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the cat's iao
20:57 / 13.06.04
Mudhoney says, "hate the police," but perhaps a better attitude is summed up by the line from Barfly, "I don't hate the police, I just feel better when they're not around." Then again, maybe you have had moments where you really appreciated the police?

So, what are some of the experiences that you've had with the fuzz, the man, el hombre, and so on?
 
 
spake
21:21 / 13.06.04
I got arrested 4 years ago when i beat up the guy who was having an affair with my partner. I used a weapon as well, which made the situation far worse than it needed to be. Half an hour after the event i got harrassed and pushed around by 4 cops in my own apartment, while the guy i beat on watched. (the cops were his mates funnily enough).

After the man-handling i got hauled off to the local cop-shop where i spent the best part of a day being questioned and harrassed by the bastards. Its amazing the shit they'll say to get you to "confess!!". I didn't say shit to them, but they had enough witnesses to polish up the case for the courts. The upside was that i had a brilliant lawyer get me off the jail-time later on.

However a good lawyer can't remove the stigma of having a conviction attached to your record. I still pay for it every time i apply for a job. That and i only recently finished paying off the lawyer's fees and the fines. bummer.

Needless to say, i really hate cops.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:39 / 13.06.04
Hmmm... but aren't you a tiny bit annoyed with yourself as well?

I've encountered the police on the odd demo - they've generally been pretty polite, but then I am white and posh and not terribly aggressive, so that works out OK usually. The only time I really sat down and chatted with 5-0 was when I was mugged. That was fairly civilised - we both knew that there was no point in them being there, because the muggers would never be caught, and TBH I didn't really want them to be. There was a bit of a dicey moment when one of them reminded me that possession of a driving license without your current address on was illegal, but I pointed out that, since my driving license was in my wallet, I wasn't really the person they ought to be talking to about this, and it was defused.

Oh, and I did once get into a face-off with a plainclothes policeman on the Underground, but that went all right in the end....
 
 
spake
22:13 / 13.06.04
well yeah. of course i'm really annoyed at myself. Morseo than at the cops. It's definitely the most supidest thing i've ever done.

i have other reasons for hating cops though. A friend of mine was beaten in a cell with a telephone book after he was arrested for supposedly hitting a plain clothes cop. They later found the real culprit, . . .
 
 
Nobody's girl
04:22 / 14.06.04
A few years back I got the cops called on me when I was performing a autumn equinox ritual in the great outdoors.

It was the weekend I think and I'd popped up to some local woods at about midnight to do my thang. I had neglected to notice that the area I had chosen was overlooked by a small cottage and as I was finishing up I noticed a dog romping about in the distance with attendant owners looking a little confused and worried.

So I pack up, and as I watch the candles burn down I get my thermos out for a warming cuppa- cue two bemused coppers wading through the underbrush.
They cautiously ask me what I'm doing, their tone conveying suspicions of me being utterly fucking nuts. Taking extra effort to seem reasonable I explain that I'm a pagan performing an autumn equinox ritual.

The police told me that the people who live in the cottage were worried about "strange lights at the back of their house" and had called them out to investigate. I reassured them that I'm just waiting for my candles to burn out and I'll be on my way which seemed to satisfy them.

At which point, bless him, copper #1 gets chatty, asking me what the candles symbolise with a seemingly genuine interest. Missing a fantastic opportunity, I just mumble something vague about "part of the ritual, to symbolise the elements" which wasn't even true, but I was still kinda spaced out and feeling vulnerable.

Other than that my experiences have been mainly at demos and the Beltane celebrations in Edinburgh.
 
 
eddie thirteen
04:52 / 14.06.04
I used to have a problem with cops, just on GP, but I really don't anymore. I hate to say it, but every person I know (with the exception of a prof who was a Black Panther in the '60s) who has ever had a problem with the police has brought it on him/herself, and pretty much deserved to have a problem with the police, and was lucky that the problem left him/her on the street muttering "pig" and not in a prison hospital recovering from the ass-kicking he/she so richly warranted.

