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Cheap Ballards

 
 
_Boboss
11:17 / 23.06.04
That's it really. thought a couple folk might want to know.

I need to read a Ballard about once a year and it's getting near that time again, so I was quite chuffed. Not a top-notch edition or anything, but if you liked Cocaine Nights then this one seems to be describing the elephant from a different side. and some of the most impressive prose you're likely to read from a living british author. what's his new one about the terrorists called again?
 
 
sleazenation
12:44 / 23.06.04
But is the benefit of getting a cheap ballard worth the soul-sucking badness of giving more money to the many-tentacled beast that is Rupert Murdock and his empire...?
 
 
_Boboss
13:02 / 23.06.04
the benefit to me is quite significant, to him and his utterly negligible.
 
 
ephemerat
14:58 / 23.06.04
I highly recommend Super-Cannes, it's much better than Cocaine Nights, which I loved (although if you've read Cocaine Nights you may guess a lot of the underpinning theory motivating it). It's a nasty little book about the rise of corporate enclaves and an elite superclass; lots of filthy little perversions, drug-taking, violence and general psychological and moral decline. For 99p you'd be mad to miss it - unless of course you can find it from a charity shop for an equivalent or slightly higher price thus absolving your conscience of any dastardly Murdoch-ian associations.
 
 
Jack_Rackem
17:50 / 24.06.04
I liked it quite a bit even though the only Ballard novels I've read are Day of Creation and Crash. Shame I can't get his newest book in the states.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:08 / 27.06.04
Yeah, Super-Cannes and Cocaine Nights are definitely a matching pair... though I think Super-Cannes has a slight edge. Either way, it's a fucking great book.
 
 
_Boboss
08:14 / 28.06.04
yep jus finished it on the train this mornn. a bit more thoroughly fleshed that cocaine nights, and leaving me eager to read the next one, millenium people is it? the end was chilling, having been successfully disguised after its appearance as the 'that's what'll happen' bits ealier in the book. tempted to read more ballard til i turn into a car wreck, really want to get my hands on the annotated artrocity exhibition, but with he it's best no to do too much in a run and piss yourself off with the style.
 
 
Ganesh
00:36 / 08.07.04
Around two-thirds of the way through Millennium People. Xoc says he finds Ballard almost unreadable and, although I don't have quite the same level of difficulty, I can sort of see what he means. The characters aren't especially empathic - they're almost ciphers - and it's more social commentary than anything else, without a great deal of narrative zing to carry one along.

It's alriiight, I guess, but I seem to remember being more impressed as a 14-year-old, reading his flooded-giant-iguanas stuff.
 
 
Saveloy
11:04 / 04.08.04
Just finished Millenium People, got mixed feelings about it. I loved the premise (middle class revolt - reminded me of the Leaptopia wars back in the days, in fact I was reminded of Barbelith many times) but too often it felt like an excuse to string a load of 'middle-class-cliche' gags together - the retired colonel type stuffing his petrol bomb with his regimental ties and all that. I'd have liked to have seen him take the 'what if?' aspects a lot further, developed it more.

Raised a lot of questions in my brane, though. Did anyone recognise the Twickenham survey characters (the upper mc types)? Kay's statements about the way they policed themselves ("try driving round in a car with leopard print seat covers and see what you get", etc) felt a bit out of date - I assumed even the upper middle class were more relaxed about that sort of thing these days. Also: did the "only meaningless violence can create meaning" bit make any sense to anyone? And was anyone convinced by the "new proletariat" argument?
 
 
illmatic
13:19 / 04.08.04
To Ganesh: I get that very much with Ballard. It's something a few of his interviewers have quizzed him on, he doesn't really "do" emotion/characters/empathy, he's more about creating psycholgically charged scenes and backdrops. You can find this very strongly in his early sci-fi as well - The Drowned World, High Rise etc.

I re-read his (semi-autobiographical) Empire of the Sun recently, and that's very much the same - the main character is incredibly amoral, but he has to be to survive. There's no sense of worrying about wrong or right in his behavoiour - it just is, and it's totally necessary. I think this is the most powerful message of the book perhaps. I can't recall his exact wording but Ballard himself has said in interview that being in a warzone and prison camp in his formative years gave him very few illusions about human nature - I suppose that cruel and vicous side what you're seeing played out in these later works.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:45 / 04.08.04
I dunno. I think what you get in Ballard's stuff isn't so much his cruel and vicious side, more just a complete absence of sentimentality. He often talks about arriving in the UK after the War and just being shocked by the state of the place, the drabness, the parochial Little England attitudes and so on, which after his experiences makes a certain amount of sense, and you could possibly see his work since then, at least to an extent, as a sort of one-man crusade against anything to do with the kind of post-Victorian middle class niceties of culture ( read, denial, ) he must have run into back then. So I always have the feeling that however deranged his characters get, he sort of oddly approves of them, in the weirdest way, for at least having the courage of their convictions. And that he doesn't exactly relish the violence ( well, except in Crash, ) more just sees it as necessary, and so presents it in this strangely affectless, off-hand style.

Then again, this is the same man who once said, about Crash I think, that he wanted " to rub the human face in it's own vomit and then force it to look in the mirror, " so I could be a bit off the point here.

And granted, the prose can be a bit awkward.
 
 
The Falcon
00:51 / 12.08.04
Is that not William Hurt in the film of 1984?

Was sampled on 'The Holy Bible' anyway.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
08:28 / 12.08.04
(The vomit quotation is JGB talking about Crash, and the 1984 quotation on The Holy Bible is the one at the start of Yes : "I hate purity, I hate goodness! I don't want [any] virtue to exist anywhere. I want everyone [to be] corrupt."

Sorry about that, on with the thread...)
 
  
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