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Hunter-viral sigils

 
 
eeoam
09:59 / 02.06.04
do you need to charge hunter-viral sigils like normal sigils before you start plastering them everywhere?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:24 / 02.06.04
Define what you mean by hunter-viral sigil. Are you just talking about going out tagging, but using a tag that's been generated from a statement of intent? I think the whole thing of "charging" a sigil with "gnosis" is a big misnomer anyway, but that's possibly a different thread. What are you trying to accomplish with this work and how are you approaching it?
 
 
eeoam
14:24 / 02.06.04
I want to create a viral sigil in the tradition of the Macdonalds M that will encourage people to buy the product to which it is attached. Why do you consider the charging of a sigil a misnomer?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
17:30 / 02.06.04
Why do you consider the charging of a sigil a misnomer?

Because I’m not convinced it’s the best or most accurate way of describing the actual processes that seem to go on when you interact with a visual representation of a statement of intent. It implies that the sigil is somehow energised or filled with “stuff” generated via an intense state of consciousness, as if, say, the human orgasm produces some unquantifiable “energy” that somehow floods into the little picture you’ve drawn and makes magic happen. I’m really not convinced that’s what happens when you work sigil magic. For instance, there’s an alternative model of sigil sorcery that posits that the sigilised intent imbeds itself in your deep mind when your conscious mind is otherwise distracted by an excitatory or inhibitory state. Which is quite a different sort of process...

I’m not 100% convinced that either model is entirely accurate, but I’d speculate that talking about “charging sigils with gnosis” is just simplified babytalk for something else, and as such it tends to dissuade practitioners from looking more closely at what that something else might conceivably be. Linguistically, it tends to create a model of magic that is functional and mechanical, rather than creative and interactive. As if all you need to do is follow steps A, B, and C in order to produce effect Z, without any thought, imagination or emotional investment feeding into the process. I don’t personally think that magic works like that, it’s a far more twisty and unpredictable beast. I think that a lot of the time people seem to shoehorn their results to fit this model just because it is repeated in a lot of books and on a lot of websites, as opposed to looking objectively at what is actually happening and building a personal model of magic based on that experience.

I want to create a viral sigil in the tradition of the Macdonalds M that will encourage people to buy the product to which it is attached.

Quit the magic and get a job in marketing.
 
 
Warewullf
18:06 / 02.06.04
there’s an alternative model of sigil sorcery that posits that the sigilised intent imbeds itself in your deep mind when your conscious mind is otherwise distracted by an excitatory or inhibitory state

That's what happens when you charge using, as per your example, orgasm. It's not that the actual act of orgasming "generates energy" to literally "charge" the sigil, it's that the moment of orgasm causes a brief ceasation of thought and opens a doorway (pardon the fluffy speech) to the subconcious mind. You're just using sex as a way of implanting the sigil.

Saying "Charging" can be misleading. It's not so much that you are charging the sigil so much as it is charging you.

You don't put anything into it, it puts itself into you.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:27 / 03.06.04
I want to create a viral sigil in the tradition of the Macdonalds M that will encourage people to buy the product to which it is attached.

But is that what logos do - i.e encourage people to buy the product they're associated with? Isn't it a bit more complex than that?

And why say "hunter-viral sigil" when 'logo' will do?
 
 
illmatic
07:06 / 03.06.04
there’s an alternative model of sigil sorcery that posits that the sigilised intent imbeds itself in your deep mind when your conscious mind is otherwise distracted by an excitatory or inhibitory state

With no offence intended to the posters above, I've got big reservations about that model of magick as well. It seems to me that the key point of sigils and magick is focusing on something then "letting go" - being unselfconscious, forgetting about whatever it is. A couple of times I've had results manifest in accordance with my intent before I've actually got around to doing any sigil charging or whatever. I think they worked because after a period of concentration, I'd put them on a mental back burner because I was too busy, couldn't be bothered and so on ie. I'd let the intention go, along with all the challenges to my ego like "will it work? Won't it work". Next thing you know, bingo bango, there's your result.

With regard to your initial query, just try it and see what happens.
 
 
illmatic
07:40 / 03.06.04
As if all you need to do is follow steps A, B, and C in order to produce effect Z, without any thought, imagination or emotional investment feeding into the process.


Gypsy, stop ripping off Pete Carroll's "Equations of Magick".
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:54 / 03.06.04
And why say "hunter-viral sigil" when 'logo' will do? ...cause it is no board for marketing or advertisement i´d guess but I really like that *hunter-viral* construction...
To the question of *charging* :

To my mind sigill-wanking is a stage which almost every person working with sigills comes across and I am qiet sure that it is not wrong to *charge* your sigill by visualizing while having a climax if this feels to be the appropriate method....but if you work a lot with sigill you´ll find this quite exhausting *ggg* Well, let me come to that *corporate-identity-sigill*: Few months ago I started an underground-goa project for which I designed the logo...The project is not underground anymore...so I quit...A logo is connected with the product you want to sell so it has got to contain the information of that product as a picture...the party-project I participated in is called "Pi-the infinite circus" so the logo I designed had this information in its structure...apart from this I included other symbols in the design: runes that have the association intended, circles [ten=ten disks=minor arcana..]
THe structure in itself should carry enough impact on the recipient to make any further ritual futile except the ritual of manufacturing or selling a good product.
You want to trigger your symbol into the sub-conscience of a lot of people to make profit...the only decent *charge*`of such a sigill is that the product is one you believe in and that it is worth the money otherwise you will probably be charged a fortune of karma-dollar [ey, wanna sign for the karmacard Lithium edition *ggg*]

Hope instant karma won´t get you
Hope my message is of some*value* for you

Besides: *Hunter-viral* gives quite negative vibes....Me as a consumer..I dislike if somebody hunts me and if somebody wishes to infect me I can become quite straight..

111 charged wishes

from Abila
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:41 / 03.06.04
This might be a good time to unpack this whole notion of 'charging' a magical object (in this case a sigil). The concept of "charging" seems to me to be concerned with imbuing an object with power. Now some folk have conflated power with "energy" - there does seem to be an equation drawn between effort expended, energy, and success (in terms of desired outcome, etc.) However, the basics of the concept seems to be that of changing or redefining the item concerned -for example, from being an 'everyday' object to a locus of heightened significance.
 
 
eye landed
09:54 / 05.06.04
You are attaching your synaptic representation of the sigil or object to synapses it was not previously attached to. While this *rarely* changes the object's physical properties such as appearance, it changes the object's 'place' in your brain-world construction.

Less like putting something into a box, less like taking something from a box...more like changing the box's place in your well-organized labyrinth of boxes.

Quite similar to banishing rituals, in which you create a network of 'safety' synapes to guard your magickal synapes and regulate their mingling with the mundane ones. With charging, you reroute a sigil's synapses through different symbols. Pardon me.

I expect logos can 'work' charged or not charged. If your goal for the sigil is explicit (you want people to buy your product) then I recommend bending your magickal efforts towards creation of an appealing sigil, and leave that final sigil uncharged. If your goal is hidden (maybe you want to connect the success of your logo/product with some other aspect of your experience) then charging would probably help you, as it would smooth out those wrinkles and rough edges in your imperfect mind.
 
 
nidu713
05:40 / 06.06.04
Quit the magic and get a job in marketing.

...or instead get a job in marketing and use the skills to incorporate your magickal intents... or get a job in marketing as part of fulfilling your magickal intents.

Don't quit the magick... unless of course you want to.
 
  
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