I am not for one instant denying that many police officers are abusive bastards. I will, however, state that *in my experience* many of them are thus labeled unfairly. Any scary cop experiences I have ever had have been due to friends and relatives who did not have the common sense not to antagonize the police, which led to me having to talk over said friends and relatives and smooth shit out. This has, *in my experience* (and to the credit of the cops), always -- without fail -- worked.

But yeah....I'm also a white guy. Would it be different if I were black, a woman, or what have you? Very probable. Not with every cop, I'm sure, but with some.

PS: I admit to some bias, on account of my sexy lady cop fetish. I know it's wrong, but.....
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
18:38 / 14.06.04
on the whole i have a lot of love for the police. in my job i have to ask them to gain entry to people properties when i cannot get hold of a keyholder and an alarm has been activated. they always do it without any fuss and never grumble even if it turns out to be a false alarm. though that may be a reflection of the age and/or health of the clients.

face to face i've never had any problem with them either. but as haus said i'm white, middleclass and well spoken, so they damn well better treat me with RESPECT!

so Police... decent people, doing a shitty job, who have too much regard for authority.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
19:44 / 14.06.04
Both times were late at night walking home from the train station after Secret Chiefs.

The first time I had stopped to see if I could attune to a local river and a cop car pulled up and I was asked if I was all right, then I was stared at until I had moved on. Definate case of the site saying sod off!

2 Weeks later I thought I'd try again. This time I did not get very far. I was crossing a side road and a police car stopped in front of me and the cops got out, a second came round behind me to cut off the side road and a van with dogs in stopped behind me. This really got the imagination going, thought I was about to get arrested for international terrorism or something. They had a look in my bag then told me they had stopped me because I matched the description of someone who had been seen stealing one of flashing lights from road works. A few weeks later I told the story to a friend who is in the same constabulary he just laughted and said it was probably a quiet night.

A friend was stopped on the Transcan going through Brooks, went to get out of the car (as you do in the UK) only to find a gun pointed at his head.
 
 
the cat's iao
06:41 / 15.06.04
Shit! I’ve had numerous run-ins with the Man, but I’ve never had a cop point a gun at me!

I’m white, male, and so on, but when you come from a town of sixty-thousand where the population is mostly white, well, the cops pick on the freaky white kids. Most of my experiences with the police occurred growing up in my hometown. But maybe I can share some of those later…

My most recent experience, and this was about four years ago now, was quite annoying at the time, but (like most of my experiences with the police) humorous in retrospect. I was in the lobby of a bank after hours with a friend to use the ATM. Actually, my friend was using the machine. Well, he and I are pretty tight, and have been for years, and one of the things we do—like many other males—is piss around pretending to fight one and other. So my friend is getting money from the machine, and some of it he has to give to me because he owes me a twenty (or something). So we’re in the lobby and we start kinda’ kickin’ and punchin’ at one and other, and then he hands me this twenty bucks. So we exit the ATM spot, and start down the walking mall avenue (it’s about seven at night in the late winter, so it’s dark and such). We light up some smokes, and are strolling along. We turn the corner onto 1st Street, and get about half a block when two police on mountain bikes ride up in a hurry. In the distance there is a police car with its lights on headed our way at some speed.

So the cops jump off their bikes and start harassing me! Where you going, what you doing, and so on. And then suddenly the one cop is grabbing my arms and putting them behind my back telling me I am under arrest for strong arm robbery! I’m totally bewildered at this and saying that they must have the wrong guy.

The cop says, “How many guys are walking around downtown with an FBI jacket and toque on?”

So I say, “Well, there’s got to be at least one other one, ‘cause I ain’t done anything! You’re wasting your time.” Well they’d have none of it of course—they slap on the cuffs.

My friend, who really doesn’t like being around the police, starts to have an attack of the giggles. Meanwhile, two cop cars and a paddy wagon have pulled up. A female cop is there (maybe one of the senior officers on the scene?) and she starts taking over the interrogation. I again proclaim my innocence, but they throw me into the back of the van and shut the doors. I end up spending about fifteen minutes in the back of the van hoping things would get sorted out (while waiting I did that trick where you step through the cuffs so at least my hands were now in front of me and uncomfortably bound as opposed to even more uncomfortably cuffed behind me).

