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Bollywood Star

 
 
Ganesh
15:22 / 01.06.04
First one this evening, I think, and I'm looking forward to it. On the face of it, Bollywood Star looks like another rickety nag from the Pop Idol stable. Previews suggest that, while the first few weeks follow a familiar format, this is merely the framing device for a more considered examination of young, 2nd and 3rd generation British Asians, and whether their perceptions/fantasies of Bollywood India map onto the reality. The half-dozen or so winners are apparently transported to Mumbai, where we follow their attempts to make it in a cut-throat industry that has, we're told, never produced a British star.

I reckon this'll be fascinating viewing. And not just for the Asian (Beefcake) Babes...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:17 / 01.06.04
So, I saw bits of this - what did people think? I was interested by the same arguments about e.g. overweight Pop Idols, in this case complicated by the fact that they appeared not to have thought about what sort of role they were expecting their ultimate Bollywood Star to play - not just male or female, but mother, villain... this strikes me as disingenuous, and an excuse to get some colour into the later rounds in the interests of interesting television, but that's their right, after all.

I was interested by how many white people seemed to be auditioning (although this could be editing) - is that a sign of porous ideas of race, or just a statement that there is now a species that will apply for any reality fame academy/Big Shrew house going...
 
 
Ganesh
21:41 / 01.06.04
I saw pretty much all of it (albeit with channel-flicking to Hell's Kitchen in the breaks), and found it fascinating on several levels, despite knowing very little about Bollywood itself (and having never managed to sit through an entire film). I thought it managed to transcend the Pop Idol format, possibly because it bled into a number of more interesting areas (family, race, culture, "body fascism").

I found the drip-feed of little dramas compelling, especially the fat girl still processing her mother's suicide, and the mother-daughter team (I was really quite moved when, against expectation, the mother finally broke the news of her success, and her daughter seemed genuinely happy for her). Felt a little sorry for the bald white guy (who looked vaguely Babylon 5).

Like Haus, I wondered whether the apparent paucity of Bollywood-level talent had forced the judges to seek secondary characters as well as hero/heroine - but they did seem to be looking for gusto as much as anything else, and I was pleased to see the short, fat contestants going through. We didn't see many males auditioning, but perhaps that'll change in the second round.

I felt the spectre of Pop Idol seemed to hover rather heavily over the whole thing, for both judges and contestants (Bally Sagoo, I though, was self-consciously attempting to 'do a Cowell'). Initially, I thought this might explain the number of non-Asian entrants (y'know, it's another 'Idol', another none-too-discriminating shot at stardom, blah blah utter pishcakes), but several of them really seemed into Bollywood - making me wonder whether its appeal is broader than I think, and I ought to make more of an effort to see a whole film.

Hmmmm...
 
 
Jub
07:56 / 02.06.04
I was mostly watching Ramsey but caught a bit of this and saw the spirited performance of the mum. Hilarious.

(On a side note, I am quite surprised no-one from Britain has made it big in Bollywood)
 
 
Ganesh
08:17 / 02.06.04
Well, why should anyone from the UK have made it big in Bollywood? It's not like India has any shortage of gorgeous, talented, Hindi-speaking young people.

And yeah, Pushy Mum made Mrs Church look like J. D. Salinger.
 
 
Jub
10:14 / 02.06.04
Well, I suppose you're right about the home grown stuff; only you get loads of people trying their luck in Hollywood, so I figured the same proportion of people would try out in Bollywood, especially as it's so popular here.

Maybe no-one goes to India to try *because* there are so many good-looking Hindi speaking people over there.

(btw - Kushi is by far and away one of the funniest films I seen for ages and it's got a banging soundtrack to boot!)
 
 
Warewullf
11:33 / 02.06.04
heat are calling it Poppadom Idol and I can't decided if it's funny and clever or borderline racist.
 
 
foot long subbacultcha
11:38 / 02.06.04
Until about now it was hard to convince your extended family that being an actor/rock star was a worthy life quest rather than the lawyer/doctor option. I know this is a sad stereotype but it's annoyingly accurate. As far as I know there still aren't any asian players in professional football. And when I grew up every indian kid but me played footie.

