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iamus
12:15 / 06.10.04
Thanks for your suggestions. I've downloaded cocktail last night, I'll install it today and see.

The jpeg does this even when the only application that's open is the finder. Also, it's been like that for a while, regardless of how many times I restart. Command-i'ing tells me that it's being opened by the finder, it doesn't have a creation date either. I don't expect there to be a problem if I delete it or change the application which opens it, but still, I'm wary.
Do you think I should just go for it?
 
 
netbanshee
12:57 / 06.10.04
I wouldn't worry too much about the file, just delete it with Cocktail. I've never really seen OSX generate anything important on the desktop beyond any files that I would have created for a project. System resources, etc. are put in the right places by the OS. I have had a few "stuck" files in my experience and have used the aforementioned method to rid my system of them.
 
 
iamus
00:35 / 28.10.04
OK, I have a really old scanner (An UMAX Astra 2000U) that I had for my old iMac (As mentioned above, I now have a G4 iBook). I've recently gotten Photoshop and want to scan. Part of the appeal of OSX is the no drivers thing but I don't think that the scanner's getting recognised.

The UMAX website won't give me drivers 'cause it says this model isn't supported under OSX. Can anyone think of any way to get it working? Should the scanner be being recognised by X and I've just not configured my apps properly? Or is it a lost cause?
 
 
lekvar
02:15 / 28.10.04
I'm having this exact same problem, with the same manufacturer. All praise to the enllightened Umax for discontinuing driver support for both X and XP and offering to sell us a third-party app for only $49.99! I've tried to get the old wizard to work under Classic-no dice. Tried to configure iPhoto to recognize the scanner-not happening. Image Capture? No. Twain support using the old plugins? Hardly. GraphicConverter? Yeah right.

If I were the smart sort, I could probably recommend some arcane command-line thingamabob, but I'm not.

I'm gonna try PhotoShop's built-in twain support next. If that don't work I'm just gonna buy a new scanner. There's no way I'm gonna give Umax $50 when I can get a brand new scanner for $100.
 
 
netbanshee
23:52 / 28.10.04
Basically, if you can't boot into OS9 (pre-late model Powerbooks, G4s and before) or get the plug-in to work in Classic, there's probably not much you can do. I will keep an eye out for anything interesting, but scanner drivers were specifically a big problem to get for OSX due to general laziness on the part of peripheral manufacturers. I'd recommend some googling and hitting places like Versiontracker and maybe a comment post at AppleInsider before giving up all hope.

If you're forced to grab a new scanner, try to donate your old one to a school or similar place of need...
 
 
grant
20:36 / 14.04.05
Why should I buy Tiger?

Why not?
 
 
w1rebaby
22:10 / 14.04.05
because I'm buying it

and Steve wants you to buy it

it looks like it has some cool shit but basically, you know that within six months no new software will be compatible with 10.3 any more, so it's worth doing

besides, upgrading their OS is the only time a lot of people ever back up anyway
 
 
sleazenation
22:25 / 14.04.05
On the minus side if you don't really buy much new software and just use your mac for websurfing or work then you probably don't *need* it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:31 / 14.04.05
I've got Jaguar running on my single processor 36gig G4 lately it's begun freexing up and even crashing asking me to restart the computer.
Just picked up an 160G external upon which I've backed up my whole harddrive. Figure I'll pick up TIGER reformat my harddrive and then install Tiger. Beyond that, is there anything I should do to minimise these crashes 'till TIGER comes a'prowling?
 
 
netbanshee
23:40 / 14.04.05
I'm sure someone posted it before in the thread, so look for a link to Cocktail for Mac OS X and run that. If you go to the pilot mode in the app, run that and restart. Doing that should fix most of the problems in your system. Basically, it will clear your user cache and logs, repair your disk permissions, run some hd scripts (cron scripts) and do a bit of prebinding. If it goes beyond that, come back here and describe your problems and set-up further. Also, to follow up, run everything beyond the log and cache clears every time you do a software update. It'll settle things into place.