So they finally got the collaborating story out of my friend (after he had calmed down enough to stop giggling and was able to speak coherently). It turns out that someone had seen us in the ATM location, and had thought I had robbed my friend so he or she called the cops on a cell phone. Ah the glory of the concerned citizen! Anyway, they let me out of the van, took off the cuffs, and let me go on my way. Before leaving I was sure to express my annoyance at the whole incident, and asked the cops whatever happened to getting the facts straight before coming on like gangbusters. They shrugged—“just doing our job to protect the public.”
 
 
illmatic
08:04 / 15.06.04
I was apprehended a couple of times in my youth, for stupid things like shoplifting and graffiti. On one occasion, the main thing I remember is my mum sitting in the interview room with me, correcting their grammer as they wrote things down - the guy writing kept on getting "there" and "their" mixed up. They seemed reasonable good natured on that occasion, though the guy who caught me did lie in court. We'd broken in to a tube yard, and were going to tag the trains. I hadn't actually done anything before we got chased, my mate escaping, me getting tackled to the ground. The guy who caught me stated in court that he saw me writing on the side on the train, which wasn't true. Whether he was lying deliberately or just got mixed up I never knew. In retrospect I suppose this was fair enough - after all, it's not like I wouldn't have done so, if I'd been there for ten seconds longer, that's why I was there in the first place!

I had a bit of the usual adolescent stoppiness with "the man" until I ended up working closely with a lot of ex-coppers in job I had for local government. Nice enough guys, though the ones I worked with were amazingly unexpressive. One of them had, I think (only heard this through hearsay) been kicked off his bike in the Brixton riots and still suffered from his injuries. Wouldn't really wish that on anyone. It was funny though, watching them phoning the local cop shop - they'd always drop in the fact that they "used to be in the job" (ie weren't the whining public) to put them on a level with whoever they were talking to.

I think the job creates in them a kind of "closed shop" attitude because they deal with so much shit and hostility off the general public, get used as a political footbal etc.

I've also got a cousin in CID, who likes to spend hours spinning out the stories of his latest cases - one that sounds out in my mind was the apprehension of a guy on Rainham Marshes for having sex with a horse...
 
 
lekvar
08:32 / 15.06.04
I've met a fair share of both pricks and ordinary workin' folks in blue. Been threatened with violence, been let off with a warning when I was clearly speeding...

My favorite incident was back in my younger days. I had borrowed my mom's car so I could go to the 24 hour laundromat, but when I got there it was closed. After a minute or two of plaintively tugging on the door (you know, just in case), I got back in the car and pulled out, just as the only police cruiser in a 50 mile radius pulls in.

They immediately pull out behind me and pull me over.

To flesh out the scene:

  • Me with a freshly-shaved mohawk, stompy boots and a painted jacket.

  • in a car with a just barely expired registration and a busted tail light

  • two bored, small-town cops.


Now, this could have gotten really stupid really quick, but as it turned out, the female cop decided to tell me I would have been cute if it weren't for the haircut, the male cop told me how "you [punks] all look the same" (this from a man in a uniform) and tried to explain to me how a motorist was "like Captain Kirk of the Enterprise" when driving.

That night still makes me smile.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:22 / 15.06.04
My most intense encounter with the police involved a car trip through a very teensy town in Oklahoma and a drug dog... you can see where this is going, but oddly it wasn't nearly as unpleasant an experience as you'd think.

