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Who's afraid of Michael Moore?

 
 
sleazenation
21:14 / 05.05.04
Read all about it... An Oscar Award winner, Moore's new documentary, Fahrenheit 911 was to be distributed by Miramax, a division of Disney. But Disney has "officially decided to prohibit" Miramax from distributing the film, the director said on his website.

So, what do people think? is it legitimate to pull a political documentary for commercial concerns?
 
 
eddie thirteen
22:05 / 05.05.04
Weak. I believe completely that Disney is afraid of financial repercussions -- the Bush administration has already sicced the FCC on outlets that have featured programs critical of itself -- but Disney's a bigger corporate giant than the United States, frankly. If Disney had the balls to release this (and it would certainly make a lot of money, and will for whoever is lucky enough to find themselves the new distributor, especially in the wake of this decision), it might embolden other outlets; as it stands, Disney's making a statement that the administration should be feared, which is very unfortunate.
 
 
stepinrazor
02:17 / 06.05.04
Don't worry so much - it'll get screen time at Cannes then go to the highest bidder. A friend of mine had a lot to say about this particular thing. I think he's dead on.

Controversy breeds curiosity in people and contempt in politicians.

While there's a war on, no one group wants to be in the spotlight. There are too many government contracts to bid on, too much business to lose out on. Press is press (for bad or good) and either way with their actions Disney is appealing to somebody.

Really when you look at it, it's just business as usual.
 
 
bjacques
08:04 / 07.05.04
If it's true Disney are afraid of losing big tax breaks from a vindictive Gov Bush, they'd be well advised to release the movie anyway. Moore's box office gold, and the returns might make up the loss, at least until Jeb is out of office. If Disney suppresses F911, it will be bootlegged to fuck and their offset will be zero.
 
 
thestrongarm
08:15 / 07.05.04
Disney are claiming that this is a Moore publicity stunt, and that the decision not to distribute the film was taken in May 2003. Michael Moore? Publicity stunt? Say it ain't so!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:39 / 07.05.04
I reckon that Disney's game plan is to attempt to stall this until after the election and then play it when it doesn't matter any more. Moore said on Newsnight that he wants it seem by as many Americans as possible before they go to vote.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
06:18 / 08.05.04
Less than 24 hours after accusing the Walt Disney Company of pulling the plug on his latest documentary in a blatant attempt at political censorship, the rabble-rousing film-maker Michael Moore has admitted he knew a year ago that Disney had no intention of distributing it.

Take it as you will, I'd suppose.
 
 
Char Aina
17:58 / 08.05.04
i take it as yet another example of micheal moore dissapointing me. cheap shots agogo, and most of them unfounded. he really is a useless figure for the left, and great ammunition for anyone who wants to discredit his political affiliates.

in other news, bradbury was apparently unhappy about the use of his title.
like, uh, fahrenheit 451, in case anyone wonders.
 
 
Source
18:59 / 08.05.04
They've already found a UK distributor for the documentary/film.

Michael Moore does a lot more than most - I've got a lot of respect for him, having seen Bowling For Columbine.
 
 
"See me for what I am, OK?"
19:36 / 08.05.04
Yeah, but I have a lot more respect for Al Franken, who is funnier as well.
 
 
eddie thirteen
06:13 / 09.05.04
Moore's ideas I tend to agree with. Moore himself seems like a bit of a windbag. Nevertheless, whether they did it a year ago or yesterday, Disney's decision not to run with the film remains pretty fucking cowardly. Had it gone the other way, I think Disney might have indirectly given a boost (in confidence, if nothing else) to other, smaller outlets that are in equal danger of running into problems with the administration, but lack the financial werewithal that Disney has to withstand brutal acts of politically-motivated, punitive financial assrape. Of course, with pretty much every media outlet now going on about the prisoner abuse in Iraq 24/7, there's probably more bad press about Bush than the administration can realistically do anything much about anyway, so it may be a moot point.
 
 
bjacques
15:07 / 10.05.04
Moore said Disney they wouldn't release it, but they didn't stop funding it. That doesn't sound like the makings of a publicity stunt. Moore probably figured Disney would come around later. As long as they kept funding going, Moore would go ahead with the film.

Eisner's been in trouble lately for personally cashing in despite the company's current troubles. Comcast's takeover bid nearly succeeded thanks to stockholders fed up with Eisner. It was a good bet that Eisner (and maybe his friends on the board) would be out by this year and the new regime would go ahead and allow distribution of F9/11.

