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40%
00:27 / 27.06.04
I've had this issue for a while now. I'm okay at talking to people in most situations, but I have difficulty with clubs or pubs with loud music/crowd noise. I find it hard to talk to people in these environments. I have difficulty in tuning out the background noise and focusing on what the person is saying. It's like the noise confuses my brain and causes me difficulty in interpreting information.

Sometimes I've been in clubs and people have tried to talk to me, and I've asked them to repeat themselves, and after a couple more times of repeating, I can only shrug, and naturally they walk away. I really hate this, cos I want to talk to that person generally, but it just doesn't seem to work in that context.

I've found this even in pubs where the music is loud. My mind just gets very distracted, and it's as if people have to snap me out of it by saying something loud and clear.

So, the usual questions here. Does anyone else have this issue? If so, what have they done about it? And can anyone offer possible explanations for having difficulty coping with loud noise?

[btw I'm quite comfortable in a gig situation where there is little or no expectation of social interaction. It's not the noise itself that bothers me, but the expectation of being able to listen and communicate at the same time]
 
 
the cat's iao
00:48 / 27.06.04
Are you merely getting older?

"Eh, speak up sonny..."

Nah, kidding. I don't have much to offer except my sympathies. I too find it hard to hear people in clubs. I tend to feel that music is often played a little too loud for carrying on conversation--kinda' defeats the purpose of going out to a club to socialize, doesn't it? I mean, you pretty much got to get right in there and shout in a person's ear, and then have him or her shout back in yers. Fun times.

Shrug. Quit going to clubs and go to libraries?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:55 / 27.06.04
Thank fuck. I thought it was just me. It's something I've noticed myself becoming more prone to over the last few years. I can hear doors closing half a street away if it's quiet around me, but if there are other people talking in the room, I can't make out what the person sitting next to me is saying. There doesn't have to be a particularly high volume of noise for it to become difficult, either. Traffic noise also fucks with my ability to make out specific voices.

And yeah, it really does feel like your head's getting confused through too much information flooding in - you have to stop, concentrate fully, make sure you're facing the person talking and watching their mouth move. And then, when you still can't quite make it out, the frustration kicks in.

Haven't got any useful suggestions, I'm afraid. A friend was born completely deaf in one ear and, as a result, everybody around here is used to having to repeat themeselves a couple of times, so one more cloth-eared frunt doesn't make much difference to them. I sympathise, though - I always worry that it makes people think I'm just being an ignorant sod and not paying attention to them.
 
 
40%
07:54 / 27.06.04
I always worry that it makes people think I'm just being an ignorant sod and not paying attention to them.

Yes, exactly that.
 
 
rizla mission
11:52 / 27.06.04
This afflicts everybody in a gig/club environment surely? It's not just you.

Attempting anything more than a caveman level conversation under such circumstances is always a difficult undertaking.

So if actual meaningful social interaction is yr. concern, best suggest going somewhere else.

Otherwise, a loud and clear "SORRY, CAN'T HEAR YOU PROPERLY, IT'S TOO LOUD" and a smile/shrug should usually do the trick.

Sorry for stating the obvious.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
12:34 / 27.06.04
I have terrible hearing in most situations and really cannot cope with background noise. As a hairdresser I am constantly around loud blow dryers and hence have learned to lip read, backwards in mirrors. This helps a lot with actually comprehending what is being said to me. Another trick I have learned is using earplugs in gig/club situations. Tried it once when seeing a band the night before a morning I knew I was going to have to be able to hear and voila! Not only did I save myself from the morning after tenitis, but I found I could hear better what others were saying to me at the gig.

Now if I could only learn to care what those others were saying...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:10 / 27.06.04
I don't know about 7 beats, Riz, but for me it's not limited to those situations where there's a loud volume of noise. It's more that sounds tend to blend into one another when there's any kind of density of background noise. If there's a constant burble of sound, it doesn't make much difference how loud it is, I'll have trouble picking out the bits I want regardless.
 