In terms of Tiger, it's the single biggest update to the OS since Mac OS X was released. Jaguar and Panther were both essentially updates to X in comparison. The framework and programmer's access to new API's will enhance any new apps to follow. Things like Core Image, Audio, Video and Data will take advantage of the hardware you have to make things snappier and more integrated with the system (that is if you have a somewhat recent system... though the code will run on older systems fine). Also features like Spotlight, Automator and Dashboard are cool and will help with productivity. Go to Apple's site to read up on this stuff if you're interested.

Personally, I'm gonna wait it out a little to see how most people do on it when it comes out. Maybe till the first maintenance update (which has been in development since Tiger went Golden Master... so fairly soon). Then it's backing up the system to an external hd and wiping things clean. If you're truly serious about an update, you should start clean instead of upgrading. Nothing funny sticks around then.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
00:48 / 15.04.05
Holy Jesus my thread is still ALIVE!

I am so psyched about Tiger, but I fear this may be my last Mac... Apple has been big time creepy these days with their obsession with the iPod and the whole lawsuit thing. I'm gonna enter the scary world of build-your-own-box (!)
 
 
Tom Coates
07:36 / 15.04.05
Cal's behind the scenes work on Barbelith was done on a PC I think, but all the shiny pretty stuff is a product of my Mac. I've been using macs now for about five years and can't stand moving to PCs.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:15 / 15.04.05
I've been looking to replace my laptop for a while now - am holding out for the end of April to avoid the hassle of installing a new OS. The plan is to get a 12" iBook for portability, and bump up the RAM to 512MB and the HDD to 60GB...
 
 
Grey Cell
19:13 / 20.04.05
To the people who are having trouble with old scanners:

this may be a little late, but try VueScan before you throw away your scanner, there's a good chance you'll get it to work.
 
 
lekvar
19:34 / 20.04.05
Has anybody heard any reviews of the new flatpanel iMacs? I'm looking to get a new Mac when my tax returns come in. I've run across one blogger who's taken it upon himself to bitch incessantly about his iMac, but I have no idea if it's just him or if there's a thousand others out there with the same complaints.
 
 
w1rebaby
21:19 / 20.04.05
I don't like the look of them myself. It doesn't really come down to anything more complex than that.

I've not heard people complaining in mac communities, though.
 
 
lekvar
21:45 / 20.04.05
I think they are teh sexxor. My mom got one, hasn't had any complaints, but then she has me to give her tech support.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
07:21 / 21.04.05
Work Mac: Dual 2GHz G5, 1.5GB RAM, 150GB HDx2, Panther. Contented sigh...

Just wanted to wax lyrical about Folder Spy, a neat bit of OSX shareware that monitors changes to remote folders and can be configged to alert you when the contents are changed or modified. I've been hassling our PC support people for ages about getting something that will monitor my public drop folders on our server and send me a flag about new files appearing in my work folders - and folder spy does this very well. If I hadn't spent far too much money on a custom-built PC recently, I'd be seriously considering a G5 for home. As it is, I keep eyeing the Mini-Macs speculatively...
 
 
netbanshee
23:29 / 21.04.05
Haus, following from your comment above, I'd suggest waiting a little longer if you can. Apparently, all systems (not sure if they are "new" ones or not) are to ship with 512mb of RAM standard and you'll then be able to get your hands on Tiger and RAM as well as the chance of an updated iBook.

Apple is set, by WWDC (sometime towards the end of June, I believe), to update their iMacs, eMacs, Powermacs and maybe even Mac Minis. It's around that time in the product cycle so keep an eye out.

I heart my dual 2ghz G5 w/ 2gb, 160gb, AE, BT, and 9800Pro 128mb. There's nothing like going into work and having a machine that tosses the ball back to you. And dual screens... by god, nothing can make you more productive (well maybe three) than a 22" and 19".