If F9/11 isn't released, Moore can sue, and the film will certainly be bootlegged. Stockholders will have another beef against Eisner, for lost income.
 
 
Hieronymus
04:55 / 20.06.04
The New York Times writes that Moore is actually going over most of the film with a fine tooth comb. Actually hiring a former member of the New Yorker's fact-checking team and vetting pieces of the film that don't jive with the facts.

As proof of its scrupulousness, the Moore team cites adjustments it made to the film's portrayal of Attorney General John Ashcroft.

An earlier version of the film...included a reference to a widely circulated charge, broadcast by CBS News in July 2001, that Mr. Ashcroft had received warning of threats and stopped flying on commercial airlines. Tia Lessin, supervising producer of "Fahrenheit 9/11," said the reference to the CBS report was cut after Mr. Moore's fact-checking team found evidence that Mr. Ashcroft had flown commercially at least twice that summer.


The absolute greatest fear I have for this film is that Moore will monopolize most of it himself and leave it with the same sloppy half-truths and sneaky editing he did in Bowling For Columbine. As John Kerry is proving, give Bush enough rope and he'll happily hang himself. That's all Moore has to do. Get out of the way and show Dubya for all that he is.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:30 / 20.06.04
That's always been Moore's problem though... don't get me wrong, I LOVE that he does this shit, and he IS on the "side of the angels"... but he does tend to over-egg the pudding when it really doesn't need it and can leave him open to all manner of criticism later.

His strength and weakness are both that he is not just a polemicist but a showman as well- strength in that he can get people to listen, weakness in that embellishing stuff is not only unhelpful, it's counterproductive. For every godzillion damning facts he presents, just ONE that can be proved to be false can wipe all that out in a second.

Yup, Bush has plenty of rope. All Moore really needs to do is build a gallows. It's when he starts painting it I get worried.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:31 / 25.06.04
So....
has anyone seen F911 yet?

I'll be seeing in after the weekend.
 
 
netbanshee
21:27 / 25.06.04
Just got back from a viewing about an hour ago. It was good to see that the day had been sold out at the theatre by noon. Hopefully everyone will go out to see it.

Overall I thought it was a pretty good film and had a decent range of feeling to it. I'd think that most of the 'lith would be aware of the content of the film and it's underpinnings since we happen to be a well read internet peeps who are generally involved with matters of society and politics.

I don't think that Moore came off as controversial in framing the subject as most of the media would allow us to believe. It's just that a different perspective in and of itself can be quite different than the norm nowadays. It did a good job of allowing humor in at right moments as well as allowing the audience to connect with the impact of the events that lead us to the present, whether it be the September 11th attacks, the troops in Iraq, the justifications and actions taken, or the credibility of the U.S. officials making decisions.

So go see it and we'll all hop on the conversation train...
 
 
Sunny
04:36 / 26.06.04
just got back from seeing it, and it was really good, go see it.

and my favorite part-okay if you're reading this far it should be obvious that I'm going to spoil it if you've not seen it already-when Moore tries to get members of congress to enlist their children in the army...
 
 
netbanshee
06:15 / 26.06.04
Well... I guess SPOILERS are needed though it's a bit obvious overall... just for the flow of the film per se.






It starts with a bit of an "impact" (9/11) and then juxtaposes it with some sillyness as U.S. governing officials get their makeup on for more bullshit. The film is nicely edited with continuity in mind as Moore spends time building his case... basically that we're all living in a strange period of time where we should all consider who makes the important decisions. It did a good job of working the documentary angle and tried to be as informative as an interesting film should be. The previous clip that our man here mentioned was probably the most in your face spot of the film.






Overall, I guess the most interesting part of the film was the attending audience. It was good to see neighbors from past days walk by, but it was even better to see a diverse crowd. I'm still kind of wondering whether or not people from all "sides" are going to go see the film or if it's gonna become an anthem for the more liberal state of mind. I would like to think that Moore spent his time trying to give something that everyone should be witness to than giving something to us that we already have. But still... you should go see it.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:39 / 27.06.04
I was shocked that the theatre was full for a film like this. Seemed pretty diverse. It was an entertaining film. Lots of laughs and some tears from the crowd. The 1st big round of applause from the audience was when Moore asked the 1st congressman to have his son enlist in the marines. A marine sitting next to me (there's a large military population in my area) seemed to grow angrier and angrier as the movie went on, calling Bush a bitch sveral times. There was a standing ovation when the film ended. I haven't seen a standing ovation since I was a little kid and saw the Rocky 5 pic on opening day. Very entertaining, and the audience reactions made it fun.
 