 
Grey Area
15:36 / 27.06.04
Density of noise is a good way of expressing it...when there's not too much background noise I hear fine. Put me in a pub or club, or even a busy airline terminal with hundreds of people milling about and berating airline staff, and I'm going to miss one word in three.
 
 
pomegranate
15:53 / 27.06.04
it does happen as people get older; it's not so much that they're going deaf as it's almost like the brain itself is wearing out. people can *hear*, it's not that they are hard of hearing, but hard of understanding. it's unfortunate, cos there's not much you can do; hearing aids don't work cos the volume is not the problem. i have read about this and it has happened to the father of a friend of mine. i think the earplug idea is a good one--the less sound yr brain has to deal w/, the easier it is to focus on what's being said.
 
 
40%
16:38 / 27.06.04
I think we're two peas in a pod, actually. In a club situation, I think it is the sheer volume that I have difficulty with, which as Rizla says is true for most people. However, in that situation, you can generally only hear two sounds, the sound of the music, and the sound of the person talking, so it's not difficult to pick one out from the other, it's just the volume that makes it hard to either hear, or give it due attention, due to its comparatively small impact on your ears.

But in a pub situation with music and crowd noise, there's loads of separate noises competing for your attention, and it's harder to shut out all except the one you want to hear. So there's quality and quantity issues involved I think.

I've read that women find it easier to multi-task with hearing, to watch TV, talk on the phone and talk to someone in the room all at once, for example. I know talking about inherent gender differences is controversial round these here parts, but I do get the impression women find this easier. Hence why I feel quite inept when dealing with women in these situations, because they seem to be far better at it. And when you're in a club and looking to make a good impression on a nice curvy female, it's a bugger to have that to contend with...
 
 
40%
16:40 / 27.06.04
I think we're two peas in a pod, actually

(Referring to Randy of course, jeez you guys are quick!)
 
 
odd jest on horn
23:03 / 27.06.04
Randy and 7 beats: I too have this exact problem. People are having conversations all around me but I don't hear anything, due to distracting background, esp. clubs, but I'm prolly more prone to this than most.

My hearing has been tested. It's fine. It has more to do with malfunctioning brain filters or something. I've taken the Autism Quotient test online, and got scores that inticated that I functioned much like an individual with mild Asperger Syndrome. I think these things are related. People with perfume can drive me crazy when I can't leave the premises. And I frequently unplug the TV to get rid of sounds nobody hears until I mimic them for them. They have blocked them effectively, I can't. The strange part is that I can and often do shut things completely out when I'm programming or reading.

Clubs. Lip reading works for me, I've been practicing. The visual cue seems to help me focus. Usually when I would go to clubs I would just dance, but I also want to have the option to sit down and chat.

Don't know if there are other options. It sometimes help if I'm either high or drunk. Sometimes it has the exact opposite effect, high seems to be more often effective though.
 
 
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08:25 / 28.06.04
Yup. I can't hear a thing in most pubs unless I can watch people's lips. I long ago resigned myself to not listening to anyone more than two feet away, and often miss the start of conversations.
This is annoying as I have excellent hearing at other times. It could be a lack of focus, but my doctor once told me I have extremely narrow ear canals so that sound isn't channeled down them easily. One trick that looks odd but does work (promise) is the simple old one of cupping your hand behind your ear in the direction of the person talking.

An ex-girlfriend once misinterpreted what I told her about being unable to hear in these situations, and all my friends talked only into one ear for about four years, as she had told them all I was deaf in the other... and no-one told me!
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:00 / 28.06.04
Not all women are better at aural multi-tasking - I am rubbish at it, and cannot even read with music on in the background as it is too distracting.

Re: pubs etc. - it's not that I can't hear people, but I am very easily distracted by conversations going on around me, and suspect I offend people by trailing off mid-sentence, starting to listen to the person holding forth at the other end of the table, etc. etc. Apologies to anyone who has suffered as a result of this recently...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
11:13 / 28.06.04
I can't hear a damn thing in a busy pub or club and, while my great age might be a factor, it has always been thus. I guess I had made all the adjustments I can in that I usually only attempt conversation now when I know there's some prospect of me hearing most or all of what someone says.

