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Ganesh
21:15 / 15.06.04
Well, now I'm officially 'mid-30s', but hey, there's an upside: my lovely, lovely, lovely smut-squirrel Xoc has surprise-booked a weekend away in Berlin! Yay!

Aaanyway, neither of us has ever been to Berlin, and are keen to make the most of the experience, but not do too much sight-seeing; it always seems best to balance kulcher with leisurely swanning around the bars, pubs and sleazy, beleathered gayer hostelries.

Anyone been? Recommendations, puhlease.
 
 
Sax
06:05 / 16.06.04
A colleague of mine is there at the moment. I'll get some recommendations off him when he returns to the office next week.

And how old is "mid-30s", you obtuse elephant, you? 35?

Big, moist birthday wishes to you.
 
 
Jub
07:18 / 16.06.04
I've been a few times, but it's always to visit elderly relatives, so I've not done too well on the sleazy front in Berlin. For the past couple of years I've been taken out by their nephews and nieces and that's been quite cool. Thumping nightlife, but very different from London - or maybe it's just because I don't do those sort of big nights over here. So I can't really *recommend* these places, but if you're stuck for somewhere to go, they'd be a good starting point.

We went to Bar Am Lützowplatz is actually on Lützowplatz(!) which is near the Tiergarten, reminds me a bit of Mezzo on Wardour Street, full of people who think they're having a really good time. (It's got a long bar though and that's quite nice).

Hafen in Schöneberg is a nice place if only for it's oddness. More Shoreditch twat than Soho ponce. Fairly good (but slightly German) music when I went. (Also I was very drunk so that might be influencing me here).

On the second night we went to Mitte which is in the NE of the city and is part of the old East Berlin (which I'd never been out drinking in before)

Went to Greenwich to start which was a bit Soho. Beautiful people, everything is too cool for school. Next we went to Lore which was okay but not all it was cracked up to be (had to queue and everything!)

I emailed my mate who lived there and he said that Tom's Bar in Motzstrasse is a gay bar. Relatively well known (that is to say it was the only one he could think of!) - nearest tube = Nollendorfplatz.

Again, couldn't actually guarentee you'd like it, but I think it's set you up in the right direction.

Have fun.
 
 
Ganesh
07:23 / 16.06.04
Thanks, Jub; that's useful.

Sax: 34...
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
08:26 / 16.06.04
Just asked a friend and he recommends:

- the club Connection in Fuggerstrasse

- the Cafe November in Husemannsstrasse eastwards

- the sauna Treibhaus should be memorable, also.

This friend is actually going to some museum for homos, to participate in a show, or something. He's very talented with graphic work and photos, so if the same standard goes for the rest of the participants, it would perhaps make an ideal leisurely paced exploration ...
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
08:37 / 16.06.04
Schwules Museum

18th of June. Catch it if it's your thing.

He's good.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
09:12 / 16.06.04
hb old thing. heard about this on Sunday, heehee

things to do in Berlin:

a pretty good city guide here

a good queer guide here, lots of the clubs/place we went to I pulled off this site...

I remeber the Esso being pretty good if you want a mixed/queerish crowd.

and:

The bar Bärenkeller in is a place for elderly gays
 
 
Ganesh
12:19 / 16.06.04
The bar Bärenkeller in is a place for elderly gays

You're cruising for a clip round the ear, young lady.

Thanks for that, though. Not sure about namby-pamby "mixed/queerish"; I suspect we'll be bringing the leather and setting the controls for the (dark) heart of the Homo...

And on that note, elsewhere in Pervsville I'm recommended a place called Mutchsmans in Martin-Luther-Strasse (doesn't open until 11pm, apparently) and one Prinzknecht, in Fugger Strasse (the name of which is inspiring). There's also apparently a famous gay street-party, "Strassenfest", on Motz Strasse. All sounding rather pleasant.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:37 / 16.06.04
Didn't put that very well, Esso is queer as queer but multi-gendered/coloured.

But, if you want it like it were in your day, before the grrrls spoiled it all, this should keep you going for a while.

