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Wot do u call it.... Wiley?

 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
19:33 / 24.05.04
Has anyone got any views on "Treading On Thin Ice", the debut Wiley album?
I've been turned onto it by the single "Wot do u call it?", wasn't quite sure what to expect but its better than I'd hoped.
From XL's biog:
Away from the eyes and ears of the mainstream, there is a scene which is growing stronger by the day. A scene which sits somewhere between ragga, US rap, UK garage & jungle, it is the new sound of the British inner-city. Dizzee Rascal was the first artist to bring this up from the underground to the attention of the mainstream, but he will be by no means the last. Wiley is an artist who has been involved in the underground scene for years, and is one of the most respected producers in his field. Once a part of the influential Pay As U Go cartel in the late nineties, he went on to form the Roll Deep Crew (once boasting Dizzee Rascal as a member), who have been spearheading this new sound emerging from the ashes of UK Garage. Wiley's position within the underground peaked with the release of his glacial, string-led track 'Eskimo', which, alongside Dizzee's 'I Luv U' kick-started this new sound, and Wiley's rise to legendary street-status. Over two years he has become an increasingly important producer, releasing 24 singles and countless collaborations and remixes, and selling well over 60,000 copies. If this wasn't enough, Wiley is also behind the hugely popular 'Eskimo Dance' raves, which are MC-led conventions that are filling the space left behind by London's current fear of traditional garage nights, with thousands of fans attending.
Kinda like a proper british rap album (none of this Streets urban poetry), I'm not particuarly well versed in these things (Dizzee Rascal was a bit harsh for my tastes) but after a few listens I'm definitely a convert.

Anyone else?
 
 
No star here laces
06:47 / 25.05.04
It's not a bad album at all.

I like it, but with reservations, much as I felt about Dizzee's album.

As someone who's liked garage for a long time I still find it frustrating that these two artists (and Ms Dynamite) feel the need to distance themselves from the scene and the sound as soon as their albums come out.

Wiley is the least guilty of this to date. He does have his own private bugbear about wanting to trademark his own personal name for the genre, as expressed on "Wot do u call it", but most of the album is honest-to-goodness actual UK garage like you hear on the radio, even if he pretends it isn't.

However, he is not up to Dizzee's standards lyrically. That's why the records the two of them made together in Roll Deep crew were far more exciting to me than either of their solo efforts.

As the closest there is to a widely available commercial grime garage release, this album is packed with more ideas than other genres could throw up in five years or so. It is an utterly different, utterly thrilling new sound. I definitely recommend you buy it, if only to support genuine creativity untainted by bullshit.

But if you really want to discover the wealth of musical delight that garage can offer you should check out some radio. If you'r in London and you're not doing this already, YOU ARE MAD. If you're not in London, there are places on the web that carry streams. Deja Vu 92.3 FM was the best station back in September when I was last there, and probably still is...
 
 
illmatic
07:10 / 25.05.04
I haven't heard this LP yet, but I intend to get it. The point I wanted to raise is similar to Laces - how well does this music work outside the context of the live show? All the *energy* of the scene seems to come from the live sets - I've wondered how well this would translate to LP length sets - seems to do fine on 12" though. Be interesting to watch how it filters through to people.

Got to say I love pirate radio in London - well, radio in general if throw in Resonance, Rodigan and John Peel - I love the way in which you can constantly be surprised with something new at pretty much anytime of the day or night, be it lovers rock, mad junglism/grime or insane heavyweight ragga.
 
 
illmatic
07:14 / 25.05.04
And Deja Vu is banging. Last time I listened to it, the DJ spent about 20 minutes chatting up a women he'd never met over his mobile and broadcast it all. My girlfriend was so emabarassed she left the room. You don't get that on Radio 4.
 
 
frenchfilmblurred
17:42 / 25.05.04
I think I've decided to pass on this and wait for the Grime compilation on Rephlex. I've yet to get anything garage wise. I keep reading reviews of white label stuff that makes it sound amazing, but Wot Do You Call It didn't sound very groundbreaking to me.
 
 
SteppersFan
18:19 / 25.05.04
2step UK Garage was in my book the best genre ever. I can understand why the genre splintered and changed, but not much of the recent stuff matches classic Dem2 or Groove Chronicles.

Wiley's stuff is OK and live he's wicked, a real showman, but not a patch on Dizzee, who ROCKED IT in Sheffield.
 
 
No star here laces
03:03 / 01.06.04
Ur, yeah, whatever. That rephlex thing is a retrograde step and is (as you would expect from Rephlex) basically garage made palatable for a bloodless IDM audience. Wiley is the true innovator and if you were to actually listen to "Wot do you call it" a bit more deeply you'd actually see you sonically bizarre it is.

Rephlex aren't from the borough, they aren't from the ends.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
11:57 / 03.06.04
See this is where most of the Garage culture goes over my head. I can't be bothered to wade through the mish mash of pirate statinos, bad MC's and batty boi baiters to find the true gems in the scene.
I'm lucky this one jumped up and bit me. Props to those people on MTV who pulled it out for me.
 
 
No star here laces
16:02 / 03.06.04
Gems in the scene (slightly out of date due to geographical remove):

Kano - " Boys luv girls"
D.E.E. - "Birds in da sky"
Sharkie Major - "Ain't a game"
Ruff Squad - "Tings in boots", "Misty cold"
Donae'O - "Mic da mic"
NASTY - "Cock back"
Skepta - "DTI" VIP MC mix
Durrty Doogz - "Hold me down"
 
  
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