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The smart kids' table

 
 
bitchiekittie
18:13 / 20.05.04
some of you are OBVIOUSLY brilliant. others, not so much but still far above average.

the rest of you, we'll just keep pretending you're in that latter group.

so when you were a kid, outside of the social aspects, what was school like for you? did you struggle, were you bored out of your wits, did you fly right through? did you take honors or gifted and talented courses, or take on extra assignments or activities? did teachers tend to favor or despise you? did your parents back you in conflicts, support you through troubles, push you to do better? how involved were they, anyway?

I don't really know how to word my question to be applicable to UK members as well as USans, so maybe someone can translate any of my more questionable gibberish.
 
 
pomegranate
19:24 / 20.05.04
when i was in kindergarten, my mom suggested that i might be gifted to my teacher at school. she met w/the principal, who was entirely condescending to her. she told them i could read since i was 3 years old and he's like, "now, mother, just because she can read the cereal boxes..." and i had been reading the newspaper for years. also, and i don't remember this, but my mom tells me i used to come home from kindergarten and cry every day cos i knew all the answers to all the questions and the teacher would never call on me. aw. so finally they agreed to let me be tested, and i got put into my school district's gifted program. at the time, they didn't provide busing for us, so we all carpooled to school.
one thing this school offered was all-day kindergarten for the kids that wanted it. and i did. i felt like hot shit bringing my lunch to school like the big kids on tv. another thing that school turned me onto initially was keeping a journal. i thought that was the coolest thing EVER. it had just never occurred to me to write anything down before, and here was a place i could write stories, poems, anything i wanted. i loved it. i still have some of them, and boy are they hilarious. "i want to be the 2th madonna and cindy lauper" is a great quote. i was six years old.
anyway, being in the gifted program was good, but there are huge gaps in my education cos of it, if you can believe it. things like basic geography and grammar were never taught to me, in favor of logic puzzles and shit like that. "brian, julie, and rick have pets. they have a dog, a fish, and a bird. who has which pet? brian's pet has no feathers. julie's pet..." blah blah blah. we also did stuff like pretend to be world leaders at a conference (this was in, maybe, 4th grade) and discuss issues. etc. but i don't know the state capitals, or all the presidents, or anything like that.
 
 
No star here laces
03:49 / 21.05.04
I got a gold medal on a ribbon and my name immortalised for posterity on the "Dux" board. Ph3ar me.
 
 
Char Aina
04:09 / 21.05.04
dux.
pah and also meh.

the dux of '68 or '69 came back to our school and taught, also taking the disciplinarian role of depute rector.
he was as fascist a prick as ever a child did meet.
offered to expel me for several laughable reasons.

he went to uni in the late sixties/early seventies, and seemingly missed all the parties.
he stil lives with his mum.
he's single.
he teaches at the school he went to.
he went for rector recently, after years of service, and was basically turned down because he had no partner(ie wife, i cant imagine these governors instating a gaylesbitrans rector) to take to functions.
he stayed on.


dude, i used to fear this guy, or at least his power.
now i pity him.
i pity him and his poor mum, imagining her thinking his captaincy of the cricket team and status as an oxford blue would mean he could get a girlfriend, perhaps even move out.


just make sure you dont stay at home for too long, yeah?
 
 
Char Aina
05:06 / 21.05.04
oh.
yeah.
me.

i was smart.
real smart.
i had the periodic table down by age six and sailed through my chemistry a-level as a treat for my mum on her birthday two years later.
after that i diversified, adding french and german to my meagre collection of languages.(until then i had only ventured as far as the classics and a smattering of tanzanian dialect swahili)
physics came naturally to me, and therefore bored me. i thrived only through challenge and difficulty.

while i still studied the sciences, my main focus through the ages eight til twelve was my music. i passed grades eight, six and three in guitar, piano and tambourine by my tenth birthday, and was able to give my debut concert as part of the festivities. i seem to recall my fugazi covers going down well, whilst strangely my stirring rendition of 'speed bonny boat' was all but ignored.

during this foray into all things melodious, i was teaching myself to drive. the driving was really an issue with my parents. they were dead against it, and much of my training was done in secret. many an hour passed straining my eyes to read car manuals and performance reports under the bed clothes, readying myself for the day i would be legally able to take my test.