Hubby and I and a flaky lawyer friend were on our way home to Texas from a gaming convention up north (GenCon, it was) and got caught in a speed trap in rural Oklahoma. This is a part of the world where being white helps, but not if you're a group of long-haired hippy freaks in a car reeking of marijuana. (Any car with Texas plates is suspect in the neighboring states anyway, since we're the ones with the long border with Mexico and most of the pot comes through there.) Not knowing what the possession laws were in OK, hubby freaks out and denies we have anything, whereupon the cops get very excited and call in their brand new K-9 unit which they apparently haven't had the chance to use yet. So they're going through our bags, looking at Dungeons & Dragons books and combing through bags of dice, and this dog is going nuts jumping around in the car, and our lawyer friend is gibbering at a cop about roleplaying games, and hubby has cuffs on, and I'm just standing there on the side of the highway trying to keep calm. In retrospect the whole thing was hilarious, and these good-ol'-boy small town cops were actually very pleasant about it all - one of them was interested in hearing about gaming, and I think they were all excited that they got to use the drug dog, so they were in a good humor. We were at the station for all of an hour and I wrote a check to bail out hubby and we went on our merry way, less a small bag of herb and a glass pipe.

We look on it as a lesson learned, and don't travel with illegal substances anymore. Lucky it wasn't worse - no one got beat up or harrassed or even jailed for any length of time...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:34 / 15.06.04
Some associates once got picked up for mindlessly trashing a phone box on Holloway Road while extremely pished. They really should've known better, all being suitably mature and wotnot under different circumstances, but hey, alcohol - just say no.

When they relayed the story to me, though, I had to laugh (as did they) at the ice-cold British Bobby piss take back at the station. So you're a late-shift piss taking London Copper, and you're doing the paperwork on 3 D&D yutes who've been hauled in for trashing a phone box, and their names are - plum at the ready - Davina, Hilton and Sebastian.

My how the sarcasm flowed.
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
17:32 / 15.06.04
I got done for a driving offence. when I had just passed my test (14 years ago now so i'm not bitter about it.)

But. A few years ago, in fact 10 years after the inccedent I was working in ahouse whent he owner decided to remind me who he was (The copper that had done me) and the exact details of the event.

I was a bit pissed off about that, The fact that he needed to excert his authority over me once mre by reminding me of who and what he was.
 
 
Axolotl
17:43 / 15.06.04
I'd like to come in with a measured response about how coppers do a hard job with little respect yadda yadda yadda. However I can't because everytime I have met one they've been cunts, even when I was an innocent child of about 7 and I got interrogated by one about teenagers playing on the railways, I think it was the first time an adult didn't believe me when I was telling the truth. Also on a paper-round (because that's what all the thugs do: get up at 6:00 to deliver papers) when they accused of having knicked my bike. Right up to the time I got hurled up against a wall for having the temerity to suggest that they were being a little harsh towards someone.
Every single time I have met a copper, off duty as well as on, they have been absolute bastards. Petty, power hungry jumped up little hitlers every single one.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:24 / 15.06.04
Never been arrested, but I've had a few close calls.

How I feel about cops depends on where I am. My experiences down south were all bad. Fucking small college town police with nothing to do...my dorm room got raided, but all they found was an old homemade bong. No charges.

Up here in Detroit, if you're white and you get pulled over downtown, they'll scare you and maybe take your drugs, but they won't arrest you for minor shit like having a few grams of pot lying around. Then they'll tell you that you don't belong there and to get the hell out. The last time I got pulled over, my buddy got arrested (he had a warrant) and I had to play it cool while tripping on shrooms, praying that the cop wouldn't find my stash in the glovebox (the most obvious of hiding places). He found it. And took it. I drove home minus a gram of pot, but otherwise alright.
 
 
Nobody's girl
01:16 / 16.06.04
I'm really very priviledged when it comes to interacting with cops, I can say those five magic words-

"My father is a lawyer."

Sekhmet- you were really lucky, Oklahoma has harsh drug laws.

