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Grant Morrison coming back to JLA ?

 
  

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Ben Danes
02:15 / 03.08.04
I can't decide between One Million and Rock of Ages.

I am very partial to Rock for its Odyssey overtones, which I really dug (Green Lantern as Ulysses! Yes, you are a hero Kyle), and plain kickass moments, but One Million has equally as much kickass moments, and an evil sun as the bad guy.

Rock of Ages also had Porter's best artwork. I think he'd really settled into the title, and Grant's late scripts weren't affecting him yet. His Bats is definitive here. Semeks is alright, but I would have preferred Porter to him on One Million.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:08 / 03.08.04
1000000 all the way. RoA is great, but.....
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:39 / 03.08.04
Isn't anyone else's enjoyment of 'DC 1 Million' hamstrung by the fact that you can't get hold of all of it? And bits of it don't make much sense without the missing bits, even if they weren't "essential"? Why does the future Batman kidnap the present Batman? What? Huh?

I like 'Rock Of Ages' best.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:36 / 03.08.04
"You will surpass him".

Ummm...guess not anymore, as Hal is the new Golden Boy Greenie.

But how cool was it that Grant was the first guy Neil G. gave permission and his blessing to write the Sandman (albeit a small scene)?
 
 
Spaniel
16:52 / 03.08.04
I know what you mean, Fly, but the answer is no.

In the end the cerazy madness that is DC 1 Mil wins me over every time.
 
 
The Natural Way
21:14 / 03.08.04
I like "Rock of Ages" best

No you don't.



You like DC One Million best.
 
 
The Falcon
09:48 / 04.08.04
I like 'Crisis Times Five' best.

Why does Batman 1,000,000 kidnap our Batman?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:54 / 04.08.04
Second 'Crisis times five'. But the Apokalips sequence in 'Rock of Ages' was one of the most heart-wrenching, palm-sweatifying monthly reads ever. I'm on Flyboy's team here.
 
 
_Boboss
10:01 / 04.08.04
isn't it just a timetravel story thing? batman obviously wouldn't choose to go on such a super-tights jamboree, but future bats' records say he was there, so he hijax him just to mkae sure the universe don't unravel. there's probably some other bit later where only a piece of trivia on twentieth century police procedures can save the future, so his presence there was proper essential.
 
 
Spaniel
10:30 / 04.08.04
That was the correct answer, although I'm not sure whether you had to read the Batman tie-ins to pick up on it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:54 / 04.08.04
What I don't follow in DC1Mil is where they get the extra Power Ring from. The one that J'onn fools Solaris into thinking is the Knight Fragment.
 
 
Spaniel
11:07 / 04.08.04
Boboss squints face.

Wasn't it the original power ring? Green Lantern's power ring, hidden under the sands of Mars?
 
 
Spaniel
11:08 / 04.08.04
How is the power ring in any way extra? I am confused.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:38 / 04.08.04
If it's GL's, then what's Kyle using to contain the exploding Solaris?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:42 / 04.08.04
Indeed. The point was that there was no 1m version of Green Lantern, yes? The power ring having been lost in the interim...

I have to say I preferred Rock of Ages in terms of its completeness and the way in which it achieved its ends. On the other hand, DC 1m was full of that good ol' sci-fi fun, and had some *excellent* set pieces - Vandal Savage losing it totally, the fight between the present and future JLA, Superman punching through time. The broader crossover, however, left me a bit cold. If you are happy just reading JLA 1m 1-4 and the JLA crossover issue, then well and good, however.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:43 / 04.08.04
That question coming from someone who doesn't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of GL continuity. I always presumed that Kyle's ring was the same one as Hal Jordan's. If that's not the case then it makes sense.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:47 / 04.08.04
If it's GL's, then what's Kyle using to contain the exploding Solaris?

The same ring, but before it went missing...
 
 
The Falcon
11:51 / 04.08.04
Yeah, Kyle's ring 1,000,000 and 'our' Kyle's ring.

'S easy.

Thanks, Gambo, for the Batman clearup. I have visions of you lot all hunched around one computer in Brighton, frantically logging inanout.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:53 / 04.08.04
I keep reading 1Mil as suggesting that J'onn borrows the ring off Kyle and buries it on Mars in the current day, which is why Kyle still being in possession of it in the final battle against Solaris makes my brian hurt. But hey, if the borrowing happens later on then all is in order.

Bloody lazy off-panel storytelling bollocks.
 
 
Spaniel
12:02 / 04.08.04
Randy, at risk of sounding patronising, I am amazed you didn't pick up on the whole 1000,000 years under the sand thing.

Hence my squinty face.

But, yeah, yet more off-panel bollocks from Gregory. I suppose he could argue that it's more fully explained in the tie-ins, still...

D, Gambit and I are (un?)lucky enough to have jobs where we can doss around on the internet.
 
 
The Falcon
12:12 / 04.08.04
Yeah, I used to do that.

I didn't really think it, it's just a pleasant image.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:22 / 04.08.04
OIC. At that point there is only one green lantern ring left, as a result, IIRC, of Hal Jordan killing the Guardians and draining the green lantern battery (Yes?). So, while it is not Hal Jordan's GL ring, it is the important GL ring. Hal Jordan's ring, actually, might have had problems against the somewhat yellowish Solaris.

