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So how you going to vote?

 
 
rizla mission
20:55 / 02.06.04
Just wondering,
what are UK residents making of the lead-up to this upcoming election (of sorts)?

I'll admit I haven't been that in touch with political news etc. recently, but.. it looks like being a weird one.

Suddenly there seem to be new 'other' parties - left, right and completely indefinable - popping up all over the place.. what's the deal with this 'Respect Coalition'? Who the hell are the 'Democratic Alliance'? How dangerous is the emergence of, and increasing amount of press devoted to, these new right wing / isolationist parties? Will all this mob be presenting a significant challenge to the big 3? Will something, please god ANYTHING, happen to stop the Tories gaining lots of power?

Answers to all these questions and more invited.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
22:23 / 02.06.04
Scottish Wind Watch

Hmmm... I don't think I'll be voting for them. Don't you just love single issue parties?
 
 
rizla mission
07:33 / 03.06.04
I think I'll vote for them, whether they're standing in Wales or not!
 
 
Psi-L is working in hell
09:20 / 03.06.04
I guess a positive outcome of all these new right wing/isolationist parties is that it will split the right wing vote, giving the Tories far less of an impact....one can hope anyway?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:32 / 03.06.04
I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the following...

It's fairly well-known that in 1983, Peter Tatchell lost the safe Labour seat of Bermondsey to Simon Hughes (now the Lib Dem candidate for Mayor), and that this was largely due to press/media vilification of Tatchell on the basis of his sexuality, the extent to which his principles/policies were left-wing, and his support for gay/queer rights. Few people seem to dispute that the Lib Dem party capitalised on this, and that campaigners emphasised Hughes' Christianity to woo homophobic voters.

What hasn't been clarified is the extent of Hughes' involvement or complicity in this. On the one hand I've read (second-hand) that Tatchell has since shared platforms with Hughes (which would imply he doesn't hold him responsible - although Tatchell is backing the Green candidate for Mayor) and that Hughes is in no way homophobic himself; on the other hand some people clearly *do* think that Hughes exploited the issue to win over homophobic voters, and see it as a reason not to vote for him as Mayor (and if it's true, I agree with them).

Mind you, I may well end voting Respect as first choice, Ken as second in the Mayoral election anyway...
 
 
Axolotl
11:07 / 03.06.04
I don't know how I'm going to vote really. I don't know enough about the Respect Coalition as yet to fully commit to them, but in my neck of the wood, it's the big 3, or some crazy right wing single issue party, or Respect. So really it looks like Respect win by default. The fucking BNP put a leaflet through my door the other day; I just wish I'd been there to catch the scum. Bastards.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:55 / 03.06.04
I have a certain love for Lindsey German, I've seen her speak a few times and she warms my toes up.

I'm voting Green in the European elections and Lib Dem in the locals.
 
 
rizla mission
21:16 / 03.06.04
I might have to end up voting for the Respect people too, just by default. Their apparent militant anti-Europe stance strikes me as a bit weird though, given their straightforward left-wing positions on most other things..

I would vote Green, but I have it on good authority that the local Green candidate is a bit of dubious character with slight cult leader tendencies, so... don't particularly want to vote for him. And the Lib Dems seem to be running on a 'local issues'/old people platform of "let's clean up graffiti and hire more policemen and build more parking spaces!", which needless to say I'm not really very down with..
 
 
■
11:27 / 04.06.04
I will vote using the same method that has worked in the past. Email the candidates a couple of days before the election and see if they can give me three simple reasons to vote for them. As only the Greens have ever replied, they usually get mine.
 
 
Sax
13:12 / 04.06.04
I'll be voting by post this year, as part of the Great Postal Vote Experiment Which Makes It Much Easier For The BNP To Strongarm People Into Voting For Them By Threatening Them With Clawhammers On Their Own Doorsteps.

Which, sadly, also cancels out my annual visit to the local primary school.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:47 / 04.06.04
Did a postal vote at the start of the week as I'll be manning a polling station come Thursday. Ken for mayor with Simon as my second choice, then greens the rest of the way.

