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DFW's Oblivion

 
 
iconoplast
13:54 / 19.06.04
Anyone else reading this? I've gone through two stories, and can report that DFW is still gifted at crafting incredibly funny and obsessively footnoted lead-ups to moments of crises which occur moments after the story ends.

Why do I keep reading him?
 
 
nedrichards is confused
11:54 / 20.06.04
Becuase he's a witch with language. Some of his sentences are just sublime.
 
 
mkt
14:58 / 01.07.04
That, or you really enjoyed the ending to The Italian Job.
Although I find you get less pub mileage out of DFW.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:38 / 01.07.04
Because, I'm guessing, you enjoy his writing (unlike some people).

I picked up Oblivion and really enjoyed "Mr. Squishy" (although much of it was so dense I actually started sweating from the effort), but I was waylaid by other things before I could continue on any further. But I give props to Mr. F.W. I've been a supporter ever since he named a character Judith Preitht in Broom Of The System. Get it? I was hooked.

I've never seen The Italian Job, but I really enjoy books by David Foster Wallace. I hope that doesn't botch up your equation there.
 
 
mkt
09:16 / 02.07.04
It was a facetious remark. The film is known for its cliffhanger ending.
 
 
Squirmelia
10:13 / 07.07.04
Wasn't Mr Squishy in a McSweeney's sometime ago, under a pseudonym that was an anagram of DFW, or am I thinking of something else? If it was, is Oblivion just full of already published stuff?
 
 
Abigail Blue
00:35 / 09.07.04
I was just at a DFW author-to-author talk last week, and he said that, apparently, he made Dave Eggers promise never to reveal that he was the real author of 'Mr. Squishy'. Even though anyone who's ever read his stuff knew right away that he was obviously the author, Dave Eggers still had to, because of his promise, deny the whole thing, which made everyone feel vaguely foolish. Especially DFW himself who, apparently, didn't realize that his style is extremely distinctive.

But all that to say that I believe that 'Mr. Squishy' is perhaps the only previously-published story in Oblivion.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
11:23 / 13.07.04
I recently finished A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again and was again blown away. The man can write essays that I want to read! Damn him!

But seriously, his essay on television was, I thought, extremely good and well worth picking up.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:05 / 06.08.04
There's apparently a new DFW essay about Lobster in this month's (August 2004) issue of Gourmet magazine. Seriously. I keep forgetting to look for it when I'm at the bookstore. This is more a post to remind me to go read it while I'm at lunch today. Here's a little story about the essay.

I haven't finished Oblivion yet - I've got two stories left. So far, I'm liking it better than Hideous Men. For some reason, I'm detecting the influence of George Saunders. Does anyone else get that sense?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:06 / 06.08.04
New fiction in the New Yorker by the aforementioned George Saunders.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:02 / 06.08.04
Holy Hotnuts, that was fantastic.

I think there's as much different between the Saunds and the Diff as there are similarities. Dave is a lot more verbose, but they both have an incredible knack for completely and holisticly realizing the absurd.

Jim Shepard too.

I currently have that Gourmet in my bag. And am psyched to read it.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:52 / 06.08.04
Hand on heart, has anyone actually ever even finished Infinite Jest, never mind enjoyed it ?

While it's terribly sad that Dave was in rehab ( David Foster Wallace was in the clinic for ages, to do with a list of self-abuse that's as long as one's arm - shocking in some ways, but not nearly as bad as the appalling wank-fest he's since seen fit to inflict on the general public, really, ) I still think, balls to you Dave, and the horse you rode in on.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
18:06 / 06.08.04
I think what I'm reacting to is that while the stories in Oblivion still illustrate the impossibility of certain kinds of communication (going back to the Wittgenstein fetish in "Broom"), they seem, at least to me, a little more hopeful - and I've always thought that Saunder's fiction has always been, at it's heart, striving towards a peaceful, metaphysical conclusion - his fiction is the opposite of hopeless, really, while DFW has always teetered at the bring of the abyss.

I've got the Gourmet in my bag too. Mmmm, strawberry preserves!
 
 
Ethan Hawke
18:27 / 06.08.04
er, except for the one I linked to. That's pretty bleak. But I think it's about the War.
 
 
iconoplast
22:22 / 06.08.04
I read Infinite Jest.

In fact, it was given to me at a bar on my 20th birthday. I opened it on the Metro on my way home.

When I got home, I took my phone off the hook and stayed in my apartment for three days reading it compulsively.

The guy who gave it to me came and knocked on my door on the third night - he said he thought if I finished the book without speaking, I might never speak again. So we went out drinking, and I finished it the next day.

It was a favorite of mine for a long time, but in the last six years, I'm starting to feel that it may be a tiny bit self-indulgent. And I've read enough "Aren't I clever? Aren't you clever for finding me clever?" fiction to not really feel all that clever for having read it anymore. Mrs Eggers and Franzen, I am looking at you.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
08:00 / 08.08.04
Well I've read IJ twice and am currently slasoming through it a third time. I have great difficulty being objective about it so I'll stop now.
 
 
sauceruney
05:21 / 31.10.04
Hand on heart, has anyone actually ever even finished Infinite Jest, never mind enjoyed it ?