Eric Schlosser talks about it in "Reefer Madness"-

"Oklahoma today has a well-deserved reputation for being the worst place in the United States to be caught with marijuana. On June 11, 1992, Larry Jackson, a small-time crook with a lengthy record of non-violent offences, was arrested at a friend's Tulsa apartment. On the floor near Jackson's right foot a police officer noticed a miniscule amount of marijuana- 0.16 of a gram, which is 0.005644 of an ounce. Jackson was charged with felony possession of marijuana, convicted and given a life sentence [my italics]. In Oklahoma City, Leland James Dodd was given two life sentences, plus ten years for buying 50 pounds of marijuana froma undercover police officers in a "reverse sting".
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
04:56 / 16.06.04
I've only really ever had minor encounters with the police, and they have generally been favorable (the chief exception being a terrifying but thankfully un-thorough search many years ago). The experiences of other people I know have ranged from really good to really bad. The good would include being driven across town to a friend's apartment after getting stranded in a dodgy area with no money (although the stranded person did happen to be a very pretty girl). The bad would include the experience of a friend of my younger brother, who spent part of his eighteenth birthday being beaten by four or five officers for giving them 'lip' after a mistaken arrest (the lip being 'I didn't do anything', the mistake being that it was a totally different person who had been pissing about at the club he got picked up outside of). When his mother came to get him from the cells he had handprint bruises on his neck from being choked unconscious while handcuffed in the back of a police van.

I guess you could sum up my attitude to the police as wary. I am aware that they do what is sometimes an extremely unpleasant job, but I am also aware that you sometimes encounter extremely unpleasant people doing this job. The fact that, often, the people who get the worst treatment from the cops seem to be those who have the least recourse (poor people, 'bad' kids) certainly doesn't do anything for me PR-wise.
 
 
Z. deScathach
05:42 / 16.06.04
When I was young, I was in a house with some friends, and we were passing around some pot. A cop showed up at the door. My friend let him in, to find us all huffing and puffing from hiding everything. The cop said, "Can I have some of that good shit?" And he did...... I think the strangest thing about it was that no matter how many times we passed the pipe, I kept expecting him to arrest us when it got to him...
 
 
Sax
07:09 / 16.06.04
Shut it, you slags.

 
 
illmatic
07:12 / 16.06.04
The cops and drugs thing has reminde me of an anecdote - an accquaintance of mine got nicked in *a town in the midlands that will remain nameless* with a quarter of hash and 50 pills. He was let out and had to reprt back a fortnight later to see what the charges were to be - he got a caution for the hash, the pills having msteriously disappeared.
 
 
aluhks SMASH!
07:54 / 16.06.04
I've never had any real run-ins with the police, but I do have a sort of friend who's working as the local cop in charge of towing illegally parked cars. He gets a frightening degree of pleasure out of it and every so often will mutter comments about how much fun it would be to violently break up local college parties.

I in turn make less and less of an effort to have anything to do with him.
 
 
Ganesh
08:14 / 16.06.04
"What do you think you're doing, pig?
Do you really give a fig, pig?
And what's your favourite sort of gig, pig?
Barry Manilow?
Or the Black & White Minstrel Show?"


Yay, Kitten!

I've dealt with the police in a variety of contexts, usually psychiatry-related. Carrying out a Mental Health Act assessment at someone's home, for example, often involves the police (sometimes even the dramatically-monickered 'Enforcer' with his Freudian battering-ram, to break the door down). More often than not, they're exceptionally helpful (more so the older and/or female officers), just the right degree of unobtrusive, and I'm glad to have them around. In that situation, they're generally very respectful of us doctors. I'm clearly getting older, though, because they seem almost comically neonatal.

Then there are the situations where they bring someone who's been behaving "oddly" to a psychiatric hospital for assessment, under a separate section of the Mental Health Act. Typically, they want to dump the individual and head off elsewhere, but strictly speaking, they're obliged to wait with them until the assessment's over - so there's often some resentment there, especially if we decide not to offer/force admission.