Maybe I'm deluding myself but I think voting for Ken is more important now that he's rejoined Labour than when he was independent, if he wins it shows Blair that the public will vote for someone who really has Labour principles at heart, of course for this to work Labour have to be trounced in everything else.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:50 / 05.06.04
The (Christian) Democrat people on the Welsh ballot are actually quite scary if you do a little research on them, Riz. They have a few seemingly good policies, then go and say something like this;

"Regarding the claims that the election broadcast was homophobic, Rev Hargreaves commented, "The claim is ridiculous. Indeed, the term "homophobic" - which speaks of fear of homosexuals - is not applicable to our broadcast or party. As Christians 'we love the sinner, whilst hating the sin'. "

Better than the BNP, like - but hmmm.

As to how I will vote in this election, I'll vote the same way as ever - by making a cross on a ballot paper. (Boom, boom)
 
 
Jester
20:51 / 05.06.04
Because I am terminably lazy, and moved house around the time they were sending out the forms for registering last year, I officially can't vote this year Really dumb of me.

Anyway, I would be voting for Ken if I was voting, and then the Green candidate no doubt. Voting for the Greens in the European election is a bit different though, because they (the last time I checked) are rather anti-Europe on the whole.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:55 / 09.06.04
Looking at their website the Greens seem to be pretty pro-Europe and pro-'working with people rather than shouting at them like the Tories and New Labia'.
 
 
illmatic
12:45 / 09.06.04
Got this email from a mate of mine:

I'd like to see a big vote for the Green Party in London ( and beyond) this thursday they actually already have seats in the GLA and in the European Paliment, its important they they keep those seat as and if possible win more - if you're not sure why you should vote Green or if you should vote Green then read below - if you know any one who you think might be intrested then please pass this on.


Don't forget: Election day is THIS Thursday , June 10th.

The campaign is going well with record-breaking amounts of media coverage getting the Green message out to an ever-wider audience.

In London, we have three members on the outgoing London Assembly and one MEP, all elected on the Londonwide lists, we are hoping to increase this number of Green Party elected members.

We believe this is not only possible but likely,...given your help.

There is a great deal of goodwill towards the Green message amongst ordinary voters. But goodwill is not enough... we need votes on June 10th.

If you would like to turn this election into a Green landslide, please take the time to forward this email to your interested friends, asking them to
vote Green in the GLA Londonwide List, Constituency, Mayor and Euro List.



A Green vote is a vote FOR the environment, recycling, cycling, better public transport.

A Green vote is a vote for policies on equality and social justice that lead to safer local communities and more equitable world.

A Green vote is a vote for an improved and accessible health service and against GM food.

A Green vote is a vote for the protection of wildlife and for animal rights, safe, clean, renewable energy and a world where quality for life is more
important than the grotesque profiteering of multinational corporations.

A Green vote is a vote for peace.

If this is what you want, not just for you, but for your friends, family and community, please vote Green in the coming elections, and by forwarding this
email give others the chance to do so...perhaps for the first time in their life.


Thank you on behalf of the Green Party for wanting to make this world a better place.

(Published and promoted by Chris Cotton on behalf of London Green Party, both at 1a Waterlow Road, London N19 5NJ. )

website: www.london.greenparty.org.uk
 
 
illmatic
13:08 / 09.06.04
And there's an interesting article in The Guardian here - interesting, 'cos it shows the amount of disillusionment with the current shower of bastards.
 
 
sleazenation
08:14 / 10.06.04
I have voted. The rest is between me and the ballot box.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:13 / 10.06.04
Enormously helpful.
 
 
sleazenation
10:31 / 10.06.04
Which bit?

What I found scary was that The BNP were fielding more candidates in the European elections than the Conservatives...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
21:23 / 10.06.04
And I reserve (what?), the right to live (where?), my life this way (how?), I couldn't give, a damn when I (what?), hear people say (who?), I'll pay the price, that others pay,
cause it's worth it, yes it's worth living for...


I've come back from polling with the PSB on my discman and a stupid gumby smile on my face. Our best estimate is about a 50% turnout, which if replicated means that our Euro MPs will have a greater mandate from the people than their brethren in Westminster.