Now a lot more is a lot more acceptable. A friend of mine has a supporting role in a British made bollywood-style movie and the demand for British talent is high. Apparently Indian studios are finding a really hard time finding enough Brit-asian extras for their UK shoots aswell.

Haven't seen this show yet. Will try and catch it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:09 / 02.06.04
Oh yeah, and there are more and more films being made with scenes or plots taking place in Britain, yeah? Which is partly a reflection of the size and value of the British export audience... Which I guess will help to ease the path for aspiring British actors...

However, Statto that I am, I have to call you on:

As far as I know there still aren't any asian players in professional football. And when I grew up every indian kid but me played footie.

If you mean the English league, there's certainly a long way to go, but among British Asians Chris Dolby has played for Bradford and Rotherham, and Harpal Singh, promising Leeds player who I suspect will get more of a go of it in the first division, has played in the league on loan to Bury. Bury it was who also signed East Bengal scoredeity Baichang Bhutia, the first Indian national (to my knowledge) to play in a British professional league.
 
 
foot long subbacultcha
12:29 / 02.06.04
Which I guess will help to ease the path for aspiring British actors

Yep, I reckon so.


Chris Dolby, Harpal Singh, Baichang Bhutia


Nice one. I'm sure there will be more soon enough.

I still wanna be a rock star.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:45 / 08.06.04
Saw this tonight, found it engrossing. The snatches of background we get are fascinating, and do manage to highlight, without hammering the point home, all sorts of interesting themes, as Ganesh says.

Know almost nothing about Bollywood, but the contestants are in the main, interesting and passionate, and about 1000 times more likeable than yr average 'Idol'* Why *is* that?

Maybe the range of people; their backgrounds at least seem to be alot more varied, in age, size, class, status, motivation etc...

And can't wait to see how it goes in Mumbai. Having a series/prize encompass the process of trying to get work/show the industry itself is a nice twist... will be tuning in again, I think.


*Except the silly spoilt cow who, rejected for the last 12, shouted about 'how the judges will be proved wrong in the end' while her rather embarrassed parents tried to point out the she was showing herself up. Jeesus, transfer her to the BB house, someone?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:54 / 08.06.04
Oh, and scoobyjah, while Haus is right re the three players he mentions, there's still a valid point to be made about why, when *loads* of Indian boys play football as kids *and* often come from families with a strong football playing/supporting culture, this hasn't translated into a wave of players....

If you're interested in this, I'd massively recommend Jas Bains' and Sanjiiv Johal's Corner Flags and Corner Shops...
 
 
Ganesh
18:39 / 15.06.04
Yeah, I'm still very much enjoying Bollywood Star, and particularly looking to this evening's anticipated culture-clash when the half-dozen hopefuls hit Mumbai. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Caucasian girl - and, a certain extent, the engaging-but-fat girl, Roopak - have been tokenistically included because they'll make good television (and perhaps point up Bollywood prejudices) rather than because they're in with any sort of chance of stardom. We'll see, though.

I agree with much of what Bengali's said about the contestants, and wonder whether they're more sympathetic than the Pop Idol throng because the stakes are higher: they're often risking family disapproval or giving up 'respectable' middle-class careers; they're also hungry but somehow humble, without the slightly repellent sense of entitlement shown elsewhere. Nowhere was this more apparent than with Hazel, the butter-wouldn't-melt child of stereotypical Guardianistas (they were off to start an ashram-cum-organic-truffle-farm, or something), who swiftly morphed into poisonous, embarrassing brat ("Bull. shit.") when her look-I've-learned-Hindi Shirley Templisms were rejected. Guess Malcolm and Cressida should've withdrawn the Talking Stick more often...
 
 
Ganesh
20:27 / 15.06.04
Tonight's was incredibly moving; I actually found myself getting teary at the end, when the judges delivered their verdict - at least partly because they were so kind. Come to think of it, in sharp contrast with Pop Idol, all the experts seemed to combine practicality and kindness; there was no sense that any of them were trying to usurp the limelight a la Simon Cowell.