 
Simplist
03:50 / 28.06.04
Saw it early this afternoon in a sold out theater. I tried to see it yesterday, but all shows in the area were sold out by the time I tried to get tickets around noon (not actually surprising given that I live in San Francisco).

I'm still gathering my thoughts on the film, but I will say it was considerably more restrained than I expected. Mostly pretty sober and tasteful, not at all over-the-top (though Bush supporters would surely dispute that). There were some very powerful sequences--I was alternately nauseous and teary for much of the film (but then, I'm sensitive).
The crowd reacted as you would expect a San Francisco crowd to react, and there was sustained applause as the film ended, and a smattering at the end of the credits as well.

Also, despite the prevalence of the "Moore habitually lies to strengthen his case" meme, I'm quite familiar with the material covered in this particular film, and didn't spot any howlers on first viewing.
 
 
Sekhmet
17:05 / 28.06.04
Saw it Friday, opening night, with a sold out crowd that was more diverse than I expected and applauded in several places and at the end.

I was expecting far more conspiracy theory, and over the top sensationalistic material. There wasn't much of either. The closest he came to conspiracy-mongering was the bit about the election, which is largely open to interpretation.
(*spoilers*)



I had never seen or heard anything about the protests in D.C. on inauguration day, and it went a long way towards explaining W's paranoia about protestors. Funny how the American press, as far as I can recall, completely failed to cover that.

The scenes of pre-war Baghdad, with the wedding celebrations and kite-flying children, might have been a bit rosy, but it was very effective when juxtaposed with the war footage. Some of that was extremely disturbing, as were the interviews with the soldiers.

For my money, though, the most effective part was the mother of the kid who died in the Black Hawk crash, before and after...
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:25 / 29.06.04
Saw it Monday, still a sold out show... the theater in which it was playing had also made it very public that it was going to ignor the R rating treating it as a PG13 instead...

Some very powerful stuff on film, the mother's visit to the white house, the Iragi mother prying to Alah for the fall of "their house." Very effecting.

That bit about George W's Air National Guard buddy was also substantial. Then a wide applause for BARBARA LEE along with HISSSes for Condilisa.

Plus some serious promotion by, of all people... HOWARD STERN
 
 
ibis the being
16:11 / 29.06.04
I'm not generally a big fan of Moore's (for reasons similar to what's been said above) and that, combined with the obvious importance of the film's subject matter, meant that I went in to the theater with a dubious attitude. But I was pleasantly surprised and impressed. I feel it was much lighter on the heavy-handedness and sensationalism that characterizes much of his other work, and thank God for that. I read in the Boston Globe today that although the movie is playing on far fewer screens than either White Chicks or Dodgeball, it managed to top both of those flicks in the opening weekend.

As the abovementioned Globe article pointed out, if nothing else this film will finally get people focused on questions such as why are we at war, is it really a legitimate war at all, is it possible that the Bush administration told us bold-faced lies? I think it can be easy to forget or not realize that most Americans aren't examining such things too closely - and not because they're willfully ignorant, I believe, but because the idea that our own government told us deliberate lies in order to sacrifice our troops for the sake of money is almost too staggeringly awful to consider.

In fact, I think that's the real strength of F911. I think a lot of people are usually able to dismiss "liberal" "conspiracy theories" like this because of the seemingly capricious way the "theories" are presented - sort as though they don't comprehend the gravity of their own charges, which lends them an air of disingenuousness. I've often felt that Moore is one of the worst offenders in this way, making controversial statements with a devil-may-care attitude that turns people off and undermines the seriousness of his causes. But this time Moore manages to present the allegation that the Bush admin lied and swindled us in a way that shows he recognizes how serious the allegation is, what the consequences of revealing the truth are, what it costs to people (for eg those who have family members in the military) to acknowledge the swindle.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:57 / 29.06.04
I've won two tickets to a preview showing in London. I rock!
 
 
Cherry Bomb
15:28 / 05.07.04
Saw this on Friday with my Mom. A lot of the stuff in the film (oil pipeline, the inauguration day protests, Harmid Karzai's connection with Unocal, for example) I was aware of, but my Mom knew nothing about it and was really shocked.

And I think that's one of the good things about this film. Firstly, it makes a lot of, shall I say, "interesting" information about the Bush administration quite easily accessible for those like my mother, who aren't going to scour the internet etc. looking for it.