Speaking of using more screens, a bit of googling can find you a screen span hack that works on iBooks and iMacs. Hook up another monitor after you run the script and you have more desktop space to use.
 
 
grant
19:23 / 03.05.05
Why ain't my OS X tiger upgrade disk doing it's job properly? Am I going to have to spring for an external hard drive, back everything up, then wipe the disk to redo the installation?
 
 
w1rebaby
19:44 / 03.05.05
You may have to be a leetle more specific there.
 
 
grant
20:04 / 03.05.05
But...but... Mac users have the UNLIMITED BRANE POWERS OF THE G4 PROCESSOR!

Basically, what's happening is I'm running the installer, it's telling me it's unable to complete, and the help menus say I could maybe try doing a "Custom" upgrade, which involves reformatting the hard drive.

I'd like to avoid getting an external HD if I can, just because of the $$, and I don't want to lose the data already on the drive just to upgrade the OS. I don't really know more than that... at least not without the machine right in front of me (it's at home, I'm at work).

I'm wondering how typical this is for the upgrade process, and whether there are any common problems I could be tripping over.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:12 / 03.05.05
You really should be backing your stuff up *somehow* you know. wags finger

Uh, that's not really something I've come across. What are you upgrading from? If it's pre 10.2 I think you can't upgrade, there's something about that in the manual. If not, what is the exact error message?
 
 
grant
20:41 / 03.05.05
It's Jaguar (the most recent one). I can't recall the exact error message -- it's something like "Software problem: installation failed."

I hear from a non-Barbelith source that this happened a bit with the last upgrade -- it only wanted to go onto a formatted disk. So I may have to shell out for the external drive and start backing up like a grownup.
Hmph.
 
 
sleazenation
20:46 / 03.05.05
well, it you have an ipod you can use that as your external hard drive AND use it ... um as an iPod - fun And practical...
 
 
netbanshee
02:51 / 04.05.05
I haven't heard of anyone as of yet upgrading from 10.2 instead of 10.3. I don't think that it would be possible to do more than a clean install on top of a system prior to panther. There is an archive and install function that only backs up your important documents, etc. but then again, you'll be needing some storage for that (a cd or two should handle it fine).

I also side with fridge on this one big guy... you should have some sort of backup solution if you don't regularly use at least burned media.

I'm running Tiger right now (great btw) and I decided to take a further route for the installation. I cloned my internal drive with the current system on it to my external, wiped the internal and installed a fresh copy of Tiger, and used the Migration Assistant (at the end of install) to move all of my settings, apps and files over to the new system from the external. All you need is Carbon Copy Cloner to do it. Granted, it's not the easiest way to go, but you have routine that protects all of your data (which you can boot into if the Tiger install fails) and you avoid having to reinstall every app if you make any other choice.

One thing we do at work to help installs, is to create a perfect system setup and (using CCC again) make a disc image of it. That way, every time we need a machine swapped or a new one in, we just use the backup to install and save the hours of hassle of going through each app. I recommend it highly.

Also... no new updated iBooks and Powerbooks yet, but new iMacs and eMacs came out today. All are Core compliant, have some bumps (Processor speed, RAM up to 512mb, and GPU updates), and ship with Tiger. I think that the rest of the systems are to follow shortly.
 
 
The Strobe
10:47 / 04.05.05
I upgraded (well, Archive and Install) on top of 10.2.8.

Bar some teething troubles with Wireless (which other people have reported who came from Panther), it's fine. Very fine. Even if Spotlight makes my Powerbook heat up like nobody's business and the FAN OF DEATH kicks in.
 
 
grant
17:43 / 04.05.05
Panther -- I lied, I have Panther.

OK, I'll be bouncing some checks now because I bought a cute little 60 gig external drive last night.

I've been tucking files away on it -- three users + 1 admin on the powerbook, copied everything all at once from Macintosh HD to the external drive, and then went back in and transferred each "user" file into it by logging into each account and moving it over (because they didn't seem to copy correctly when I did that from the admin account - only prompted for psswd on some files within the other "user" files, and other files didn't copy at all).

So anyway, I think I've got everything.

Have I? Is there some easier way to do a backup than what I've done?
 
 
netbanshee
13:03 / 05.05.05
Look at my pervious post up there, grant. Use Carbon Copy Cloner and the method I talked about to get it done super tight.
 