Interesting to see the individual personalities come out: Sophia and Ravona (and apologies if I'm fucking up spelling here) became somewhat distasteful divas (the latter's 'I'm 95% contemptuous of these girls for failing to get a non-dancing job in Mumbai' schtick was a low point), although Sophia's veneer of 'attitude' was pathetically easily punctured, to reveal the low self-esteem beneath; there was a similar degree of pathos in Ricky's wanting to be "on a billboard" in order to impress his mother; Roopak going to pieces with the allegation that she might be fixed to win, then rallying.

(Actually, 'doing it for Mother' was something of a theme this week. It was difficult to know whether this was coincidental, cultural, or a mixture of both.)

I felt for Heidi, with her "morris-dancing", and well-what-can-y'do acceptance that she's got her work cut out as a potential white Bollywood heroine. Mind you, the judges seemed to imply that this might be viewed positively, albeit as a fairly short-lived gimmick, if she can't dance or speak Hindi fluently.

Being aware of the pale skin/dark skin prejudice in Asian cultures generally, I couldn't help wondering whether Saydur and Ravona - the darkest-complected constestants - had been excluded partly because their faces didn't fit. Hmmm...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:03 / 15.06.04
Hazel, the butter-wouldn't-melt child of stereotypical Guardianistas (they were off to start an ashram-cum-organic-truffle-farm, or something), who swiftly morphed into poisonous, embarrassing brat ("Bull. shit.") when her look-I've-learned-Hindi Shirley Templisms were rejected.

Who, I was informed yesterday, is from Brighton. Which should I guess, have been obvious.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:05 / 15.06.04
all the experts seemed to combine practicality and kindness; there was no sense that any of them were trying to usurp the limelight

yep, the experts want (perhaps need?) to make a commercial success of this, but aren't vicious/diva-ish themselves...
 
 
Ganesh
21:24 / 15.06.04
Asha's 'breaking the ego' advice was apposite. There seemed to be an understanding - quite alien to the UK contestants - that they were all pretty much grist to the mill. There's certainly no shortage of attractive and talented Bollywood wannabes in the sub-continent itself, and the experts appeared to be kindly but firmly appraising the contestants of this: if they couldn't buckle down and work (Kids from Fame stylee), there'd be plenty more along in a minute, to replace 'em. And they'd be willing to start paying. In sweat.

And the choreographer guy's "hey, sweedee" was lovely.

It all really made me want to go back to India...
 
 
Ganesh
21:27 / 15.06.04
Tell you what, though: I can't get the fucking 'Rubicon Mango' song out of my head...
 
 
Ganesh
19:02 / 22.06.04
As the final starts, anyone want to hazard a guess as to who might win? I have absolutely no idea.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:15 / 22.06.04
OMG. wow. Go Roopak. Really moving stuff. Teary over here. The parts where she was talking about her mother, the dream she had, how she felt, were wonderful.

It was that emotional openness and bravery that won it for her, IMO.

I thought she was the best throughout the final, but have to admit I thought her weight might count against her, even for character;comedy roles.

But from the instant she sat down in the audition with Mahesh Bhatt(OMG. Even I've heard of/seen films by MB, he's *bignews*), it was so obviously her.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:26 / 22.06.04
that they were all pretty much grist to the mill

This, and humility, were a constant refrain in the final episode. Rhupa seemed most suited to this atmosphere. I'd say this isn't just about the competitiveness of Bollywood, but a features of 'Indianness'.

There were alot of things I found reminiscent of spending time with family there/recognise flashes of from upbringing. The importance of humility was one of them.

It's something connected I think to Indian culture(massive but I hope fair generalisation here) being much less individualistic than Western culture.

The emphasis is on communality/syncretic ways of existing. And also on the importance of family/hierarchy/obedience. Sharing and closeness - physical, emotional etc are really important.

There was something more 'Indian' about Rhupa than any of the others, I think...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:32 / 22.06.04
I still wanna be a rock star.

Yeah, me too.