Is it biased? Blatantly so. But I think Moore has a right to do that. He's not a newsman, he's a film maker who has been very open about his agenda.

I'm not a huge Michael Moore fan myself, but I thought the film was very good. Brilliant timing and it will certainly touch people who go see it.

The film is all ready the highest=grossing documentary ever in the U.S. and it doubled the amount of the theaters it's in as of Friday. I saw it in my hometown (a conservative Republican stronghold), the 10am showing and there were only about 5 other people there.

Good film. But, did it deserve the palme d'or? Je ne sais pas...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:18 / 05.07.04
Palme winners aren't always amazing films. Sometimes they're just good or interesting. Occasionally they're crappy. Often they're timely or impressive rather than actually brilliant.

So, yeah. Absolutely. Give the man a Palme.
 
 
■
22:57 / 05.07.04
It's good, but not great: very disjointed, no coherent argument (as Hitchens has rather snippily pointed out) and appears to have some glaring omissions if you want to see it as a documentary. There is no balance. Then again, who ever said it was supposed to be balanced?
It is very important for the reason CM just gave. We tend to forget that not everyone knows what we do about the Texas warmonkey and his pack. Time and again, in my research on political cartoons in the past month, I've come across references to US writers who have to read the Guardian or BBC websites to find out what might really be going on in the world. These are engaged and interested people. Who knows what the general US public think the world looks like?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:01 / 06.07.04
Good film. But, did it deserve the palme d'or? Je ne sais pas...

Ah, they probably only gave it to him because they wanted to give the film an audience and good for them! Bush needs to be exposed to America as much as possible right now, I see this as a gift to the American public from Quentin Tarantino and his jury.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:44 / 06.07.04
Because I'm sadly too pressed for time even for the cut-n-paste, my opinions of the film are here.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:42 / 07.07.04
I got your back Lady. Here's what she had to say about the film.

"Fahrenheit 9-11 was good last night. Not outstanding but good. It does seem a bit odd that it's being released worldwide as it's deliberately targetted at an American audience, telling them what Fox doesn't, reminding them of the news that has got forgotten and supplanted by good facts.

I doubt I'll ever get to see Michael Moore Hates America over here, which is a shame. The problem is that that film is dishonest, conflating America in the title with it's people which we are promised are in the film. There is no evidence that Michael Moore hates or even mildly dislikes the people of America, it's the corporations and the Government, especially the Republicans but also the gutless timidity of the Democrats (John Kerry notable in his complete absence from the picture), they are who Moore is against. It's annoying to see all the people who complain about Moore's dishonesty then lying themselves.

The thing that shines through this film is Moore's rooting for the common people. He may be one of the super-rich now, but he hasn't forgotten his roots, and parts of the film return to his home town of Flint Michigan, as an example of the people he calls 'the backbone of America', the families that have lost children. We meet a super-patriot mother, who hangs the flag outside her house each day and never lets it touch the ground, who is Conservative and has had most of her family serve in the Armed Forces. In one of Moore's more blatant scenes he has her read the last letter she received from her son before he was killed in Iraq, surrounded by her family. When she breaks down in tears at the end he zooms in on her face and holds it for a long time. It felt uncomfortable to watch, but Moore has two hours to make his pitch while Shrubya gets his message out twenty-four hours a day every day through the mass media, so perhaps Moore lacks the time for subtlety. The second half of the film has a lot of film from Iraq, casting the US troops as both Occupying oppressor ("I don't understand why they don't like us!" one soldier bitterly complains) and victims of attacks due to being sent there by Bush.

The best scene is the film's opening one. With the screen totally black we here the panic and chaos of the morning of September 11th 2001. We here the planes approach, the thunderous explosion as each of them hit the World Trade Centre, the gasps and screams of the bystanders. Then the pictures come up and we see the people standing, watching, running, screaming, praying, crying. And the sound is dialled away and we are forced to watch this mute. We've all seen similar pictures to this on our televisions hundreds of times since they happened, but from the start my TV gave me distance so it looked no more real than a video game or a new movie. Moore makes it seem fresh and new and brings back the horror. Michael Moore hates America? Hardly, he's as shocked, appalled and saddened as everyone else. But it doesn't stop him asking questions.

