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Tamayyurt
15:20 / 26.11.01
quote: had to accompany my mate to hospital and use shamanic languaging techniques to talk her through this pretty insane, scary, near-death/near-madness-experience trip she was having as a result of the drug.


I didn't want to rot velvet's Light Side thread but I have to ask: What's Shamanic Language? How do you leard these techniques? And can you give me an example.
 
 
Lionheart
14:29 / 27.11.01
Go here

http://www.sonic.net/~billkirn/mindell_interview.html

Then scroll down to...

quote:STEPHAN: How do you work with people in coma? I mean, by all standards they're impossible to communicate with.

ARNOLD: Yes, you can't awaken them by ordinary means. But from my experience I now know that people in comatose states do want to wake up. The trouble is that the people around them don't know how to communicate with them. A heartful helper may meditate or hold their hand. But that is usually insufficient. If you follow their breathing and amplify the noises they're making, almost all of them will awaken, except those that have had severe structural brain damage, where the muscles no longer work properly. Even among those people, the majority will open their eyes, focus, and give you feedback. Especially people in metabolic comas -- those that are comatose because of chemical changes in the blood -- awaken and go through the most incredible stories.

STEPHAN: So you actually are able, in most cases, to communicate with these people and amuse them to the point of waking up?

ARNOLD: Yes. Take John, for example, a black man I mention in my book. He had been lying in a hospital in coma for six months, rasping and making lots of noise and waking up all the other patients. I went to see him and made noises with him while gently squeezing his hand. After about then minutes, he opened his eyes and said, "You saw that too?" I said, "I did see it. What do you see?"
"A big white ship is a-comin' for John!"
"Are you going to take it?" I asked.
"Not me," he yelled, "I'm not gettin' on that ship."
"Why not?" I asked.
"That ship's goin' on vacation. I gotta get up in the morning and go to work."
John had worked hard all his life and was now in his 80's. His cancer had reduced him to a bag of bones. He was stuck at the end of life because he couldn't allow himself to go on vacation. So I said to him, "Well, getting up in the morning and going to work sounds good to me. But before we do it, let's check the ship out. Take a good look inside and see who's driving that ship.." So he went down into the ship and said with great excitement, "Whew! There's angels down there driving that ship."
"Do you want to find out where it's going?" I asked.
He went inside again and turned his eyes to the right, apparently listening to something, and said, "That ship is a-goin' to Bermuda."
"Well, what's it cost?" I said, knowing that he was a practical guy. After a minute he said, "It don't cost nothin'"
"Think about it," I said. "Ever have a vacation?"
"I never had a vacation. Never. I've been workin' and workin' and workin'."
"Well, think about it. Make your choice."
Finally, he said, "I'm goin' on vacation! It don't cost nothin', and it's goin' to Bermuda."
I said, "Chances are, if you don't like it, maybe it'll turn around and come back."
"Yeah, I can always get off that ship."
"You do what you want," I said, "I'll trust your judgement. I'm busy and have to go see someone else now." So he closed his eyes and that was it. When we came back 30 minutes later he had died. He'd gone to Bermuda.

STEPHAN: That's a beautiful story.

ARNOLD: Yes, it is. I've been doing this for almost 15 years, but I never mentioned these stories to anybody until my wife, Amy, started coming with me to the hospital. I thought nobody would believe me. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross said she believed me, but she had never seen it herself. People don't usually work with comatose states.
I had a similar experience with my own mother. She'd had a stroke and gone into a coma, and she wasn't supposed to be able to talk. I worked with her breathing and out of the rasping she started to make noises, and then -- a song! [Hums melody of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"]. We began to sing together [sings], and I sang the words because she couldn't move her mouth very well. When we got to the end of the first verse, my mother roared out, "Life is but a dream!"
I could hardly believe it! "But everybody thought you were comatose," I said. "I don't know what you're talking about," she replied. "Let's call up all the relatives," I said, "and let's sing." And she did sing "Life is but a dream" to all her relatives before she died.