actually, thinking back, the driving was actually the first big upset parentally.. it led to my first 'running away from home' episode.
i still have the cutest picture of me, red wellies and a wee black polo neck and little else, carrying my MrT suitcase filled with books and food, smoking a gauloise as i waited for my taxi.
of course, as with most kids,i didnt get very far.
my plane stoped over in barcelona, and a friend of my father's was there to escort me off the plane. to be honest, i was ready to go home.

i think that run taught me more than i then realised, and it certainly cleared the air between mum and myself. the futility of escaping our fundamental natures, and all that.
as you can no doubt tell from my choice of cigarette, i had become entranced by the works of the existentialists since my tenth birthday. my birthday copy of existentialism and humanism actually had to be replaced three times, i read it so often that year.
my burst for freedom was the begining of my shaking off of the shackles of that philosophy, i now see.

it is strange how you become so obsessed by philosophies and ideologies at that age, isnt it?

eleven would be the year of situationism, twelve i was nothing but nihilistic, and by thirteen i had grown out of the european scene and was becoming more intrigued by the works of the east.

then, like an H-bomb of hormonal imbalance, puberty hit.

fom thirteen and a half onward, i was beset by feelings of there being something missing in my life, and i am ashamed to say i ran away a few more times. most embarrasing of these adventures was when i was returned, now a bitter alcoholic, to my mother but by accident.

the circus i had joined as it left our town had a tour of only six major cities, and it returned before i had even had a real hangover. not only had i yet to be made a clown, i had yet to be noticed, hiding in the ape enclosure. i had kept alive on a diet of banans and homemade banana-skin vodka distilled in partnership with a kindred spirit; a friendly young orangutan whom i named rimbaud.
my mother was quite understandably shocked at the appaling promotional opportunities that the circus had offered me, and demanded i clean up my act.


rehab was where i spent most of my later years, off and on.
i was never there for the health aspect, no matter what i told mum and dad. no, i went because i had figured out what i was missing from my life. it took me a while, and meeting a contortionist named lorinda to figure it out, but what i needed was ASS. rehab is a surprisinly good place to get chicks when you are a fourteen year old alcoholic who can get uncut colombian delivered to the dormitory for under thrty a gram. there are women (and men, i was only young and still playing) who will do almost anything for that slice of nice that cocaine will bring. most of them fiound their way to my weekend retreat.


all of which neatly brings us to when the invisibles started...


around the debut of volume two, i bought my first suit and attended my first job interview.
there was something in this tale of free spirits, mystical anarchists and arrogant vigilantes that made me want to be richer. MUCH richer.

after a stint as a freelance consultant with goldman sachs, i am now a partner in the biggest dealer of those hollow points they use for exploding shells. i'm not ashamed to say, i love my product.
it takes the entire back of your head off, and makes it into money!

all of which brings up to the point at which i joined barbelith...

its been downhill since then, really.

stay in school kids.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
05:06 / 21.05.04
Turns out I'm really good at taking standardized tests. In middle school I was in the GATE program (Gifted and Talented Education), and in high school I was in a bunch of AP (Advanced Placement) classes. That was probably for the best, 'cause I wasn't generally bored, but sometimes it was something of a hassle: lots more homework, being a guinea pig for a specific honors program that was a lot of work but got cancelled before we got any of the supposed transcripty benefits. The main thing that I didn't care for was that the AP classes were frequently just very concentrated on making sure we passed the AP tests. Every essay I wrote in AP English was geared to getting a good score on the AP English test, so essays I was rather proud of got C's and ones that hit all the appropriate points but were uninspired and otherwise bullshit-packed got A's.

Most teachers were either harmless, or encouraging. There was one exception, who would change assignments when the GATE kids were off doing their special thing, so that occasionally I would stay up finishing some project and learn it had been delayed during the day we were gone.

My parents were great. I never felt pushed, and while they made it clear they were proud of me, they cut me down to size when I started bragging. So overall I was happy to be one of the 'smart kids' but I never felt like I was superior to the kids that didn't have my facility for filling in the correct bubbles with a #2 pencil.
 
 
No star here laces
05:48 / 21.05.04
hahaha. Toksik, I think our schools had different meanings for the word "dux".

At my school we had a "head boy" and a "dux". The head boy was the captain of the rugby team, beloved of all the school and the enforcer of discipline for younger children.

The Dux was the scrawny reject who got a consolation prize for being good at exams...
 
