it is Claremont. Further, it's Claremont writing what he probably considers an epochal mythic gotterdamerung of his whole self-important mythos. Of course it's going to feature Shi'ar space opera goofiness, ludicrous amounts of overwritten dialogue, guest appearances by every Claremont-created character you never wanted to see again, and so on. Sure, it's "bad" if you insist on comparing it to Promethea, but that's kind of an exaggerated standard for this kind of thing, isn't it?

Matthew Fluxington

17:06 / 16.07.04

3) Hellfire Club: New York -UXM281

What on earth are you talking about? That's the issue where the Hellions are slaughtered just before Bishop arrives.

I have a suspicion that The End may be the only comic Claremont is writing by himself right now. Excalibur smacks of heavy editorial input, and it seems very obvious that Alan Davis is doing everything short of dialogue on Uncanny (which explains why the past few issues are so dramatically superior to anything else Claremont has done since 1991).

Matthew Fluxington

17:09 / 16.07.04

Sure, it's "bad" if you insist on comparing it to Promethea, but that's kind of an exaggerated standard for this kind of thing, isn't it?

This sentence chills me to the bone.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:11 / 16.07.04

The Hounds were mutants hunters for Senator Kelly's mutant holocaust future from the 'Days of Future Past' future, Rachel Summers had been one before escaping to the past. In a revolutionary move Claremont has changed it so they're mutant hunters for alien bounty hunters.

01:18 / 17.07.04

Promethea doesn't set a high standard for superhero books?

I think it does.

And Jean was brain-dead in the aftermath of #281; can't remember if she and Emma swapped minds or something in the end. Anyway, may have been #282-4ish, but she was declared dead.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:21 / 17.07.04

I read a summary that explained she swapped with emma, or cohabited with emma, or something. She wasn't really dead, I don't think.

Might I also salute as this thread slips slowly beneath the rolling waves of fanbody geekery and snobbery! Well done, chums!

Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name

02:03 / 16.08.04

Comics Continuum has posted the first four pages of X-Men: The End #2. If you want to check it out, go here: link .

I get the feeling that many on the 'lith are unrepentent spoiler whores. Or just wanna be whores

. Nonetheless, I'll put spoiler space in for those who wish to remain unspoiled.

Spoilers

Scott and Emma have bred like rabbits. They have not one, not two, not three, but four kids. They have a daughter, Meg, who appears to be in her very early teens, say around 12 or 13 and is telepathic. They've got a set of twins (gender, age, and names not yet stated in these preview pages). And they've got an infant son named, "Alex."

I'm getting the impression that from the way Scott's eyes are always obscured/cast in shadow that Claremont and co. are suggesting that he no longer has to wear ruby quartz glasses to control his powers.

But what's really of interest is that Scott explicitly states that he chose Emma over Jean. So it appears that Claremont is working with at least one of Morrison's key themes and is not retconning it all away.

06:33 / 16.08.04

What's the deal with Scott hiding his eyes. On the cover he's still wearing his visor, so it's not asif he's lost his eyesight or anything. Maybe he's learnt how to control his blasts and now he walks around with these red flaming eyes...

18:22 / 16.08.04

But what's really of interest is that Scott explicitly states that he chose Emma over Jean. So it appears that Claremont is working with at least one of Morrison's key themes and is not retconning it all away.

Of course, "X-Men: The End" will itself be retconned (preconned?) away before it's even complete, as Jean's return in the upcoming Phoenix miniseries will directly contradict the future status quo with which Claremont begins this series (ie. Jean not having been seen since the end of Morrison's run).

21:45 / 16.08.04

I don't think the The End "Series" were ever canon to begin with. They're basically possible death stories for chracter(s).

21:53 / 16.08.04

the big one being: is Sublime the living genome still out there?

Jean extracted Sublime at the end of HCT. I took that to mean that Sublime no longer exists in the X-Meniverse.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:50 / 17.08.04