Probably the least pleasant psychiatry/police dynamic takes place when we ('we' being myself and a social worker) are asked to assess someone they're holding in the police cells. Not only is the setting not particularly conducive to psychiatric interview, but often the police - particularly if they're young, male and excitable - have already made their minds up about the individual concerned, and will vigorously argue diagnosis with one afterwards. Commonly, we'll arrive at the station, having perused the relevant psychiatric casenotes (typically, the individual has an antisocial personality disorder, and feigns severe psychotic illness in order to avoid legal consequences for their actions) and (eventually) be ushered in by a gushy young PC, who'll enthuse about how "maaad" this one is. On one memorable occasion, they'd even 'helpfully' arranged for ambulance-men to be sitting ready to transport the individual to hospital. Of course, the sociopath himself's supposed hallucinations, etc. are fairly transparent, and we then have to explain to disappointed/incredulous/stroppy officers that, just because something looks vaguely like a duck and sounds vaguely like a duck, doesn't mean it is a duck. Given that they're ready to believe that people will lie in almost any other situation, the police often seem particularly slow to grasp the concept of feigning mental disorder to escape responsibility. Also similar is the situation whereby someone known to psychiatrists (but responsible for their actions) repeatedly assaults staff, who eventually decide to press charges - and the police drag their feet. There seems to be a widespread feeling that, if someone's got a diagnosis (whatever that diagnosis), then assaults on psychiatric staff are less serious than assaults on anyone else.

Aaand, of course, there's the opposite situation, where they've decided in advance that this or that individual is a 'villain' (they really do talk in terms of 'villains', 'bad'uns' and 'nasty pieces of work') and we're the wishy-washy liberals come to get them off the hook. The fact that the person concerned is genuinely, acutely unwell with a copper-bottomed diagnosis of schizophrenia and/or learning disability seems largely secondary.

So... the cusp of legal/mental health service is often charged with dynamic more rooted in cliche and stereotype than anything else. I've lost count, for example, of the number of times it's been automatically assumed that a black colleague is actually the patient...

I did see another side of things once, when I had a motorcycle cop as a psychotherapy patient. He'd see me once a week, often straight off his shift, and not infrequently, still in his leathers (needless to say, it was often difficult to maintain the requisite degree of inscrutable 'reflection'...). Rather sad chap, who felt constrained by a marriage and children he'd been manoevred into quite young, and with fantasies of just riding past the house and into the sunset. I've since heard it said that those who become motorbike policemen are often 'misfits' in one way or another, and generally distrusted by their colleagues.

In terms of more personal encounters with our Boys in Blue, there's the time they failed to come round and visit us after twats in the same Edinburgh stairwell vandalised our door; or the time they stopped me at 4am on a deserted Central Scotland motorway (I was on-call) to tell me I wasn't going near-enough to the speed limit; or the time a friend's bag was stolen, (amazingly) recovered along with the thief, and they tried to persuade her to say she'd been carrying £200, in order to "make the little bastard pay" (she refused).

I guess it's this latter element which makes me wary: the fact that individual officers (probably necessarily) have a certain leeway in how they can interpret and/or enforce the law, and on occasion this is heavily shaped by their own sense of justice/fairness - and, having seen the somewhat hit-and-miss way they approach the mentally-ill, I often don't have a vast amount of confidence in their ability to Do The Right Thing.

Bleh. That was a bit of a ramble...
 
 
illmatic
08:22 / 16.06.04
Ganesh, I realise I'm opening up a whole off topic barrel of worms here but how exactly do you define something like "antisocial personality disorder"? Do you regard this as a psychatic disorder? Where do your draw the line?
 
 
Ganesh
08:38 / 16.06.04
No, I regard it as the extreme end of a particular dimension of personality; categorical classification is, as with all personality definition, problematic but useful shorthand. It requires a thread of its own, really, Illmatic. I'm also pretty sure there's stuff on it already, if you do a search...
 
 
the cat's iao
06:48 / 17.06.04
…though the guy who caught me did lie in court…The guy who caught me stated in court that he saw me writing on the side on the train, which wasn't true. Whether he was lying deliberately or just got mixed up I never knew.

Yeah geez, this happened to me too! Call me a cynic (with respect to this), but I think that it is more often than not that, if a cop lies in court, then it is deliberate and not by accident. I mean, they keep notes and such on what they did and how things went down! Although, I do feel it might be to make their cases more in accord with the arrests they’ve made under such and such a set of laws…whether this is only bad or sometimes reasonable—well, it’s a tough call. People everywhere cheat a little to get the job done.