Means I just stand about smiling and looking mysertious a lot of the time. Embarrassing when Ganesh introduces me to people with whom he has been happily chatting and the new people must just think his partner is dull or standoffish or a bit slow. I have some friends with very loud voices, that definitely helps!

There are bars I like precisely because conversation is possible, even if they don't have a lot of other stuff to recommend them. There are others I like but I could be there all night and not utter a word, but the music and the eye candy are worth it.

When I'm with just one maybe two others, it's not usually too bad. I can rely on filling in the bits I miss or I can rely on my familiarity with the individual to allow me to focus in well on that voice or to interpolate intelligently.

Been at several barbemeets for instance where I was probably thinking I was communicating with innocent bysitters but we were having two entirely separate conversations. Being drunk helps in that you could give a fuck and enjoy yourself anyway but probably makes the likelihood of miscommunication all the greater.

Glad it's not just me though. I thought my hearing was deficient but doesn't seem to be. Advantage is I'm good at selectively screening stuff out that might otherwise really piss me off.
 
 
bitchiekittie
12:20 / 28.06.04
I find I just can't be bothered to try to decipher what people are saying in clubs. I don't go to clubs to meet new people - it's just not very conducive to good conversation, and I think it's just damned silly to even try, and I get terribly annoyed with people who keep shouting at me when I clearly cannot possibly understand them and do not want to be bothered. I go with people I already know and allow a complex series of facial expressions and hand gestures suffice, and hope that strangers who wish to be met will wait for a more opportune moment (like outside the club!).

I was at a club this weekend that had little cards with lines for your name, number, and email address in a box with a bunch of those stubby little pencils. they're probably everywhere and I just never noticed, but brilliant!
 
 
alas
14:53 / 28.06.04
My prob is that I tend to lose my voice, completely, the next day from trying to talk over the noise. Hearing seems to be okay, even at my advanced age . . .
 
 
40%
16:11 / 28.06.04
the music and the eye candy are worth it.

Music, yes. Sometimes. But if I wanted to merely look at attractive people, I could just stay at home and watch porn. If you can't interact in clubs, then what's the point? I can listen to CDs at home for that matter, almost as loud. And they'd generally be better.
 
 
Spaniel
08:53 / 29.06.04
If you can't interact in clubs, then what's the point?

Getting fucked on drugs and dancing all night, perhaps?

In my day, at least.
 
 
odd jest on horn
13:55 / 29.06.04
If you can't interact in clubs, then what's the point?

Not being able to have a conversation in a club, doesn't preclude interaction. And it's usually possible to find a quiet spot somewhere.. outside if need be.
 
 
Bed Head
21:28 / 29.06.04
when you're in a club and looking to make a good impression on a nice curvy female

See, I’d respectfully suggest that all this fancy-shmancy ‘multi-tasking’-stuff is so, so wrong for this. Single-minded focus, that’s the ticket. For which, lip-reading is just perfect, Odd Jest is completely right. You should just treat these frightfully noisy venues full of young people as being very good places for you to develop those lip-reading skills, successful lip-reading requires an intense gaze. And er, chicks dig that, apparently. And the fact that you can’t make yourself heard will actually save you from ever saying anything stupid/talking too much, which is a Pitfall, it says here. Just practice your ultra-intense "I’m listening and you’re fascinating" gaze, and you’ll be completely irresistible, man.


Or, carry around a little blackboard and some chalk. That might work better if you’re lacking in the intense gaze department, for whatever reason: tiredness, drink, lazy eye, whatever.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:54 / 29.06.04
You, chalking on board: H-e-l-l-o, f-a-n-c-y m-e-e-t-i-n-g y-o-u i-n a p-l-a-c-e l-i-k-e t-h-i-s.