 
ShadowSax
14:15 / 05.05.05
i have a too good for me g5 1.8GHz dual processor with a purely kickass widescreen flatscreen monitor at work. i dont even know what it is, dimension-wise, but it's huge and so clear it makes my heart skip a beat.

quicksilver, as already mentioned, is bliss.

i wouldnt recommend upgrading to tiger until at least an update or two. it has some cool stuff, but konfabulator already has (better-behaving) widgets, quicksilver provides a great keystroke-access app, and, plus, i hear the new finder windows suck.

it took me a while to get used to osx at all, but now i love it. it's so damn pretty i forget i'm at work. sometimes.
 
 
grant
15:49 / 05.05.05
Look at my pervious post up there, grant.

I'm a very special boy sometimes.
 
 
grant
15:16 / 07.05.05
OK, let's say, just hypothetically, that I ran the CCC and copied the good stuff onto the external drive, then, late last night, ran the install disk to upgrade to Tiger, with the "erase disk" setting in place to format the poor little Mac HD. And, just as a mental exercise, let's say it appeared to work, and during the install process, it asked if I wanted to import my old settings from another computer, and I said, fine, fine, use the external drive, and it did, and everything seemed fine.
(For the sake of argument, let's say that when it told me to disconnect the firewire after the transfer was done, I did, but then it told me that I should have ejected the disk and may have caused some damage by not doing that.)
And then, in the wee hours of the morning, the desktop turned up, I could change the wallpaper, I could check the Airport settings... but none of the icons seemed to work. They wouldn't click.
And then I decided, oh, if I restarted now, maybe that'd work everything out, so I did.
And now, it'll only boot off the install disk--and won't recognize the hard drive at all. It's not on the basic "install onto" menu, and if I go to "Disk Utilities" it's (purely hypothetically) all in red type and tells me to replace that disc with one that works because it's having a S.M.A.R.T. failure.
I can navigate around the external backup hd, but I can't boot off it (maybe I configured it wrong while doing the CCC, or maybe it's because I didn't eject it right that once). And the system won't recognize its own hard drive to format it or copy the backup files onto it.

So, right now, let's just say that I'm running the battery down and seeing if a cold boot helps make the hard drive appear and be installable to.

If this doesn't do the trick, then what, hypothetically, should I do?
 
 
grant
17:59 / 07.05.05
Speaking again very hypothetically, I might suggest that perhaps the hypothetical eventuality of the cold boot not working should be the course of theorizing from now on....
 
 
netbanshee
16:21 / 08.05.05
hmmm... a very hypothetical situation I must say. Shit man.

Well... I'm not sure if you configured the CCC clone to be a boot disk. It might not want to do boot off of it otherwise. And the SMART status is failing on the internal? Ok.

The Migration Assistant dialog seemed a bit confusing when it spoke about using a volume or transferring from a different computer. I didn't unplug the drive since you shouldn't after the activity you were doing (I know, it said to). It ran without much of a hitch for me otherwise.

I would first run cocktail on both drives if you can. Then (if you haven't changed the contents on the external) I would reformat the internal from the Tiger disk and make a clean installation. Let it go through the whole process again and have the assistant do its transfer. It will restart (or should, I think). Then run cocktail afterwards and reboot a second time.

I think that a reinstall might get the internal to behave properly. If you can run off this disk at that point, you'll be clear. SMART status is, from what I understand, usually a hardware thing. I doubt it would have manifested during a system install which is just software. I think you can revive the disk by setting it clean again. After all this, if it appears stable over some time, I'd then start arranging your backup and internal files as you'd like. PM me if things don't change...
 
 
grant
14:37 / 09.05.05

eh -- I have caved to domestic pressure and carried the poor soldier into the Apple store, and they are sending it away to fairyland for MacTinkerbell to make it whole once again. I believe in fairies!

The guy at the store seemed to believe there was some kind of pre-existent hard drive problem that the install simply uncovered. I dunno about that.
 
  

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