 
Char Aina
06:12 / 21.05.04
nah, we had prefects, house captains, a head boy and girl, and then atthe end of each year, a boy and girl dux.
most folks chosen for the dux medal were also house captains(all were at least prefects), something they only gave to the sporty types.

i just love to think of my depute rector being good at everything except being happy and fulfilled.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
07:00 / 21.05.04
School was relatively crap for me academically. Everyone thought I was really clever but I think a lot of this was based on the fact that I liked reading, was useless at sport and wore glasses which due to low parental income were those nice black rimmed NHS ones. Sadly this extended to the teachers whose mantra seemed to be "you're a smart boy, you're just not applying yourself, you could do so much better" everytime I turned in an average score on a test or a mediocre piece of homework. Sadly this was with alarming frequency.

Naturally, being the impressionable child that I was, I believed every word. Even my "right on the average line GCSEs could not disuade me from this assertation that I was part of the throbbing frontal lobes brigade. Around the second year in college the truth started to dawn on me and that's when I started to give up academically. This resulted in my complete failure for A-level results.

I went to university on an access course but I think this was more to do with family pressure. It's the done thing in my family and I remain the only one without a degree.

On an academic level I feel that school failed me. My flair for science was misinterpreted and, as I much later worked out, was based on a propensity for remembering numbers, codes and short data strings rather than intelligence. I wish that they had identified my real skills and worked on developing those rather than aiming me at high acheivement on a broad scale. I wouldn't have wasted so much time on trying to meet expectations.

I now hold onto my 73 IQ with a certain pride and an air of "you should have bloody known you useless idiots". If I had my way these teachers wouldn't benefit from the tax that I save the public purse as they sure as hell didn't contribute to it.
 
 
Tom Morris
07:26 / 21.05.04
Schools and universities - both bloody tedious places. Give me a good, well-stocked library and my freedom over these places any day. It struck me, a few years back, that all the things I'm most proud of in myself are things that I've taught myself. Would I be knowledgable about computers if I had left it in the hands of my schoolteachers? No. I'd still be figuring out how to move the mouse around. Would I be consuming philosophy books like heroin? No, I'd be consuming Victoria Beckham novels if it were left up to the state.

I refuse to entrust my mind to the state's education systems. They smegged up the railways - why should I let them destroy my brain in the same way?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:39 / 21.05.04
most folks chosen for the dux medal were also house captains(all were at least prefects), something they only gave to the sporty types.

So, they were like... the mighty Dux?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
08:52 / 21.05.04
Thin, very thin.

Go and drink some more coffee before you post again.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:32 / 21.05.04
Dude, I'm still puzzling over the idea that there were social aspects.

(Having said which, and at the risk of threadrot, I'm interested by how the idea of the social aspect interacts with the view of Tom Morris above. Perhaps the most important thing about both schools and universities is that they put you in the company of lots of other people whose experience of learning tends to be relatable to but different from yours... in the olden days, autodidacts used to be cranky and idiosyncratic. These days I'm wondering whether the opposite issue might occur - as we found in some recent conspiracy theory threads, the autodidacts, having interpreted similar data individually, came to pretty homogenous conclusions...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:21 / 21.05.04
Apparently in the mid-70s, parents weren't supposed to teach their kids to read and stuff. This was punished, as I recall, by the kid in question having to read different stuff from everyone else from day one, and therefore being at a social disadvantage. Come break-time "what did you think of that?" "Dunno... I didn't read that. I had to read something else. They never gave me the choice." "ooh, nobody speak to him, he reads special books."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:42 / 21.05.04
I'm just bitter cos I never got to actually read the books about the red, blue and green pirates in class. I had to read other people's copies on the bus home. Which meant I missed out on all the schoolbus banter.

Fuck, no wonder I ended up kil-

um...

...having, shall we say, an extensive patio by the age of 11.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:53 / 21.05.04
My problem was the exact opposite of Stoatie's because I could read and the teachers basically ignored it. When I started primary school they wouldn't give me a green spelling book for weeks and I was really puzzled by this because I knew I could spell. According to my mother it was because I refused to read the training books that they give you which were really quite a step down from Tintin. I do remember being in the school library and picking up books that were three colour spots above the ones that I was allowed to take away. Unfortunately this rebellion has characterised my entire academic life and I've been graded as an average student for years because I don't put any effort in to things I find boring (Thomas Hardy, Quine's logic). That explains perfectly why my English 'A'level ended up with a B grade when I got 100% on the drama module. Education system, you have failed me consistently by making me read utter rubbish!!!! I have an enduring hatred for The Mayor of Casterbridge, take it off the syllabus for Christ's sake and perhaps people like me might actually do some work!
 