You've got to see the Gay Museum and the Reichstage as well, tho'. Both fascinating.

oh, and pick up siegessaeule, the freebie bi-language gay guide.
 
 
Ganesh
12:48 / 16.06.04
oh, and pick up siegessaeule, the freebie bi-language gay guide.

Is there a homo-language version?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:56 / 16.06.04
No. Bow to our supremacy, bitch.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:08 / 16.06.04
Or just see how far you get with der homosprache.
 
 
Ganesh
18:19 / 16.06.04
Oh, I imagine I could go qui-i-ite far communicating only in the universal language of Homo...
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
14:59 / 20.06.04
Um, that's such a subtle way of addressing ...things.

Then again, that's to be expected. :-D
 
 
Ganesh
18:24 / 20.06.04
Ich bin ein doughnut.

Berlin is wonnnnderful! I want us to move here!

More later, when we can tear ourselves away from the leatherbars and nudie-sunbathing Tiergarten for long enough to post...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:32 / 24.06.04
Thanks very much for your tips, gute Leute! Fortunately, our hotel was in the middle of Schöneberg and the Schwule-Lesbisch Strassenfest was on all weekend, so we just had to walk out the front door to be swept up in party-minded poofs and pretty policepeople. Hooray for Berlin!

Only passed through Lützowplatz during daylight hours, Jub, but we were en route to the Tiergarten which is lipsmackingly fabulous! A huge woodland in the middle of the town, with rivers and lakes and woodland paths leading to "Liegewiesen" which turn out to be full of naked German men and big, big dogs chewing frisbees. Could have spent every daylight hour there had it not been raining on every day but one, and we never even got to the gay bits, behind the Soviet Memorial and the far south west strip. The whole place seemed greener, round Schöneberg and Mitte at least. So many birds everywhere and only two magpies.

Passed by Hafen a few times but were always heading for somewhere or crawling home at 5 a.m. Does seem to be one of the popular bars, from the word on the street there. Smarter than many we did patronise.

Only got to Mitte during the day, to sight see. We will go back and investigate all the bars there and in Charlottenburg and Prenzlauer Berg. Hell, I'd go back just to see the same bars and clubs I did this time but I'm aware there was lots more we could see with a bit more time, that we never did.

Tom's Bar we dipped into but it was early on and probably much busier and more fun later. Spent a lot of time sheltering from the rain in a gay coffee shop over the street from there. I got a bit narked in Tom's when they suddenly changed the channel when I was watching the footie. German queers don't seem to watch it either.

Motzstrasse has lots to see and do, particularly the obligatory pilgrimage to Nümmer 17, where Isherwood lived during his Sally Bowles days.

Club Connection was busy, busy, busy, Masculine Petsi, judging by the queues to get in. Does have a perv clothing store attached which was open after midnight for that last minute clubbing necessity. Maybe for those who'd lost all their clothes in a darkroom. Hehe. Also looked a bit G.A.Y. so we went on elsewhere in Fuggerstrasse, which is hoachin' with leather bars and fetish clubs.

Never got to any saunas. Might have been driven to it by the dodgy shower in our room, in time. So much for the cliché of Teutonic efficiency.

Schwules Museum next time, I promise! We didn't get there till the 19th however, so wouldn't have caught your friend's show. They did have a display up and a stand at the StraBenfest. Our brief time in the old East was a bit depressing and grim. Need to go back and see the less crapularly Neo-Stalinist architectured parts.

Bengali, seems every place in gay Berlin is for elderly gays! Didn't notice the "mixed" bit much in any of the bars or clubs we did hit but that does seem a more likely contingency in Berlin. The street festival was full of all sorts, commingling and being just lovely... *Sentimental moment...*

And your link to the "darkrooms" list was prescient. Berlin was choked with choice of darkrooms and what fun we had! Particularly in the wonderful Scheune and in Mutschmanns, although the latter surprised us on Sunday night by being full of entirely naked people when we arrived.