Things started slowly and predictably when we opened, an average of twenty to thirty peopleper hour from seven a.m. through to about four or five p.m. Then people started coming. And kept coming. And kept coming. Traditionally Euro-elections have the lowest turnouts and although we thought things might be a little better because we also had the London Assembly and Mayor elections too. By the end of the day we had 600 people at our station. There were two stations so double that for our ward, roughly two thousand people apiece, so four thousand, loose an estimated four hundred people who had proxy votes. Still very low, but compare that to numbers for the last general election, Labour winning with less than fifty percent of the vote.

Like I say, it's too early to talk about results. But we had people literally voting up to the last available minute, at fifteen minutes to the close of poll we'd normally have taken most of the posters down and done all the cleaning up we could, flicking blu-tack at one another and counting the minutes, we were still giving out ballot papers. People were good natured and happy, but there was something making them angry.

The next bit is even more highly subjective, by which I mean that it might not even be true, I may be misremembering. As far as I can judge, against my previous experience at this polling station and my knowledge of the area, the white share of the vote today was low, but on a general level with previous votes. The non-white vote, which was mainly Indians and Middle-South Africa was up. We had entire families coming to vote and confering about their vote. Old octagenarians with their children and grandchildren coming to vote, we've had some of this before, but nowhere near this level before. If you could look through our electoral rolls, you'd see entire groups of families that have come out and voted, unprecendented.

I would guess that Europe hasn't been much of an issue in our area, maybe there's a strong non-white vote against the perceived danger of the BNP, who had candidates on each ballot paper, but I would guess that the most obvious thing would be the Iraq war. I'm worried that rejoining Labour may have turned out to be a bad misjudgement for Ken Livingstone.

I'm hoping this doesn't turn out to be a hugely undeserved victory for Conservatives, that people don't forget the Eighties and Nineties and vote Tory as a protest rather than for a useful party, but we will see tomorrow. But what I know now is that today the 'norms', the 'mundanes', the 'sheeple', the ones 'still plugged into the Matrix', for a moment woke up and flexed their muscles. And it was amazing to see.
 
 
_Boboss
08:38 / 11.06.04
only the euros round my way, so voted libdem as i know the man who leads them in europe and he's very nice. loads of 'err...no' parties on the ballot: english democratic party [sound like fascists to me], bnp, ukip, tories and labour, so yr left with galloway's trot pugs, the greens, the old folk's party [probably get me vote next time], an indie hero, some other brighton enviro-mentalist gang and the orangeys. i'd like it if charles kennedy were to shave his head and play up the toughguy eggy [don't call me]ginge angle, appeal to the phil mitchell constituents and lead england forever.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
10:38 / 11.06.04
I felt the need to ditch Ken to second place on the Mayoral forms because I'm sure that he's going to need to toe the line if he wants his funding streams to remain intact.

I'm confident that he'll get in but there needs to be a bit of message sending gong on there.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
10:53 / 11.06.04
yeah also voted for Ken as my second choice. first choice being Respect as i am an old school red but don't seriously expect them to get elected.
for Europe and the London Assembly i voted green.
 
 
Spaniel
11:37 / 11.06.04
From the English Democrats' website

The people of England have been badly let down, ignored and taken for granted by successive governments who have squandered our taxes on their political idealism. Let down by self serving career politicians whose only concern is their own advancement.

We are the only party that is listening to the people of England. Our views represent the common sense concerns of the silent majority. Our policies share one criteria - they put our country first.

English Democrats are people from widely varying backgrounds and from all parts of England. We are fed up and frustrated by the failure of politicians to address our concerns. We are not extremists, we are people like you - people who are concerned about what is happening to our country and to our culture.


What they don't like:

Immigration
Europe
The United Kingdom (apparently)

Sound like a luverly bunch, don't they?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:13 / 11.06.04
I don't suppose if we have any anti-fascists on the board who know whether the English Democrats are an offshoot of the BNP after some internal ructions or whether they're completely new on the scene?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
12:48 / 11.06.04
There's nothing on the ANL website about it (their search function appears to be a basically a way of turning Google yellow) but this indicates that the English Democrats are, essentially, an offshoot of the BNP.

It looked to me like there was a really good turnout where yesterday too, although I wasn't working so can't really compare it to other times. I went to the polling station at half nine in the pm and there was still a regular flow of people, far more than in the other European elections I've voted in...
 
  
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