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Slooooow music - Earth, Khanate, Sunn0)))

 
 
Freakuency
22:07 / 01.06.04
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before as a topic...But, what do you all think of these bands? Cant call them 'stoner', cant call them 'doom', but they play really slow music. Is anybody else interested in that sort of stuff? I cant actually pin this down to a genre but I'm talking about albums like "Pentastar-In The Style of Demons" by Earth or even "Lysol" by the Melvins... What do you think of the possibilities of this sort of slow stuff? Bands like Khanate and Sunn0))) seem to be taking in to a next level- and that's just mentioning two of the most 'well-known' examples. Does anybody else see how great slooooooow (as opposed to just slow) music is? Any good suggestions on any new music of the sort?
 
 
at the scarwash
23:00 / 01.06.04
What about the insanely good "Jerusalem" by Sleep? Four chords, nothing but the most rudimentary molten-iron guitar solos, gravel-bucket vocals intoning the epic journeys of the "Weedians."
 
 
rizla mission
23:13 / 01.06.04
I've been really into this kind of stuff recently, although I've sadly failed to get round to listening to SunOO))) or Khanate.

"Doom" does pretty well for me as a description, as long as you make sure to make a distinction between the good stuff and all the drippy gothic wank that gets classed as 'doom'.

I've been well into the Japanese band Boris - toootallly evil shit, they make the Melvins sound like the All Girl Summer Fun Band by comparison.. album titles like "Amplifier Worship" and "Feedbacker" tell you all you need to know really.

Also, you haven't so far mentioned the legendary Sleep, whose hour long explorations of single riffs are, well, quite something.

I'm also unhealthily obsessed by the band Reverend Bizarre, who operate in a slightly more traditional metal vein, singlemindedly churning out jaw-droppingly great post-Sabbath sludge epics, complemented by deadly serious growling operatic vocals so striking that you're not quite sure whether to laugh or just kneel in awe..
Worryingly, their singer calls himself Albert Witchfinder and looks rather like Hitler without the moustache..
 
 
Math is for suckers!
04:32 / 02.06.04
While they aren't quite as slow as the afore mentioned, both Pelican and Buried at Sea are extremely slow and extremely heavy. And surprisingly enough, they even have their moments of beauty. I highly reccomend both. And I second Boris.
 
 
Freakuency
05:22 / 02.06.04
Glad to see some responses...especially that one including the mighty "Jerusalem"...Boris are also an amazing band..The new Sunn0))) album 'White2' should be out recentky if not already...It features an amazing track called 'The Mysteries of Kali Yuga' which features Attila Csihar of Mayhem fame...20 minutes of mumbling and rumbling...perfect.

As far as the 'doom' description.... I think it's a bit more delicate than that..I hate pigeonholing but,when I think of 'doom' I also think Candlemass or Pentagram. And yeah that goth-tinged-metal that gets described as doom could also get under the 'doom' banner,so putting some horrible Katatonia copycat in the same 'sub-genre' as Pelican, doesnt really fit. But for instance, I could never call Earth a doom band, strictly. Anyway, this stuff gets all confusing when trying to give it a name..
 
 
rizla mission
10:48 / 02.06.04
Well basically every single band mentioned in this thread can eventually be traced back to Black Sabbath and Pentagram, right? I love both those bands hugely and tend to see them and all of their descendents, all the way from slightly gloomy stoner rock to full-on avant garde glacial death-noise, as being 'doom'.

Terrorizer magazine (ground zero for an insane amount of pointless sub-genre wrangling) draws a distinction between 'pure doom' (good stuff) and 'doomdeath' (My Dying Bride and the like), which I think works quite well.

Another name to add to the list, although I've never actually heard them: Skullflower seem to go down well with fans of this sort of thing.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:50 / 02.06.04
Loads of stuff on Southern Lord is good, particularly recommend Toadliquor. Also Neurosis and a band called Frown who have an album called 'Wallghost' which is spectacular.
I'll probably add more when I get home and can scan me records.
 
 
rizla mission
10:51 / 02.06.04
Attempting to download 'The Mysteries of Kali Yuga' as we speak, btw..

Attila Csihar is king of cool as far as I'm concerned; "fuuuuuuueeeneeeerrrraaarrrrlll fooooaaawwwwwgggg!!!" etc.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:52 / 02.06.04
Oh Fuck! I can't believe I nearly forgot Hatebeak!
A doomdronecore band...

with a parrot on vocals!

They're called Hatebeak...

And they have a parrot on vocals!