Seemed like all the visiting Brits and Yanks then made for the same bar nearby to escape the "Naked Party" and we even met some lovely bondage boys from Chicago who live practically next door to us in London. In Berlin men seem to get away with fisting on a table by the bar and it doesn't draw a crowd of rubberneckers or people wanting to join in. The other clubbers just stand back, maybe watch a bit from a distance, and carry on with their own sociable activities. Much more chatting than you'd see in similar bars here but just as much shagging.

Prinzknecht was a great bar too, absolutely thronged, although we never investigated the back room. There was a nice wee place called Bears too, which was just like it says on the tin. Fat, bearded, German bears talking about opera... With leather trousers hanging from the ceiling.

Berlin is great. No licensing laws whatsoever. Same sex couples hold hands in the street, commonly. The way that queer men and women seem to relate and the inclusivity everywhere was remarkable; many more disabled people visible about the place for instance. And, happily, my rusty German got us by.

And only in Berlin would be have been getting wolf-whistled like that.
 
 
+#'s, - names
05:11 / 25.06.04
Christianne F.

V2 SCHNEIDER

yikes! try to top that dmb, barbelith act of the year 2003!!!


oh wait! YOU CANT CAN YOU?

didnt think so.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
10:23 / 25.06.04
licensing laws whatsoever. Same sex couples hold hands in the street, commonly. The way that queer men and women seem to relate and the inclusivity everywhere was remarkable; many more disabled people visible about the place for instance.

Yeah, I remember this being v.noticeable... and have heard from other people that trans life w/i queer scene is easier in Berlin than London, the scene in general= much less socially segregated.

glad you had a good time, I also want to live in Berlin. Would you consider a lodger?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
15:58 / 25.06.04
No, no, no, that's not the plan. You're going to find yourself a philanthropic old German pervenfrau with a fuck off flat off the Tiergarten and Ganesh and I will come live with you as your houseboys. I will cook and clean. Ganesh will be entirely decorative. Maybe arrange some flowers now and then, wearing smart little Lederhosen. It could work...

 
 
tbedlam
16:46 / 25.06.04
let us know how it went. a friend and myself will be traveling to berlin in august in search of schwule friendly places as well. ive never been either.
 
 
Ganesh
09:11 / 26.06.04
let us know how it went.

Erm. Isn't that what Xoc's just done?

And he's said it all, really. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a gay scene as much, both the daytime Poovendykenfest and the appealingly sleazy nightlife. The Berliners' casual attitude to schwulery, nudity, sex, etc. was refreshing, as was the relatively wide array of body types (not as muscle-fascist as mainstream London gaydom). Other than a couple of brief forways into town (wished I'd brought a long coat and prosthetic ponytail so I could hang around the big gold angely thing being all Wim Wenders), we were probably guilty of spending most of our time in the gay ghetto - but it was a very nice ghetto.

All the leather/perv shops were light, bright and open, with lo-o-ots of mouthwatering schtuff (NB German 'gummi bears' are something altogether different...). Nothing quite as mouthwatering, mind, as the green-and-mustard Polizei, some of whom were verrry sexy indeed. Weird seeing those little holstered pistols on their hips, though.

It actually turned out to be a relatively cheap weekend, possibly because we lived on festival stall bratvurst, duty-free champagne and vodka tonics (drinks cost around half-to-two-thirds of London prices), didn't pay to get into clubs (they're all free-entry - how do they break even?) and didn't get particularly souvenir-spendy.

Must go back. Soon.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
19:08 / 26.06.04
Schwules Museum next time, I promise! We didn't get there till the 19th however, so wouldn't have caught your friend's show.

Xoc, I think the duration's more than the 18th, just. Never the mind though, as he's got other, slightly more worksafe photos on the Net. (www.olebremerp.dk)

Must go back. Soon.

'Nesh, I have been flirting with the idea of moving to Berlin, enticed by the prospect of truly cheap apartments, and excellent nightlife choices. Apartments are cheap, however, getting work might be more than slightly difficult, therefore I'm rather hesitant atm. But Berlin's wonderful, I hear, from most of my gay friends, acquainted with the city.
 
  
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