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Promethea #30

 
 
FinderWolf
13:08 / 27.05.04
Well, here it is, beautiful sunny cover and all. Although not much "happened" this issue, it still felt pretty cool. That final page had me going "Oh, fuck!" in the subway station (out loud). Some really nice moments...and although this might feel like a slow build, Moore's gotta pace it so that it all ends with #32, of course!

More beautiful art and color effects, as usual. Moore's bits about life being a story we tell to others and ourselves were really cool.
 
 
Aertho
13:42 / 27.05.04
SHIT SHIT SHIT

I knew there was something I had to go to the sotre for yesterday. I know what you mean about the pace... It's like every issue gets more and more sslllooooooowwwwwwwwww... (stop). Maybe that's the point and next issue will just be a five second movement spread out over 22 pages.

I heard the last issue, 32, is going to be a recap or a flashback thang about the entirety of the series. I don't want ABC to end! Unless DC uses its principals to restructure its universe.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:53 / 27.05.04
Where did you hear that about 32 being a sort of recap, Chad?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:44 / 27.05.04
And once again, Jack B. Quick's Doomsday machine makes me laugh.
 
 
Aertho
16:19 / 27.05.04
I read it on the Wildstorm/DC boards that Eroom Nala frequents. I mean, two more issues and Proemthea's already cracked open the universe, how much MORE to the story can Alan Moore write?

So we're gonna see the Heavenly, Radiant City next? Wasn't that the title for the first issue of Promethea?
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:04 / 28.05.04
Good golly, but that was good stuff. Well worth every penny. At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, I do wonder how many average comics readers are aware of just how good the art in this book is, especially when the photorealistic stuff edges so close to Alex Ross territory, which is very popular indeedy. And it’s not as if the story’s bad either, he understated.

Anyway. I’m actually quite enjoying the pace and sense of impending end to this, and in a way the end (whatever form it may take) might come as something of a shame – I feel this story’s shaped a bit like the end of the Beatles track ‘A Day in the Life’, where I always enjoy the crescendo bit more than the end. What a questionable analogy. Ah well.

On specifics : on the final two-page spread, as well as Bush Jr, I’m guessing that’s the artist and the writer there, yes (interesting pedant notes : the layout on the artboard for the pages appears slightly different from the finished article, and it’s fun to see that Moore’s monitor refers to its depiction on the back of the recent profile book) ? And the panel which I’m guessing refers to the reader (bottom left corner) was made the more effective for me by the fact that I was holding it in just that way at the time….
Also liked the line the Doll says about reading the book, or being a character in it. Nice sense of confusion to this, which I felt gathered momentum as the issue went on.
Oh, and the semi-hidden titles were neat.

I’m almost ashamed to admit that when this series started, it was the ABC book that least grabbed me – until the first one with the hyper-reality stuff, which really got my attention. Would I be right in thinking that it’s mainly Jose Villaruba who does this over Williams’ art ? He’s listed as co-colourist, I note, with Mick Gray as assisting on the art as opposed to full-on inking.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:28 / 28.05.04
Quite stoned and drunk when I read this, but fuck me, did anyone else feel REEEEALLY weird reading this. Such a fleshed out relisation of The End, I wasn't sure if I was still gonna be there whwn I closed the book. And I'm the Doll? Shit!
 
 
The Natural Way
11:31 / 28.05.04
It is so fucking weird the way he and Grant are telling exactly the same story.
 
 
Spaniel
11:54 / 28.05.04
Yes, Gadgeteer, I felt fucking weird reading it, and I wasn't stoned or drunk - I was fresh as the morning dew.

Makes the whole "nothing happened" debate seem rather redundant.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:32 / 28.05.04
I agree that the first 2 or 3 issues of Promethea didn't get me all that psyched. It was when it started getting really into the magickal stuff that I got very very intruiged.

Anyone else think this could be part of a spell/working for more peace in the world? I mention it esp. because of the shots of a pensive GWB on the plane as Promethea talks about the story of life...in a very comforting, earth mother sort of way...
 
 
Aertho
17:15 / 28.05.04
Peace in the world?

I DO treat my parents better. I still hold them very tightly, but i "get" them better than they "get" each other.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:08 / 30.05.04
That. Was. Fantastic.

