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nowonmai
09:48 / 06.12.01
OK. been reading a while.

experience proves shit all. not a disbeliever myself. just want to know why you all talk like its fact wehn its belief.

put yr money where your mouth
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:48 / 06.12.01
quote:Originally posted by nowonmai:

experience proves shit all


This has *got* to go into the Barbequotes thread.
 
 
Papess
09:48 / 06.12.01
nowonmai, perhaps, it is all just belief . We all can say that this exsistance is a fact, right?
Wrong, maybe we all just BELIEVE it is!!

When you see Absolute Truth, facts are meaningless.

Where are those facts now?


P.S: I would like to mention that addressing the members of Barbelith as "you all" is a bit rude. Perhaps, recognizing that there are various individuals here with many different viewpoints would have been polite and congenial. Taking an "us and them" standpoint is only inviting conflict.

-May Tricks
 
 
nowonmai
09:48 / 06.12.01
666 posts, Lothar. how long bvefore you all read some weird significance into that?
 
 
nowonmai
09:48 / 06.12.01
fine. 'you all' may be rude. it was unintentional, smaybe sparked by what seems to be the prevailing attitude.

still, belief isn't all there is. it only is if you regard self as paramount. wouldnt 'absolute truth' demand there be some facts (ie, like 'absolute truth')
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:48 / 06.12.01
quote:Originally posted by nowonmai:
666 posts, Lothar. how long bvefore you all read some weird significance into that?

I'm too busy shaving the goat for the ritual tonight.

But after we're done sacrificing the male and female hookers that we have tricked into coming and raise our dark lord "NOFEEDEETHETROLLIEWHOCANTSPELLE" so that I can be named Lord Thecheesestandsalone I'll put some serious thought into the meaning behind it.
 
 
nowonmai
09:48 / 06.12.01
besides, from previous reading i'm not sure that by addressiung the Magick im addressing barbelith as a whole
 
 
nowonmai
09:48 / 06.12.01
the troll who cant spell? doesn't matter if i type fast - its the communication that counts. maybe i've been spending too long on the mobile
 
 
Seth
09:48 / 06.12.01
Heh. Great thread title, although I'm undecided on the contents.

So are you saying Lothar is the Anti-Christ?
 
 
Rev. Wright
09:48 / 06.12.01
quote: The validation of subjectivity, leads towards scepticism, but not onto nihilism.

Anon.

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: William Wright ]
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:48 / 06.12.01
You need Jesus in your heart.
 
 
nul
09:48 / 06.12.01
Wouldn't he get cramped in there?
 
 
Dr. Vital
09:48 / 06.12.01
quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:
You need Jesus in your heart.

I put him there for a while.

After a few days he got hungry and tried to claw his way out.

As for the proof... well, why not post a picture and your name, we all will try to curse you, then we'll see what happens!

RU Game?
 
 
Papess
09:48 / 06.12.01
Oooh, you play rough Dr.Vital!
-May
 
 
nowonmai
10:11 / 06.12.01
Now typing slower to avoid being called a "troll."

May, you seem to have the wrong end of the stick. My first post stated I am not a disbeliever. Many theories fit the facts, however. Previous reading suggests some interpretations are preferred over others. Why is that? That's why I'm asking you.

What would a curse prove? That bad vibes can be spread? I know that, you know that. How that happens is conjecture. More interested in what makes you come to your conclusions.
 
 
nowonmai
10:13 / 06.12.01
Typed all my spelling errors ten times each sir. Can I go home now?
 
 
mate
12:57 / 06.12.01
I think he called you a troll because you weren't communicating which is why Lothar took you as a troll, May misunderstood your point and expressionless was 'undecided on the contents', probably a polite way of saying 'what the fuck are you talking about?'

You also came in here with angry statements like 'experience proves shit all' and 'put yr money where your mouth'.

The point is some of the people here have experienced their magic and have based it on trial and error.

If it was only from reading books it would be just belief then.

I doubt you'll get too many others responding to you, not because they're afraid of answering your questions but because you obviously show derision towards them and also because you obviously haven't experienced the same things they have so what would be the point.

Plato's cave anyone?
 
 
Papess
13:25 / 06.12.01
Thank you for typing slower, nowonmai. I don't feel so offended since you are rephrasing your question(s). Sometimes the communication that writing provides is very limited because tone and inflection cannot be heard. I guess you could have been displaying a playfulness in your initial post. My misunderstanding, I apologize for the sterness of my first post. You raise a good question (now that I understand your intent) and I have a question for you.
You say you are a believer, why do you believe and in what? I am curious since maybe, your beliefs hold validity for you.

-May Tricks
 
 
grant
15:22 / 06.12.01
quote:Originally posted by nowonmai:
fine. 'you all' may be rude. it was unintentional, smaybe sparked by what seems to be the prevailing attitude.

still, belief isn't all there is. it only is if you regard self as paramount. wouldnt 'absolute truth' demand there be some facts (ie, like 'absolute truth')

what kind of absolute truth would you like?
 
 
Ierne
15:47 / 06.12.01
Shit. I thought this was going to be a thread about alcohol and magick.

(Example: the Mezcal I intend to drink with Lothar next time I go to Frisco! "NOFEEDEETHETROLLIEWHOCANTSPELLE" cracked me up!!)


Define "absolute truth", please.

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:49 / 06.12.01
surely you ask define Absolut Truth?
 
 
Papess
16:35 / 06.12.01
I define Absolute truth as the That which is pure and unobjectified by definition. I am not being a smartass here, I think it is something beyond the a singular thought or concept. It is the WHOLE truth, uneffected by the biases of dualistic exsistence.

-May

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: May Tricks ]
 
 
cusm
16:48 / 06.12.01

Define "absolute truth", please.


(puts on stodgy cap of dogmatic recital)

Nothing is true, everything is permitted

Chaos magicians are the wrong folks to be asking about absolute truth. That is, unless you did mean Absolut Truth
 
 
Ierne
17:41 / 06.12.01
You see, I personally don't think there's any such thing as absolute truth. Truth means different things to different people. There could be a consensus truth, where a group of people decide that a particular thing or situation is true for THEM, but "absolute truth"? Nah. I don't buy it.

As for Absolut Truth...I'll buy that if it's 100 proof
 
 
Kobol Strom
18:42 / 06.12.01
I think whether or not there is absolute truth is irrelevent in the first place,because I think the real truth,if it exists would be completely unbelievable anyway.
Magick is the explanation for what happens when I do magick,and I often risk being sucked into the miasmatic void of my own arse trying to explain it to myself,which is what I try to do before posting my 'beliefs' here.Lots of strange stuff happening recently,theres a part of the brain that generates a facsimilie of our local reality,but subverts object positions and contextual arrangements ,in order to communicate prophecy.
It ain't my belief system at work,its my brain tuning into something unbelievable.

[ 06-12-2001: Message edited by: kobol strom ]
 
 
Rev. Wright
00:52 / 07.12.01
quote: The validation of subjectivity, leads towards scepticism, but not onto nihilism.

Anon
 
 
nowonmai
04:08 / 07.12.01
I'm the wrong person to ask about 'absolute truth.' Was quoting someone else's post.

As far as learning by 'trial and error,' that's what I meant by 'experience proves shit all.' There are many ways of getting from a to b which all work fine.

My beliefs? Socialism.

'Absolut Truth' is the only truth!
 
  
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