 
Fist Fun
15:09 / 21.05.04
When I was in primary one they called my Mum into school because they thought I was dyslexic. I wasn't.
 
 
40%
15:23 / 21.05.04
Fuck, toksik, your post is so funny I'm actually going to have to finish it at home. I'm lucky if my supervisor hasn't heard me laughing already.
 
 
Smoothly
15:29 / 21.05.04
I too was put in extra classes for special children - the free-thinkers who refused to let their colouring-in be constrained by the lines.
Three mornings out of five I joined other members of the elite in a corner of the library, strewn with cushions, soft toys and diverting mobiles. There, our individual aptitudes were nurtured through finger painting and improvised drama; although if you just wanted to rock and think, you were free to. I remember playing endless games of 'fuzz buzz' and being given tests by specialists - sometimes using the coloured blocks, at others more advanced ones that involved putting our hands in bowls of hot and cold water.
It was a lot of fun, but I have to confess, we did rather look down on the ordinary children whose minds didn't wonder, thought maths and languages were about rules, and learned the alphabet in a particular order.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:34 / 21.05.04
You got classes for bright kids, I got remedial reading. Typical.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
15:39 / 21.05.04
I am ADD and was not diagnosed until I was 21, so I always scored well on the standardized tests. When it came to actual day-to-day school work, I scored mediocre at best. My mother was very involved with my eduction and helped me as much as she could. All through elementary, I had problems with my school work due to the ADD and an eye condition that made me legally blind (it has since gone away and my vision is perfect thanks to the careful application of lasers).

Once I got to high school, I was placed in honors classes and then in AP classes. When I graduated, I had college credits for Chem 1, English Comp I & II, College Algebra and Trig, Calculus 1, and Engineering Physics 1. My first two years of high school were abysmal. I was very angry with the world in general and did not really care about my education; my grades reflected it. Thankfully, I had wonderful teachers who helped me through the hard times and made the curriculum interesting for me.

The schoolwork wasn't hard, merely tedious. I was always more interested in figuring out how things worked and how I could make them work better and more effeciently. My mother put that to good use and set me to fixing things around the house. I suppose that set the stage for me becoming an Engineer.
 
 
sine
18:32 / 21.05.04
I was extremely lucky. When I was five my parents moved us to a school district where I had access to an extremely progressive (and now, sadly, cancelled) gifted program. One week out of the month, they loaded all the wunderkind onto a bus and drove us to a separate school out in the middle of the country. We would work, learn and sleep there for the week. Aside from intense writing exercises, complex math and science and heated debate, we wrote and performed plays, learned outdoor survival skills, practised walking (and jousting) on stilts, and of course, read and critiqued Ender's Game. Our teacher, Mr. Umanetz, would gather all of the finest writing at the end of the year and publish a compilation volume that we all got a copy of. I think back on those years and marvel, since they were really the only thing that kept me sane during grade school.

I remain deeply sad that kids in my area today don't have the same lovely opportunity, now that demographics and politics have clawed money away from the gifted, and we expect they will simply slow down to the pace of the common denominator and be happy to do it ("C'mon Billy, you barely have to work at all to get an A! What is this about a D+?").

When I went to high school, no such program existed. In fact, no gifted resources at all. I worked out a few interesting deals with some of the sympathetic teachers, but the whole thing was an uphill battle. I got bored, dropped out, and started a company to study transcranial magnetics.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
21:04 / 21.05.04
I've said as much before, but finding out I was supposedly gifted at the age of 7 was one of the worst things that could have happened to me. I was immediately uprooted from the circumstances in which I was flourishing, plunked into a hostile, grey environment that despite scholarships we were not economically able to afford, leading to certain moral compromises on the part of my parental guardian that have had ramifications to this day, 21 years later. (I maintain that this switch was done less for my own benefit and more for that of the aforementioned parent, who was much enamoured of the WASPy, priveleged fellow parents at that new school and aspired to be one of them, no matter the sacrifices within our family, of which there were many.) I very quickly lost my love of learning, and despite always maintaining the perception of usually being among the smarter people in any room, did quite shit academically. I try not to carry around much anger about these poor choices made on my behalf, yet I do not have anything to do with those people with whom I attended school for eight formative years nor, for that matter, with the aforementioned parent. That is, I think, the smartest move I've made in my adult life.

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