I shit you not!
 
 
Freakuency
23:32 / 02.06.04
Hatebeak...that really has to be checked out..any idea on labels?
Speaking of slow stuff, Ginungapap is an interesting more ambient droning sort of proposition. It's a Stephen O Malley thing-one of many. And speaking of Stephen O Malley how could I ever forget the amazing Burning Witch..'Crippled Lucifer' is a must..weird vocals and more of a 'classic'-ish sound...
 
 
uncle retrospective
05:26 / 03.06.04
Try Filth by Swans. Slow, evil and almost impossable to listen to. (You guys love a challenge)
 
 
Freakuency
09:18 / 03.06.04
Impossible to listen to, but also simply irresistible..In a rotten sort of way..Swans are(were) amazing, although I think they're really in a league of their own.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:59 / 03.06.04
Ha!, I eat swans for breakfast.
 
 
Lea-side
11:17 / 03.06.04
they can break yr arm y'know.......
 
 
grant
14:10 / 03.06.04
I've always liked Codeine, who weren't metal at all, and as I found this thread, the net radio started playing some Low, who are even slower. But not even crunchy.
Respectively, they're like Fugazi and Yo La Tengo played at about half to a quarter speed.

Which makes them oh so heavier.
 
 
Freakuency
15:52 / 03.06.04
I think it isnt even a matter of metal in the first place..It's just that music that leaves long g - a - p - s between notes or beats, is just so damn appealing.. I guess when the metal crunchiness comes in is when the slowness can get twisted..Something I really forgot to mention:Burzum! Yeah, I know they're considered black metal,but oh are they slow and monotonous..'Filosofem' is even perfect for tripping! (depending on what you want from your trip
 
 
rizla mission
21:06 / 03.06.04
Yeah! It's all about the gaps...

I absolutely love the way some of these ultra-evil doom metal tracks start, where it starts of with the bass or second guitar playing a single note quite quietly again and again - durdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdurdur ...

And after about 30 seconds of that, the primary guitar will kick in at about about 50 times the volume with a single powerchord SO HUGE that the reverberations from it last for about another 30 seconds -
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrr-eeeeee!

And that'll happen about three times before the guitar sloooowwlly manages to play more than one chord at a time and painstakingly forms itself into a subhumanly slow, primordial riff...

That's what it's all about really. Taking sluggish ultra-stoned caveman heavy metal to such a level of extremity that it becomes positively avant garde..

I got really psyched up about trying to start a doom metal band a few months ago, and tried to explain the above concept to some people, but they just weren't grasping it..

That's what it's all about.
 
 
grant
01:08 / 07.06.04
Rizla, why do we not live on the same continent?
 
 
Saveloy
10:59 / 09.06.04
You two should build your own continent in the middle of the atlantic, consisting of a stage and, above that, a moon-sized sphere made of speakers, powerful enough to be heard from each continent. It would be like an evil, scaled down verison of the sun, pumping psychadelic slowcore noise into the void instead of light and heat.
 
 
rizla mission
13:16 / 09.06.04
YES!! Definitely!

And, coincidentally, that's an exact description of what the Sunn O))) tracks I spent this morning downloading sound like.

No drums, no rhythm, no concessions whatsoever to conventional musicality or human boredom/pain thresholds, just two thunderously down-tuned guitars cranked up to bowelquaking volume swapping two monolithic notes at the speed of an approaching ice-age over the ever-growing storm of their own feedback. For twenty minutes.

Looking at the frequency charts as I play them on the computer is amazing - the hi-level half of the graph is completely flat, not so much as a whisper, and then there's an almost 90 degree slope as the lo-level half goes COMPLETELY OFF THE SCALE.

As others have pointed out, it gets pretty relaxing and ambient after a while, despite the mega-volume. It would make great meditation music if you were into unending Lovecraftian abysses of deepest space.

My favourite bit is in the last couple of minutes of one of the tracks, where it sounds like they stop playing and start tweaking knobs, manipulating the leftover noise into absolutely the evilest subterranean squelching sounds I've ever heard - it sounds like an ancient elephantine beast rising from the deepest, darkest crypt on earth. Brr. It's enough to give Count Grishnakh the heebie-jeebies..
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
19:39 / 11.06.04
oooh. What song is that?

I love the slow bands, the Melvins are a personal favorite, and I have to make mention of Monster Magnet's Tab, another long 25 minute song that's actually a cross between some of the gnarly slow stuff and, say, Hawkwind.

I have to say that Khanate hasn't impressed me too much though.