I stumbled upon this 2 or 3 years ago on some Chaos Magick site which had a textfile which quoted this.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:49 / 27.11.01
GREAT FUCKING LINK! (didn't tell me much about shamanic language techniques...but I loved it)
 
 
Re-Set
20:09 / 27.11.01
quote:What's Shamanic Language?
It's a bit tough to explain. Putting aside for a moment that it's primarily non-verbal, so by nature it defies verbal explanation, but I'm also by no means as adept as I intend to be. I view it a) a means of communicating with things one might not "realistically" be able to (a tree, an animal, another person's diseased organ) or b) a means of communicating with something on a higher level than normally possible (telepathic communication with another person or group of people, in a circle or remotely)


quote:How do you leard these techniques? I think I've always practiced some of the techniques. Such as, dealing with life and the route of one's day as if everything you encounter has a personality; I ask the ATM how it's day is going while waiting for my cash, tell the mosquito I'm not going to taste very good, etc. I've also studied under several shamen, one of whom was particularly helpful, as I was able to participate in a few shamanic circles, both on the center and the circumference, and watching and feelign what was going on, helped for me to embrace the methods. But, the most helpful teachers, without question, have been encounters with entheogens, plant teachers and hallucinogens, both alone or in groups, friends or strangers, in the comfort of the woods or my own home to galavanting through the city streets.

quote: And can you give me an example. Well, yes. It might not be the most fantastic, but it'll be easier for me to relate, and there was a witness. I was at a friends house, it was some long hours after having served up a batch of shroom slammers (see my post in yer favorite drug trip) My friend Chaz was asleep on the couch, and his girlfriend and I were sharing a pull-out bed (don't ask, I was pretty uncomfy about it myself) I was just enjoying my headspace, practicing some circular breathing, when Chaz began making a series of sounds that made one think he was having a terribly frightening dream, it was almost like a squeal. His girlfriend told me he did that frequently, and that she was worried. I found myself able to hone in on the cause of the trouble (the strangest snore you've ever heard, I swear, with labored breathing) and was able to use his breathcing as a marker for my own meditation. I created a pattern in space where his breathing would follow my own. It was a neat marker for me, the quieter my mind was, the quieter his breathing became.

I don't know if my rambling helped at all, but I hope so.
 
 
Enamon
09:26 / 28.11.01
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

When we came back 30 minutes later he had died. He'd gone to Bermuda.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
 
Tamayyurt
09:26 / 28.11.01
HEH, yeah that was pretty funny

How would this work on a plant? They don't breath and all the examples have been with breathing patterns?

Floats- Also, did you figure out the cause or meaning of your friends nightmare-ish panting or did you just stop it?
 
 
penitentvandal
10:03 / 28.11.01
Well, plants sort of breathe, but it takes them a really long time...

Hmm. This is where my attempt to look all clever and Mister Six-y begins to fray at the edges - 'shamanic languaging' is just a now-ish, all mod-cons-term I came up with to describe something I wound up doing on the fly, really.

Okay, basic situation: person in hospital bed, clearly going thru intensely bad trip, believing they're about to die. Racked my brains trying to come up with some way in which to be of use, flashed on the old idea of shamen being able to guide peoples' souls thru various alternate realities by 'singing' to them, figured I could probably accomplish the same thing by trying to get myself into my mate's mindset as much as possible and then <horrible new-agey term> 'leading her back' </horrible new-agey term> by, well, talking to her, getting her to sing with me, and stuff...

Which is probably the best explanation I can come up with. To quote a certain fictional liverpudlian, 'it's not something you do...'
 
 
penitentvandal
10:04 / 28.11.01
Well, plants sort of breathe, but it takes them a really long time...

Hmm. This is where my attempt to look all clever and Mister Six-y begins to fray at the edges - 'shamanic languaging' is just a now-ish, all mod-cons-term I came up with to describe something I wound up doing on the fly, really.

Okay, basic situation: person in hospital bed, clearly going thru intensely bad trip, believing they're about to die. Racked my brains trying to come up with some way in which to be of use, flashed on the old idea of shamen being able to guide peoples' souls thru various alternate realities by 'singing' to them, figured I could probably accomplish the same thing by trying to get myself into my mate's mindset as much as possible and then <horrible new-agey term> 'leading her back' </horrible new-agey term> by, well, talking to her, getting her to sing with me, and stuff...

Which is probably the best explanation I can come up with. To quote a certain fictional liverpudlian, 'it's not something you do...'
 
 
Lionheart
16:29 / 28.11.01
ha ha.

Velvetvandal, what you described is the exact same thing mentioned in that article I posted! And I was just grasping straws. I had no idea what you meant by shamanic linguistic skills but I uh.. took a guess.
 
  
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