Chick, shouting in your ear: Can I borrow your chalk?

You, chalking on board: P-a-r-d-o-n-?

Chick, shouting in your ear: CAN I BORROW YOUR CHALK?

You, chalking on board: P-a-r-d-o-n-? A-g-a-i-n-?

Chick, shouting in your ear: FUCK IT.
[Walks away muttering: This board chalking person is a madman and obviously deaf.]
 
 
Bed Head
23:04 / 29.06.04
Hm, I see your point. Perhaps the blackboard thing only really works its devastating sex-magick when used in conjunction with a jacket with patches on the elbows. And a good maths lesson, swoon.
 
 
Olulabelle
23:06 / 29.06.04
I believe you might be implying that Steven Hawking is sexy.

I believe this, but I feel sure I must be wrong. Please set my mind at ease.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
06:49 / 30.06.04
an intense gaze. And er, chicks dig that, apparently

It's a fine line between an intense gaze and a really creepy stare, though...

7 beats, kind of on the multi-tasking theme- do you think it could be stress related? As I had something very similar which started before my exams this year. It was only a couple of weeks after them that I realised I was no longer saying 'pardon?' (or, if left unchecked, 'what?') every five minutes or so in every conversation. I think that my interior fret monologue was drowning out what people were saying... basically, I couldn't worry and listen at the same time.
 
 
William Sack
10:00 / 30.06.04
But if I wanted to merely look at attractive people, I could just stay at home and watch porn. If you can't interact in clubs, then what's the point? I can listen to CDs at home for that matter, almost as loud. And they'd generally be better.

And staying at home watching porn and listening to music is much cheaper as well 7 Beats. With the money you save you can treat yourself to a couple of comics and really make a night of it.
 
 
Linus Dunce
11:07 / 30.06.04
Clubs are frequented by youong, attractive people because young, attractive people have minimal conversation skills and need a place that complements their other attributes.

Once they get a few wrinkles they learn to be interesting so it all works out in the end.

Your hearing though is unlikely to mature. As a cloth-eared twat myself I urge you to get a hearing test. Your problem may be more fundamental and easy to fix than you think.
 
 
40%
13:02 / 30.06.04
Bedhead - I think you're spot on there. Thanks.
 
 
■
16:22 / 30.06.04
Oh, god yes. If your ears need syringing don't panic. It's kinda tickly and warm (they scoosh warm water in there slowly to melt the wax out). Nothing to do with hypodermics. You'll be amazed at how much more you can hear.
 
 
imaginary mice
16:47 / 30.06.04
Once they get a few wrinkles they learn to be interesting so it all works out in the end.

Hooray, I'm 26 so not long to go now... I'm going to be interesting soon! I'm going to be interesting soon! Wahey!
 
 
Spaniel
10:27 / 01.07.04
I have to say, Linus, I find your post not only condescending but also spectacularly ignorant.

Either that or you're being willfully disingenous.

I'm 28 by-the-way.
 
 
_Boboss
10:56 / 01.07.04
wilfully what?
 
 
Spaniel
11:06 / 01.07.04
Don'tcha just love pissing around at work.

Course, I get paid more.

Seriously, Gambit, I find this thread pretty baffling.
 
 
_Boboss
12:06 / 01.07.04
Course, I get paid more.

ooh, meow.

very low, given your need the other day and my assistance, but i'll slide it.

this thread wasn't too bad until you and me got involved, but a bit of a mystery - i thought all club-communication was best done with the crutch. not a place to go for deep and meaningfuls, folk not being able to hear the latenight spoutings is a blessing i always thought:

'you're a cunt'
'what?'
'nothing'
 
 
Spaniel
12:14 / 01.07.04
Yes, sorry about the money jibe. I'm just over excited at my new found wealth.

On topic:

What I mean is, there seems to be little in the way of standing up for clubbing and club culture. A whole buncha people on this thread seem like they've never enjoyed a good dance up in their entire lives.

My first post wasn't supposed to be facetious.
 
  

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