He doesn't believe that Bush planned September 11th. In interviews with House Democrats he clearly leads the viewer to the opinion that such measures as the Patriot Act were in a big Republican file marked 'What we'd like to do if we could work out some way of getting away with it'. September 11th was the gateway through which the Republican party saw it's chance. And he points out how the Government continually worries it's people with warnings that a terrorist attack could be imminent, it could be in their home town tomorrow! Fear stops the proles from complaining. Yet Moore lists a frightening list of cuts that Bush has made to the pensions of the soldiers, their disability benefits, the resources to treat them when they're injured. Budget cuts mean that Oregon has one part-time policeman to watch it's coasts, who cheerfully admits that he wouldn't know what to do if he came across terrorist activity. Moore clearly believes that the War Against Terror at home is a figment of the political imagination.

Anyone that's read Dude, Where's My Country will find the first third of the film familiar, when Moore talks about the close relationship between the Bush family and the Saudis, including the extended Bin Laden family. The problem is that Moore goes some way, then stops short. We have the case of the Bin Laden family being flown out of the country when no-one else could fly. We have close friend of Bush from his days in the National Guard (and is it only reasons of time that stop Moore from bringing up the question of whether Bush really did it?) who are now the bankers for Saudi businesses, who pumped money into Bush's companies that somehow managed not to find oil in Texas. We have ex-President George Senior, who left the White House and went into a cushty job that happened to be involved in setting up an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea that would run through Afghanistan. As in the book, Moore builds up a web of strong ties between Bush and foreign oil. But Moore doesn't conclude this. Does he want to say the Saudis are directly behind Al Qaeda? That they actively support it and that Osama isn't quite the black sheep rogue that the Saudi ambassador to Washington makes out? Chris Hitchen's attack on Moore is as unfair as he claims Fahrenheit 9/11 is, but he does make the point that Moore's various points don't coheer into a definite charge.

There are two countries in the Middle East that Bush has close ties to. And Moore tends to concentrate less on the other one and never really deals with them together because it affects his insinuation of dark dealings in the Saudi government towards America. If Bush is as close to the Saudis and would do anything for them, why does he take such a blatantly antagonistic line towards them in his support of Israel? The Islamic antipathy towards Israel is not counterfeit and the invasion of Iraq was as much about doing them a favour than anything, Bush's recent vocal support for Ariel Sharon would not go down well with the Saudi government, yet Moore doesn't touch this with a bargepole. Israel isn't even mentioned once.

Moore bombards his viewers with facts, sometimes at dizzying speed. Most of it seemed familiar, almost all of it is stuff we'd read in news reports and seen in the news but forgotten. There was only one time that I caught Moore out as deliberately playing with the truth. He talks about 'the Coalition of the Willing' that would invade Iraq, then mentions the three smallest countries who didn't have any troops to contribute. He doesn't mention Spain or the UK, just makes it seem that the Coalition comprises of countries that it's difficult to find in an atlas. Tony Blair is only seen twice, but one of those is in a gallery of shots when Moore is complaining about Bush taking too many holidays as President. I'm not entirely sure whether Blair travelled to America to meet Bush pre- Sept. 11th, but I'm sure that if he did it wasn't to sit around a campfire roasting marshmellows and singing songs.

This is not a perfect film, nor is really a film about Afghanistan, Iraq or Saudi Arabia but about what those countries mean to the United States. As such it should be seen by every citizen of that nation. What is needed is a similar movement to that for The Passion of the Christ, Sadomasochist, group bookings to get people in to see it for free, left-wing groups giving out leaflets as people leave. This is not a party political broadcast supporting the Democrats, but it's definitely attacking George W. Bush's fitness to be President."
 
 
Ganesh
21:55 / 11.07.04
Good critique, Our Lady. I guess I'd worried that a) it'd be full of itchy-scratchy Mooreisms, and b) the passage of time would've made me jaded and even slightly bored by the subject matter.

Saw it this afternoon in VUE, in Leicester Square. Reasonably full cinema for a Sunday afternoon, and seemed a moderately mixed bunch. No standing ovations, but applause at the end, various shocked silences, and a palpable 'ewww!' early on, with Wolfowitz's greasy comb-sucking.

Generally speaking, it was a lot less flawed than I'd expected; for Moore, it seemed comparitively restrained and focussed, largely free of the irritating trollisms which have undermined his credibility in the past. The segment on Capitol Hill, canvassing congressmen on enlisting their own children, was the nearest to the posturing situationist Moore of yore; it was my least favourite bit of the film, but even that didn't annoy me too much - he was driving home an extremely pertinent point, and the presence of Corporal Abdul Henderson also served to diffuse any sense that it was about Michael Moore.

