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Christian Exodus

 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
00:33 / 14.07.04
And so it begins.

Now we look for ulterior motives!
 
 
lekvar
02:19 / 14.07.04
I enjoy the fact that "The Problem" as this site identifies it is happy people.

Serious response to come, after I've done some more scouting about.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:02 / 14.07.04
The complaint they make about the banning of the display of the 10 commandments, that is the case of it being banned from a courtroom because the ten commandments aren't a part of the legal framework of the country right?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:44 / 14.07.04
No, Lady... you're getting it wrong. It's a myth... a MYTH, dammit, about the separation of church and state. And this means little handicapped girls are no longer allowed to pray at school.
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
12:26 / 14.07.04
Well all the footnotes (Yes, all two of them) seem to come from a single source...

Hmm... that page's headlines are rather frightening.

Well look at it this way; if they manage to move before the november election, they won't be eligible for the SC residency requirements.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
14:00 / 14.07.04
Ah, World Net Daily. So ultra conservative it makes Fox News look like it's run by Michael Moore.
 
 
Thjatsi
17:32 / 15.07.04
This sort of thing is rather common in America. The libertarian version is going for New Hampshire, and can be found here. I also heard that a small group in Texas was trying to secede, which I find ironic, considering how hard they had to work to get accepted into the union.

I wish all of these groups the best of luck. In the rare case that any of these plans succeed, it would be interesting to see various ideologies put to the test of reality. Would these new governments prosper, or would they be reduced to third world nations in less than five years?

I'd also be in favor of seeing a discordian state, and an objectivist state. Preferably adjacent to each other.
 
 
TeN
19:30 / 15.07.04
I say let them secede... that's one less state that'll vote for Bushie-boy. Heck, he'll probably end up moving to SC himself, just like all the liberals move to France.
 
 
grant
19:59 / 15.07.04
I posted a copy of this up at Cross and Flame, and the discussion came around to Texas, Quebec, and not New Hampshire but Vermont (which, like Texas, was once its own country).


What I think is interesting about the Vermont secessionists (and moreso that I know about a similar movement in New Hampshire) is that they're already reaching out to their neighbors. From that "vermontrepublic.com" link:
We also favor negotiations with Maine, New Hampshire and the four Atlantic provinces of Canada possibly to create a New Atlantic Confederacy - a nation about the size of Denmark. We would not rule out similar negotiations with Quebec, as well as membership in the U.N.


I find it interesting that the Vermont gang is swinging left, while most other groups seem like they'd swing right (states' rights being a kind of conservative issue, usually).

I think I feel a blog entry about all these secessionists coming on....
 
 
sleazenation
20:28 / 15.07.04
its all starting to sound like the end of Give Me Liberty...
 
 
Skeleton Camera
20:48 / 15.07.04
And groups of Mainers have talked secession for a while now...in line with New Hampshire and Vermont, apparently.
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
21:48 / 15.07.04
It's rather funny, being as my summer homework was to write a 2-page paper on Civil-War era seccesionism... I can now argue in it that secessionist sentiments are far from gone in America! TAKE THAT, PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM!

I'd also be in favor of seeing a discordian state, and an objectivist state. Preferably adjacent to each other.

The Holy Land of Eris!

Hail!
 
 
grant
16:05 / 27.07.04
I wrote that blog entry: paper sources galore.

I'm really interested in the Hawaiian secessionist movement. The hereditary king of Hawaii is calling for 100% pure-blood Hawaiians of noble descent to come forward and form a new government.
 
 
charrellz
19:31 / 05.08.04
Wow. There is some scary scary things being said in the forum over at christian exodus. take this nugget of wisdom for instance:
"I'm confused--who would ever CHOOSE to be gay?! I mean, who would ever choose to be hated so much by God's people like us? God doesn't MAKE people gay, but he does make people hate broccoli and he does make us attracted to thin women with large breasts, doesn't he? Like being fat--it's a choice. You don't HAVE to be fat, and you don't have to be gay, right? People tell me all the time to quit smoking because it's a vice. But I think God has a plan and that I didn't CHOOSE to like smoking so much--it's just the way God made me. Does anyone else here smoke?"
I'm too confused by this to say anything more.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:29 / 06.08.04
Charellz: any chance the poster is Xian-baiting, or is this level of confusion consistent with their more "productive" posts (if any)? 'Cos there's a certain devil's-advocate beauty to it, really.

Eh, I'll have to go back and read the thread.

My favorite so far is the part (talking about what other religions to allow to stay in SC) where they decide the Buddhists are pretty much harmless since they just sit around and abstain from everything anyway (I'm paraphrasing, but barely). Then there was a dispute about whether or not Mormons ought to be welcomed or "exported" with the pagans and "Voodoo Gurus."

~L
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:40 / 08.08.04
That's precisely the type of thing I would have posted back in my days as Christian baiter xtreme! Nowadays I respect God's people a little more.

I find this a little more frightening- It takes more faith to believe in the myth of Darwinianism than it does to believe in flying fairies. Erm... what??
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:35 / 09.08.04
< rot > I don't have a problem with God's People, it's just some branches of Christianity that wind me up...
 
 
gridley
14:24 / 20.08.04
I dream of the day when space travel and terraforming are commonplace enough that every extremist group can each go off to their own planet and leave the rest of us alone.

But will there be any of us left? I have to admit that if the male-female ratio can be brought to a decent level, I might well travel to Geek World.
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:05 / 21.08.04
Ah, but Geek World would have complementary holodecks for everyone, so problem solved!
 
 
grant
13:40 / 20.12.07
Not that this is a Christian movement, but it *is* a secessionist one:

The Lakota have just withdrawn from the United States.

I'm not sure if this is anything more than symbolic at this point, but it's quite a symbol....
 
 
Axolotl
14:09 / 20.12.07
It's when countries with an anti-US bent start recognising them that it might become interesting, or at least embarrassing for the US. Is this the US version of the current upswing in secessionist movements (see Belgium, Kosovo, Scotland)?
 
 
grant
15:15 / 20.12.07
It's probably important to point out that Russell Means was a key figure in the real events that inspired the fictional movie Thunderheart - he's been looking for ways to get his people out from under American sovereignty for a long while.

He has occupied Alcatraz and Mt. Rushmore, and he's run for office. In 1987, he was beaten by Ron Paul for the Libertarian Party presidential candidacy, and was on a ticket with Larry Flynt for a Republican nomination in 1984.

I think there's a colonial history here that separates this from Belgian politics, and prrrobably from Scottish politics, too.
 
 
grant
14:16 / 21.12.07
A map of the US showing the Lakota Nation.

And here's the Fox News coverage. It's basically the same as the wire story.
 
 
Saturn's nod
15:37 / 21.12.07
I couldn't find any coverage on news.bbc when I looked, yesterday or today. Is that normal?
 
 
Chiropteran
16:42 / 21.12.07
The movement's official site is at www.lakotafreedom.com.

On their "About" page they say explicitly that they do not represent the BIA/IRA governments "beholden to the colonial apartheid system, or those 'stay by the fort' Indians who are unwilling claim their freedom." I'm curious how much popular support they have among the Lakota, and how their "revolutionary government" status will affect their diplomatic efforts (all other complications aside).
 
 
Chiropteran
17:21 / 21.12.07
I couldn't find any coverage on news.bbc when I looked, yesterday or today. Is that normal?

Nor on MSNBC or CNN.com. I wrote to ask them why.
 
  
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