I think the idea is that at some distant point Huntress comes up with the idea of hiding the ring on Mars and putting it about that it is a fragment of Kryptonite.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:05 / 04.08.04
Randy, at risk of sounding patronising, I am amazed you didn't pick up on the whole 1000,000 years under the sand thing.

Yeah, no, thing. I had all the "under the sand for the past blahblah years", I just figured that Geoffrey's plot was that J'onn had acted on Huntress' suggestion immediately. Whereas what we're saying here is that he's actually stored the idea away until finally acting it out at some unspecified off-panel point in the relatively nearish future.

Perfect example of Gregory messing up his "let the reader fill in the blanks" method, in my opinion. I mean, Huntress explains it to Bats at one point as "I told them they had eighty-three thousand years to lay their traps and hide their weapons," when earlier on in the same issue, J'onn says to the Michelin Man that the ring's been "disguised as kryptonite for 83 thousand years."

So, you know, it does kind of sound like he's buried the ring a couple of days after she's put the idea into his head (which he couldn't have done, what with Kyle being blasted into the future and still in possession of it, and all).
 
 
_Boboss
14:40 / 04.08.04
apologia dept:

no look it's meant to be like that. it's time travel. before it was a bomb the bomb was an idea. [insert other geoffreyesque quotes here] the very act of the huntress thinking of the ring ploy was in effect the moment that it happened, you see? the ring was already disguised as kryptonite in the future, had always been disguised as kryptonite by the time spacetime caught up with it. but the origin of that process occured 83000 years previous with the huntress' raised eyebrow.

no, i don't quite buy it either...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:13 / 04.08.04
Well, not quite, I don't think... in the same way that in "Rock of Ages" you have the moment where the rock is destroyed, in which case Darkseid conquers Earth, and the moment where the rock is not destroyed, in which case Darkseid doesn't conquer Earth.

This time around, you have a future in which the Knight Fragment is Kryptonite, which never happens because not just of the Huntress' strategy, but also because of M Farris Knight discovering his heroic side. He destroys the Knight fragment, which is the moment of moral choice where it becomes possible for the good guys to win. In fact, Starman is the key character - first by destroying the fragment and then by jump-starting 21st Century Solaris, he creates the future in which it all ends happily.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:53 / 10.08.04
Didn't Phantom Stranger crop up in the sliver age Doom Patrol story Grant wrote? God, a miniseries in that universe would be PERFECT.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:47 / 10.08.04
FFS, can we give it a rest with the Grant/George/Joss/Jeff thing already? It wasn't even that funny when Haus started using it as a means to patronise someone way back when...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:24 / 10.08.04
I have to say, I like calling him George, tho'...
 
 
matsya
23:49 / 10.08.04
yeah, i like the geoff morrison stuff too. more, please!

gotta say i love it when the lithers talk superheroes...

m.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:11 / 11.08.04
OK, I'll allow you to keep doing it just so long as every time you do it you stick a fork in your eye, otherwise you'll never learn...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:15 / 11.08.04
Exactly what should we call George Morrison?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:43 / 11.08.04
Our Lady OTF, calling George George is a way of killing off the Father in a Freudian sense, or of moving on into the age of Horus in a magickal one, and either way really, I'm sure he'd approve, if HE EVER TOOK THE TIME TO EVEN LOOK AT THIS BOARD, NEVER MIND TO REPLY TO IT...

( Cough, sorry, stress pill... )

And ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that without us guys, he'd be SELLING his ASS for loose change in the GORBALS ( things slowing down now... )

I guess I still find it funny, child that I am.

JUST LIKE HORUS.
 
 
Spaniel
21:53 / 11.08.04
Flamingo is right let's stop taking the piss. The joke is old.

Sorry, Gill.
 
 
matsya
00:08 / 12.08.04
but didn't we get star billing in Invisibles v.3 #1?

didn't we?

Greg is frightened of the internet, so I hear. which is a weird thing for a mad scifi bastard like him, but it don't worry me none.

m.
 
 
LDones
10:09 / 12.08.04
Alex/Dave/Whoever:
Our Lady OTF, calling George George is a way of killing off the Father in a Freudian sense, or of moving on into the age of Horus in a magickal one, and either way really, I'm sure he'd approve, if HE EVER TOOK THE TIME TO EVEN LOOK AT THIS BOARD, NEVER MIND TO REPLY TO IT...
....
And ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that without us guys, he'd be SELLING his ASS for loose change in the GORBALS

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Reality check, please. I don't care how un-serious you'll say you're being - Grant Morrison is not your father, not even metaphorically. He does not owe you a thing, let alone this board, young son. Without the small fraction of posters on this board he would be doing precisely the same thing he is doing now and the world would be little poorer.

It's nice here on Barbelith. People take the piss out of each other and in general are willing to critically think without being terribly serious. But we're not conquering the earth or saving Grant Morrison's soul by reading comics.

People called him George because it was funny. Many don't think it is now. Relax.
 
  

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