And, agreed on the (tiresome) accuracy, at least when I were young, of that 'doctor,laywer' stereotype.
 
 
Ganesh
20:54 / 22.06.04
(Was it 'Rhupa'? For some reasonb, I thought she had a 'k' at the end of her name.)

Mahesh Bhatt was absolutely wonderful: those interviews were more like psychotherapy sessions. Very intense, and one just knew he and Rhupa (I'll take your word for it) had connected from the word go. Lots of lachrymosity here, too, particularly when he took her hands and got her to say her lines for the second time. There was just such obvious emotional capacity there, and she could tap into it almost at will. And when she came out of the interview on such a high...

Unbelievably moving - which makes me curious about trying one of Bhatt's films. If he's that emotionally skilful a director, then I really think I might enjoy them.

I agree that humility was a theme, and cringed inwardly when the increasingly repellently divaesque Sophia set about sabotaging herself. I honestly think her self-destructiveness was partly motivated by paradoxical-seeming fear of success. That and a whopping great dollop of maternal transference with the almost divinely patient Asha Chandra.

Felt sorry for Ricky (who looked much better without the Chunky LaFunga hairdon't), but had to agree he was rather wooden. Heidi seemed a genuinely nice girl (but with, one suspects, something of an eating disorder - the Karen Carpenter to Rhupa's Mama Cass), who was repeatedly told she had an 'Indian soul', which must be nice.

I really, really liked this series.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:08 / 22.06.04
Sorry, it *was* Rhoopak.

And yes on MB - and the way it was filmed as well. The intensity of his approach, and the effect upon the three, was palapable, and transmitted to us.

*Loved* the way he was with them, especially with R, she just seemed to 'get it' in a way the others didn't. And the emotional punch of her 2nd performance, hands holding his, was fantastic.

Yayyyyyyy....
 
 
Ganesh
21:10 / 22.06.04
Fancy trying to arrange a mini-Barbe-outing to see one of Bhatt's films? I'm aware of at least one Bollywood-only cinema in London, and am sure there must be others...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:12 / 22.06.04
Oof, and Sophia's comments about Roopak and Heidi - mi-aaaooow.

And I thought Heidi's acceptance of Roopak's winning was genuine, and rather fab.

I've really really enjoyed this series as well, great stuff.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:14 / 22.06.04
There are a fair few AFAIK, certainly one in Tooting. Yeah, I'd be v.up for dat...

Tasty Indian food and cinema in Tooting, perhaps?
 
 
Ganesh
21:24 / 22.06.04
Yeah, that'd be great. I've eaten Indian in Tooting before - a super-duper veggie place - and would very much like to do so again. Need to do a fair amount of research on the fillums themselves, though. If Bollywood's as emotionally engaging as Bhatt's interview with Rhoopak, I am there...

God yeah, Sophia's claws-out comments on her female competitors (as well as her "better work on the muscles, Ricky" as(n)ide) was annoying - pretty much in keeping with Asha's cobra analogy.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:31 / 22.06.04
from a few reviews I've been peering at, sounds like his early stuff is more emotlonal/evocative... check out some interviews, he sounds fascinating...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:43 / 23.06.04
Oh, *bugger*. Did I miss the final?
 
 
Scrubb is on a downward spiral
07:51 / 23.06.04
Yay to this - fabulous series.

As has been said, was really fascinating that humilty was the key factor throughout the series - such a contrast to the Pop Idol/Big Brother “I’m great, I’m gonna be a staaaaarrrrr because I deserve this” mentality. Instead, the constant message from Mahesh and , Asha, and the dancing coach (last week) was that of “It’s a hella tough industry to break into; you will be rejected again and again and again, and you will learn from it.”

Oof, and Sophia's comments about Roopak and Heidi - mi-aaaooow. Completely - ”When you think of Bollywood, you think of a young pretty girl, not a fat woman” - yeeesh.

And am so up for a BarbeBollyfest, perfect summer fare.
 
 
Ganesh
21:19 / 23.06.04
I'm gonna start a separate Gathering thread on this, I think...
 
  
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