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Conscious Belief/Desire Versus Unconscious Belief/Desire

Our Lady Has Left the Building

10:26 / 25.06.04

OK, I'm not a practitioner of any system, but floating round in the Bush related topics has been this thing that there's a lot of people who want/are wishing for Bush to get elected come November. So they have a conscious desire for this. Yet my understanding (admittedly based almost entirely on GM's Pop Magic columns) is that for sigil magic to work it must be placed in the unconscious. So is unconscious desire better than conscious? Is it the case that one masterbating wizard will do better telling people to vote Kerry than two Christians saying vote Bush

Does it really not matter at all at the end of the day?

11:57 / 25.06.04

How I understand it is this......Sigils work if you put the intent out of your mind. Forgetting them helps but distracting yourself is just as effective if what I have read is right. So you do the work and then when the idea pops back in your head, dive into some other work that distracts you or takes your attention

Some people believe that magick is happening all the time and we are making our reality as we go on. Therefore unconscious or buried beliefs are affecting us daily

It is WHEN we become conscious of our magickal abilities and consciously direct our will towards magickal ends that the fun starts. You are using your will to direct events around you....which is different than bobbing about like a bouy on the ocean

Now some magickal work can be sabotaged by your unconscious beliefs. You might wish for something and that wish might get sidelined as a deeper part of your brain might veto the manifestation of what you CONSCIOUSLY desire

it might be that your deep recesses don't believe you deserve or are ready for it.....or the Universe (whatever you believe in) might decide you don't need this 'thing'

Money is a good example.....many people wish for money but they fear not getting money or they feel they don't deserve it and as such they sabotage the magickal work on some level (that coupled with the Universe must have a hell of a time with millions of people all wishing for the same thing)

So to get back to Bush..........a GOOD MAGICIAN might be worth a thousand praying Christians in AFFECT

WHEREAS a thousand wannabe's aimlessly wanking might not have the power of a spiritually filled Christian directing their welled up energy

that's how I see it anyway

14:02 / 25.06.04

Well, both are strong, and each is good at different things. The way I had the power of the un/sub/-conscious explained to me is that the conscious mind can only track 7 or so (plus or minus a couple of) things at once, and the subconscious "pays attention" to everything else. So the idea behind sigil magick is to get out of your own way, let the subconscious deal with making it happen.

You can, of course, let the subconscious take care of things without a sigil, and a lot of people let their subconscious minds take care of damn near everything... Very dangerous, as the subconscious doesn't have analytical skills (and why I put "pays attention" above in quotes). The subconscious is susceptible to reprogramming by a variety of outside sources not limited to commercials and political propaganda.

16:27 / 25.06.04

I like the "get out of your own way" idea.

Once your subconscious (or deep mind, as Jan Fries calls it) has received what you wanted to tell it, relax. Trying too hard not to think about your sigil can be more anxiety provoking than copying the sigil EVERYWHERE until you can actually become indifferent to it.

OK that sounds easy, but here's a problem, specifically regarding the Bush/Kerry sigil:

I know that I will not be able to avoid images of and news about the presidential candidates after July 4th, nor will I be able to avoid becoming upset over the latest outrage committed by the present administration (there seems to be about one per week). To be honest, it will be challenging to not lust after results Big Time!

Does hoping fervently that Bush is booted out before he accidentally destroys the world count as lust of result, or will the deep mind ignore it all and concentrate on what the sigil told it?

01:50 / 26.06.04

Haven't the foggiest.

The way I'm handling it for myself is to use the day-to-day tides of disgust and rage and frustration to fuel what could be called "real world" action - writing letters against this or that abomination, donating money/time, checking the MoveOn site for things that need to be done, etc... This sort of action leads (for me, anyway) to a sort of peace/closure - "I've done what I can, time to let it go..." - that allows a relatively quiet mind for magickal concentration.