And yes, a VERY weird reading experience.

And to bring things down a level- that was the funniest sex scene I've ever read in a comic. "Down, boy!"
 
 
Eskay Doss
17:41 / 30.05.04
Yeah, it was a great story. But I liked it better when it was called the Invisibles and the Filth. I know Moore says he doesn't read Morrison's stuff, but maybe he should. J H Williams' art makes it all worthwhile though. It is absolutely stunning.
 
 
Aertho
03:19 / 31.05.04
Hey Monkey, I get what you're saying. But stop being so damn egocentric. Yeah, The Filth and The Invisibles had the same story, but they were meant to enthrall rebellious elder scamps like us and feed us moral cowpox so we'd see the world as a work worth doing.

Moore's doing the same-damn-thing, but aiming it at a less scampish crowd. I could give my mom or my girlfriend Promethea and it wouldn't put them off the way Invisibles would.
 
 
Eskay Doss
05:16 / 31.05.04
Just giving my 2 cents chad, I don't think that's any more egocentric than mentioning which comics will put off my loved ones. Or mentioning that you forgot to pick up something at the store. Or talking about your parents (what did you mean exactly by your message a few posts above anyway?). Stop being so damn egocentric indeed

I think it's the art that makes this series more accessible than anything else. It is so damn good it belongs in a museum. Not your typical comic book art. That tarot issue (#12?) was brilliant, and almost every issue has something awesome about it (like the 2-page spread at the end of this one). Morrison worked with some talented artists, but no one like J H Williams. If Moore had Yeowell, Thompson, Jimenez, et al. would Promethea still be as good?
 
 
Eroom Nala
05:23 / 31.05.04
My annotations for this (or at least the first rough draft version of them) are now online at
http://eroomnala.0catch.com/30.html

or if there's any problem accessing that page try

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sophiebangs/message/234

send any corrections or additions to eroomnala@yahoo.com.au

:-)
 
 
Aertho
16:49 / 31.05.04
egocentric WAS rather harsh... you realize I only meant that our preferences are reliant on our perspectives, right? And in other shoes, Promethea blows the Invisibles away.
 
 
Horatio Hellpop
18:40 / 06.06.04
promethea is fantastic. however. something about j.h.williamsiii's real-er than real artwork irritates me. one, i think, the point might be better served by using photographs (certainly manipulated photographs, no problem). it may just be that i don't think he's a terribly good painter yet--great linework, poor painting skills. his layouts are still involving, everything is still great, just that one rendering detail...
 
 
aquaboy
18:32 / 07.06.04
on that last note, i would've loved to have seen jose villarubia's work on Promethea again. Bill's story remains one of my favorite issues due to the wonderful photoshop compositing/artwork.
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:49 / 09.06.04
I fianlly got to read this but you've all beat me to comments I wanted to make...

Strange and Brilliant!
 
 
The Falcon
21:24 / 09.06.04
It is so fucking weird the way he and Grant are telling exactly the same story.

I fucking know. Glad Mozzer made first past the post, though. This is like the digest version. Still very good, occasionally very awkward in good and bad ways, but this last arc has been tops.
 
 
Warewullf
23:14 / 11.06.04
Finally got this. Loved it. The bit with the Doll trying to remember everything was amazing. Plus that line about "It's always been me and you and this room" really struck a very deep, weird chord in me...
 
 
FinderWolf
14:31 / 14.06.04
Where was that poem from that Promethea was quoting about humanity's beginnings? Anyone know? Or was it something Moore wrote himself?
 
 
Aertho
18:51 / 14.06.04
Poem about humanity's beginnings?

You mean the Mick and Mack duet from issue twelve? That shit's a work of art, but that's been said before and after me.

Maybe i don't know what you're talking about.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:06 / 14.06.04
No, from this issue 'let me tell you a tell of something and brine'....when Promethea as Whistler's mother/universal mother/grandmother force says to the Painted Doll, "Remember? You were just a baby, cells and chemicals thrown together..." and she begins quoting a little poem. I'm paraphrasing here, but it's definitely in this issue.
 
 
Aertho
21:21 / 14.06.04
Oh that's most defintely Moore's writing. Unless there're poets out there with nondual philosohpy and an awareness of organic time...
 
  
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