So has anyone heard the new Sun0)))? I guess Joe Preston's supposed to be on it as well.
 
 
+#'s, - names
19:52 / 11.06.04
Ha, yeah, Monster Magnet's Tab 25. Totally hot.

Sleep? Saw them open up for Nik Turner's Space Ritual '94 show in Columbus. Drummers set fell apart 3 times. Good times. Holy Mountain, indeed. Friend of mine overheard an old hippy tell his son that he couldn't give him much in this world, but he could provide him a ticket to this event.

Anyone interested in the Melvins, I would recommend the Melvins book, Neither Here Nor There, doesn't really look like the Melvins sound like to me, but very entertaining none the less.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
20:46 / 24.06.04
While I haven't yet heard any of the bands mentioned in this thread, the music described is reminiscent of KK Null's Absolute Heaven, which I'd describe as brittle ululations and scouring drones. I'll definitely be listening to some of the bands mentioned above, especially Hatebeak and Sun*cough*.
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
07:52 / 30.06.04
Any of you guys heard Goatsblood? Truly the slowest, most ridiculously heavy band to grace the planet. The foundations of my house are still shaking from listening to them last week, and my nose won't stop bleeding. Ah, beautiful, beautiful DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!
 
 
Locust No longer
16:01 / 01.07.04
I come back from a month of travelling to a thread on Sludge (to add another term). Awesome, cuz I love sludge and doom "music". One of the scariest listening experiences I've had was blasting SUNN0)) in the dead of the night, stoned, in some mini-van while rain was dripping down the windows. I couldn't help but think of some Lucio Fulci movie where the killer comes in and slashes to death some poor woman. Low rumble, throb and constipated hum.

I, too, recommend the evils of Toadliquor, whose singer now lives in my town for some reason. Khanate was a great find before I left, particulalry their track about wearing skin. Noothgrush, Eye Hate God, Bongzilla, and Grief all sort of fall into the Doom metal genre but are a little more Sabbathy than Khanate or SUNN0)). I'm actually going to go see SUNNO)) on the fourth, so yay for me. In more of the avant garde circle, there's the band Dead Machines (with one of the guys from Wolf Eyes) which is a great smudgy electronic drone band. I also definitely recommend Birchville Cat Motel whose "Beautiful Speck Triumph" is certainly a masterpiece of sustained dirty but ethereal drone, sometimes sounding like a fire made of crickets mixed with outerspace alien communique interceptions. The whole New Zealand art-rock scene produce lots of amazing droney stuff that I love, although it's hard to get abroad (CJA, Antony Milton, Campell Kneale.) A lot of it falls into the Vibracathedral Orchestra/Skullflower area which is always okay with me, although I find much of the New Zealand stuff more interesting and less pretentious. Oh and I can't forget the great drone that comes out of the Mirror/Andrew Chalk/Christoph Heeman zone which, in turn, leads to the Nurse with Wound/Current 93/Coil axis (which I haven't gotten much into but always hear is great). Whew, I think that may be enough name dropping for the day. But I do really love drone and sludge so....
 
 
rizla mission
07:54 / 02.07.04
Lots of interesting recommendations there, thanks Locust. I'll investigate some of that when I get a chance.

I note that Sunn O)))'s new record 'White Two' is in the shops right now. It looks ace.

From what I've heard so far I really love the way they're expanding the range of what they do with vocals, drum programming, ambient folky bits etc. - they've still got the volume and the evilness, but the new elements and guest musicians add such a completely new depth of atmosphere and unpredictability.. it works beautifully and stops them just being a one trick pony, but without compromising the essense of their sound.
 
 
rizla mission
08:05 / 02.07.04
Oh, and just thought I'd mention that there's a great interview with Stephen O'Malley of Sunn O)))/Khanate in the current issue of the Wire.. it's refreshing to read an interview with a stoner rock dude who doesn't act completely retarded, and who discusses connections between doom, black metal and free jazz in a thoughtful manner..
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:35 / 02.07.04
Swans are DEFINITELY one of the best bands ever- through every period, from "Filth" and "Cop" (an absolute classic) right up to "Soundtracks For The Blind", they fucking ruled.

Rizla... are you honestly telling me you've never heard Skullflower? Sort it out, mate- you'll fucking love 'em.

I read a great interview with Sunn0))) in Terrorizer yesterday... was gonna start a thread asking if anyone'd heard them and if they were any good, but I think I've got my answer. Will be checking them out VERY soon, methinks.
 
  
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