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Coltrane, Saint

 
 
doctorbeck
12:20 / 15.06.04
looking forward to the Trane documentary tomorrow, it looks like it will focus on the Church of St John Coltrane which i was luck enough to visit in the early 90s, trule wonderful service based around a love supreme, but including testifying and gospel singing, lasted for a couple fo brilliant hours and was truly moving and wonderful.

took me ten years to appreciate Love Supreme, bought it when i was 14 or something, way over my head, but now, i dunno, a truly masterful thing

anyone else a fan or been to the church?
 
 
rizla mission
20:38 / 15.06.04
I'm gonna watch it.

I've been listening to Coltrane a lot recently as part of my investigations of jazz and... he's fucking great. I don't really feel qualified to say any more than that, and y'know, dancing about architecture etc.
 
 
Lea-side
21:42 / 15.06.04
i LOVE that album more than i can express in your earth-words, but it has kind of caused me problems. it was one of the first jazz albums i really listened to, and everything i have listened to since has seemed to not really be quite as good...either too trad, or too 'free'.. any suggestions?
 
 
doctorbeck
10:16 / 16.06.04
pharoe saunders used to play with trane

his stuff is slightly less freeform and slightly more cosmic / 60s

karma is the best lp to start, with tauhud pretty good too

there is a good best of lp doing the rounds too, £30 for the original double vinyl but also on cd. john's wife

alice coltrane did some accessible and interesting lps too, most notably jounrey to sactananda, which has been reissued, but for me Trane strides above them al like a collossus (except for the Om lp, which is largely unlistenable

i am very interested in trane as saint, as he was obviously a troubled man, with his heroin problem for one thing, but someone who touched something divine in his music in a way few others have, also interesting for keeping to a largely christian faith, as opposed to many contemporaries who turned to islam or more esoteric religion as was popular at the time

the church rocks btw.

andrew
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:52 / 16.06.04
'Om' is superb, cloth ears.
Mind you I'm one of those 'Ascension' during breakfast types.

If you like 'A love supreme' then I would recommend Pharoah Saunder's 'Izipho Zam'. A fantastic ensemble piece which includes a very restrained (by his standards) Sonny Sharrock.

Also Albert Ayler's 'Spirits rejoice'. I dunno why people think he's so innacesable, when I listen to Ayler I end up throwing phrases like 'The sound of holy joy' around.
Maybe because he earned his chops in r'n'b bands he's a bit more easy for 'Rock fans' to get into.

Ornette Coleman's 'Love cry' is another. Very easy to get into and enjoy.

Oh, and Archie Shepp's 'Sea of faces' which is a bit more orchestrated than 'Love supreme' but has a similar sense of swing and purpose.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:45 / 17.06.04
Well I thought the documentary was pretty good.

Mainly worth it for the footage of the 'Love supreme' performance and the later performance with Rashied Ali grinning like a lunatic and thwaping the skins.

It was all I could do to restrain from shouting 'Blow man blow!'

Only problem. The documentary towed the party line on Coltrane 'Losing it' after 'love supreme'. Utter bollocks, and the only person they could find to defend that period was some cosmic dancing hippy type who's argument was incoherent to say the least.
 
 
m
17:10 / 17.06.04
What documentary? Was this only on in Britain? I wanna see it!
 
  
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