I've wondered the same thing about Gurdjieff's Beelzebub's Tales..., and I've made my way through after much effort... which is more than I can currently say about Infinite Jest.

Sorry to bump a thread thats so old, but I'm new and re-reading IJ. Maybe I'll finish it this time.
 
 
Elegant Mess
14:39 / 14.11.04
I'm currently going through something of a David Foster Wallace phase at the moment. Infinite Jest was the first thing of his I read, and it utterly beguiled me. It became a mini-obsession. Admittedly, as iconoplast says, there's a definite sense of "Look ma! No hands!" to the writing - no work of fiction needs over a hundred pages of footnotes, let's be honest - but it's seems to me more like the work of a writer being overcome with ideas and wanting to run with them to their conclusion than the work of someone in love with their intellect hammering out a Big Book just for sheer "fuck-you" points.

Although, to be fair, there's a bit of that, too. I could have done with slightly less on the minutiae of tennis.

Still, I blew through it in a week of lunchtimes and red-eyed lamplit bedtimes, and it never felt like a chore. It's certainly the only book I've ever read where it took three hundred pages or so to actually get a handle on what the hell it's actually about in any real sense, but even when Wallace bounces from Subsidized Year to Subsidized Year, from character to seemingly unrelated character, without explanation, the energy and humour was more than enough to keep me going until the big picture started to become clear, and I could see where he was going with it.

Or where it seemed like he was going, anyway. It seems to be a particularly Wallace trait to build to a big ending and then stop short. Infinite Jest is notorious for it (although I would argue that Hal's line in the opening section that "I think of John N.R. Wayne [...] standing watch in a mask as Donald Gately and I dig up my father's head" is enough of a horribly chilling end to the story as it is), Broom of the System ends similarly without conventional narrative resolution, as do many of the pieces in Interviews with Hideous Men and Girl with Curious Hair... I wonder why Wallace is so drawn to the sudden, unexpected, and arguably unsatisfying ending. Maybe he's been influenced by George Morrison... ?

Nedrichards is right, though, when he says that Wallace is a witch with language. There's a story in Brief Interviews with Hideous Men called "Forever Overhead" that is just chock-full of effortlessly beautiful imagery. It's ten pages of that particularly Wallacey woozy, dreamtime strangeness (see also "John Billy" in Girl With... ), and the linking of the onset of puberty and swimming pools just seems to make a perfect, odd kind of sense on a number of levels. I keep reading over it again and again. The prose is weightless, frictionless.

I see that he's co-written a book called Signifying Rappers: Rap and Race in the Urban Present. Anyone read it? Is it as horribly chinstrokey Media Studies "worthy" as it sounds?
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
06:37 / 12.04.05
IJ just arrived in the post yesterday. Currently on page 85, because I am a slow reader. Hand on heart it will be finished, although I'll be damned if I don't learn to stop reading more than one footnote at a time. It's not as though I'm reading on purpose; I just see these shapes like letters and can't help but make sense of them. It really ruined the whole te occidere possunt sed te edere non possunt nefes est thing...
 
 
ibis the being
19:47 / 12.04.05
I love Papi's post on the difference between Saunders and Wallace, and I agree with that assessment. Saunders appears to love humanity, for all its absurdity, while Wallace seems a bit more conflicted - finds people more tricky, more troublesome. He's a bit more of an introvert, not personally, but in the worldview expressed by his writing.

I read all of Infinite Jest and liked it very much. I liked the rest of Wallace's books... but no so much Oblivion. I enjoyed it because it was the latest book out by an author I'd previously enjoyed, but if I'd picked it up cold, I wouldn't have liked it. Where I found his previous books self-conscious-with-a-purpose, I suspected Oblivion of being self-conscious-with-defiance. Whether or not it's true, it read as though he's frustrated with his style and pushing it to the limit with aggression and hostility, rather than joy as previously. Which I thought was really sad, in light of the fact that the human dramas within the tortured language were actually a bit more sophisticated than anything he'd written before.
 
 
at the scarwash
01:55 / 13.04.05
Although, to be fair, there's a bit of that, too. I could have done with slightly less on the minutiae of tennis.


Are you kidding? Infinite Jest made me care about tennis.

Self indulgeant, modernist backwash, yes, but so well done. So fun. Clever, perhaps saying nothing, but with such panache, and such adorable heart-on-its-sleeve sentimentality. If books like these were what people picked up in airport newstands for cheap, disposeable reads, what a better world this would be.
 
 
Harlen M Quint
03:49 / 18.04.05
An interesting program on the direction of fiction was conducted on To The Best of Our Knowledge featuring both DFW and Saunders. I agree that their styles can be similar, but Saunders, especially with the stories contained within "Pastoralia" seems to capture a less abstract human essance
 
  
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