In my particular case (nine years ago now) I was right angry with the officer in question. I had been apprehended for the possession of a controlled substance (read: “two grams of hash”). The circumstances of my apprehension were very dubious indeed. It was certainly harassment and I do feel it was an illegal search, but when no one else is around to witness two cops tossing me out of the blue, well…

Anyway, the cop totally made up a story about what happened on the stand. “It was a routine stop,” he said. I wonder how many routine stops require a parked SUV to suddenly drive a block and a half the wrong way down a one way street? “I reeked of hash,” he said. Funny, because I hadn’t actually smoked any, but had smoked a little bit of pot several hours earlier—and then went and played some hacky-sac for a couple hours with a group of friends in a parking lot under the street lamps. If I reeked of anything, then it was probably sweat!

Well, of course, the officer’s testimony was believed over mine, but like I said, without any witnesses—they are hard to come by at three in the morning when a person is walking home in Ded Rear—I was pretty much screwed. So like I said, I was pretty pissed at the whole thing. After the judge found me guilty, and we were all outside the courtroom, the cop was standing around with a couple of his police buddies smiling and talking about something or other (“another good day in court,” “another job well done”—who knows?). So I go walking up to him and hold out my hand to shake. He looks a little surprised as I say, “I’d like to thank you,” but he takes my hand and we start to shake. This is when I look him in the eye and repeat, “I’d like to thank you,” and then add, “for lying in court.”

Well, his grip immediately tightened on my hand, and there was no way he was letting go at that moment. He looked at me very coldly and stated, “those weren’t lies.” I was a little shocked at the strength of his grip, and didn’t say anything at that point, but after a few moments he let go.

So I walked a few steps away and then turned around, and raised my voice, “what kind of cop are you any way? Telling lies in court!” He gave me quite a cold look and said something, but I can’t recall—I was pretty frazzled. So I went outside to have a smoke and calm down a little before getting my papers from some clerk at some desk. I’m sitting there in front of the courthouse and the cop and his buddies walk out. He immediately sees me there and starts again with the hard stare and I’m staring back. As he walks by he stops and says, “You know, you’re going to pay for what you said in there. Me and my friends know your name and we’ll be looking for you.”

Well, I think I was speechless because what can you say to being threatened with future harassment when it comes from the law? So I don’t recall saying anything and simply puffing on my cigarette as he and his buddies walk away. But then, as he’s about fifteen feet away, he turns around with this sarcastic grin and gives me a peace sign, saying with sarcasm to match his look, “Peace, love, dope.”

Well fuck that! I stood up, held out my right hand in the sign of the Devil and shouted “SATAN!”

Maybe I’m lucky, but I never saw that cop or his buddies again…
 
 
Nobody's girl
08:13 / 17.06.04
He immediately sees me there and starts again with the hard stare and I’m staring back. As he walks by he stops and says, “You know, you’re going to pay for what you said in there. Me and my friends know your name and we’ll be looking for you.”

God, what a tosser! If that had happened to me I'd be frothing at the mouth with rightous fury.

Your account underlines my problem with the police. It's the age old conundrum- those who are attracted to the power of being a police officer are exactly those who ought not to get it. Like politicians
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:05 / 17.06.04
So, is it just me, or is it the case that people are getting very upset here about the behaviour of the police in situations where they were apprehended under suspicion of offences of which they were completely guilty?
 
 
Bear
11:07 / 17.06.04
The only officer I had problems with was the guy who lived down the road from me, he didn't like me because I went home with his wife - furkin cops. It's not even illegal!
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:37 / 17.06.04
Bad Bear

Hmm. I have 'issues' with police. I'm aware that some of them are pretty irrational/stem from an upbringing of 'don't trust the police, they're racist'/experiences that my parents had of outright racism, which were 20 years ago.

Some of them, on the other hand, stem from having been in stop-and-search situations twice. Where I've been in a car with my sister, driving through london lateish at night.

Which is obviously reason enough for police to stop us, question us about where we're going, search the car. And then send us on our way, with no sign of an apology, explanation or acknowledgement that actually, there was no earthly reason for them to do the S&S.

Again, on both occasions they were youngish, white, male.

Now, I'm not saying it was because we weren't whit-- actually, yep, I am.

I'm also noticeably less surprised than most white friends by the BBC tapes showing racist bullying at a police college. Was what I expected. I admire (ethnic) minority police people, but I wouldn't do it in a million years.

I do go along with the view the the police force is institutionally racist. Individuals may not be, of course.

But I do make the assumption that they are, too often.

In a counselling course, was brought up against my prejudices hard, by being encouraged to work with a guy who was a security consultant/ex-copper. Made me realise how strong my prejudices are. I'd basically decided he was a wanker/homophobe on our first conversation.

And while we did have to agree to disagree on some stuff, he was a good guy and made me see alot more of how the police do alot of scary, neccessary work.

On the other hand, have a friend who is an LGBT liaison officer, and while ze's making progress, it's tough going.

Essentially, I guess I see the police as one of the most conservative facets of our society, and one that's not likely to have my best interests at heart.
 
 
Ganesh
11:42 / 17.06.04
Mmm. I probably ought to add that I've had several patients - including gay and transsexual individuals - who are themselves police officers, and who've bucked some of my own assumptions about homophobia/transphobia within the force.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
17:10 / 17.06.04
I've had no personal encounters with the police, but in my brother's line of work, he sees the Toronto Metro force in action quite a bit. His firm opinion is that if the cops are bothering you, you've probably brought it on yourself.

So I say, “Well, there’s got to be at least one other one, ‘cause I ain’t done anything! You’re wasting your time.” Well they’d have none of it of course—they slap on the cuffs.

Maybe you should have been polite. Only an idiot mouths off to a man with a gun and a club.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:35 / 17.06.04
Unless you don't give a fuck if you get hit with a stick again. You sort of get used to it. And really, where I live, everyone has a gun. It doesn't really stop anyone from acting like an asshole unless it's pointed directly at you.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
22:39 / 19.06.04
His firm opinion is that if the cops are bothering you, you've probably brought it on yourself

Quite possibly this is often the case. but what if the colour of your skin offends the police officer?

In the UK at least, we're hearing more and more reports of how racism *is* institutionalised in police forces, how colour of skin often=different treatment.
 
 
the cat's iao
00:03 / 20.06.04
His firm opinion is that if the cops are bothering you, you've probably brought it on yourself.

Yes, I’m going to quote this too. I noticed someone else up thread had made this statement earlier, but I merely ignored it then. But…

I mean, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but surely as there is no such thing as a sure thing, well, this opinion is a bit crap. A generalization is of course false. Now it is certainly true in some cases, and hell, it might even be true in many cases, but it is not true in all and every case. Seeing as you, Faust, have had no personal encounters with the police, well, I wonder why you seem to quote your brother’s opinion in a manner that sorta’ makes it seem that it is also your opinion?

There are all sorts of things that can offend a given police officer. Your skin colour (as bengali indicates) can be one, the way you look can be another, the colour of your hair, and so on. I mean who knows what sorts of prejudices any given person has? While it would be nice and cozy if we lived in some sort of utopia where every officer of the law was able to do his or her job impartially and fairly it is simply not the case that this is so.

I’ve had many encounters with the police—not all of them bad; however, more often than not they have been questionable regarding the motivations of the officer. Sometimes you simply hook up with the wrong authority figure at the wrong time and shit happens. Kinda’ like Johnny O’Clock mentions about not minding if you get hit with the stick again. And while I have actually never been physically harmed by any police officer (thank my lucky stars), I certainly have been in situations where the officer in question has exercised his or her power as an authority in an unjust manner.

Now, there are options, of course. One option is to cower under the shadow of such authority. Another might be to act as calm and civil as possible and hope it all works out, and yet another is to stand up for yourself, if only a little. I’ve taken at least these three options on different occasions. Sometimes the polite option still gets you pushed around (not necessarily in a physical sense). Sometimes police are simply goons and sometimes you need to be a little mouthy and show that even in the face of a person armed with a club, pepper spray, and a gun, you are not afraid.
 
  

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