I suppose there was also a strong - and inevitable - feeling of US-centricity. In many ways, it was the domestic case against Bush, rather than the global case against bombing Afghanistan, invading Iraq or getting in bed with the Saudis. Blair had only two brief appearances (one with his stupid 'hands in pockets' tic), and the piece on the Coalition of the Willing concentrated on ridiculing the smallest nations involved on the grounds that they were, erm, small. But then, Fahrenheit 9/11 isn't really meant for me; it's for Americans, and its relatively tight focus on the social and economic implications of Bush's wars was likely a strength within the US.

The use of 'ordinary Joes' - Moore's trademark schtick - was particularly effective here. I particularly liked his interviews with kids in Flint (and the scarily-ruthless military recruiters) and the two old ladies discussing how the war was all a "dupe" (the point, presumably, being 'look! these old biddies have sussed what's going on - not rocket science, is it?'). And, of course, "Conservative Democrat" Lana Lipscomb, who provided the 'human interest' heart of the piece. The strongest part, for me, was her visit to the White House at the end, and the confrontation with a pig-ignorant (but possibly quite representative) woman at the war-protestor's tent - and her naked anguish afterwards. Impossible not to weep along with her there; I was acutely aware of the camera's invasion of her grief, which was uncomfortable. But, I felt, important.

It was to be compared, of course, with the other emotionally harrowing part of the film, the footage of grieving, agonised Iraqis. Similar sentiments. I also found the Christmas Eve stuff difficult - the shouting soldiers charging around a darkened home, telling terrified women to calm down, while cuffing a male relative face-down on the floor. Then asking his name. And, of course, the grinning hooding/herding/photographing of captured Iraqis was a taste of things to come.

I actually thought Moore's interviews with soldiers were reasonably restrained. Okay, there were the fuckwit metalheads, but there were thoughtful, disillusioned types too, as well as the expected spouting of the "bringing freedom and democracy" line. And, of course, Lana Lipscomb's son's letter.

Biased? Well, yes - but saying so is a little like accusing Origin of the Species of being biased because Darwin failed to extol the good points of Creationism. It's already been established that 'embedded' coverage of the war, particularly in the US, was overwhelmingly biased in favour of the US/UK propagandist line - so complaining about Moore seems to be missing the point somewhat.

Fahrenheit 9/11 reminded me how raw my anger felt at the time it was all taking place, and I appreciated it for that. I agree it's a film every American should see - if only in the interests of balance - but I'm not sure I hold out much hope...
 
 
ibis the being
14:10 / 17.07.04
I'm rather surprised this thread is languishing the way it is. Are people underestimating the impact of Moore's film? Are Barbeloids generally not going to see it? It seems possible to me, not definite but possible, that F911 could influence the election in a significant way, and I'm really interested in people's opinions of that aspect of the film.

Moore has two hours to make his pitch while Shrubya gets his message out twenty-four hours a day every day through the mass media, so perhaps Moore lacks the time for subtlety.

I think this point of Lady's is key; perhaps non-Americans are unaware of this phenomenon, but here in the States it's like everyone (or at least every lefty) just laid down on 911 and let themselves be steamrolled by the right. Every time someone with anti-Bush-Administration, or even just plain old wholesome Democratic, agenda tries to speak out, liberals across the board go "SHUSH! Don't listen to him, he doesn't represent us, don't worry we're all Behind The President." Why is that?

I've read so much criticism of Moore's film from "the liberal media," and much criticism from those who haven't even seen the film because they don't like Moore. I want to tell those people to SHUSH. Look, I don't like Moore, and I know the film is flawed, privately I'm not placing either one on a pedestal, but publicly I'm telling everyone who'll listen to go see the movie. Getting Bush out of office is imperative, and if a movie can help in the effort, honestly I don't give two fucks if it lacks coherence, if it's "unbalanced" (WTF??), if it's only mediocre from a film critique point of view. He's been diligent about fact checking and he's got an extremely persuasive way of putting the facts into movie form - beyond that, let's shut up and rally the troops.

I thought the reason for showing the old anti-Bush ladies was not so much to show that old ladies can add 2 and 2 to get 4, but that everyday, bingo-playing, Walmart-blouse-wearing, presumably church-going American old ladies can question the government, can think Bush is a fraud, and therefore that anti-Bushism isn't limited to "America-hating," big city dwelling, radical Evil Liberals.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:04 / 20.07.04
Just came back from seeing this. I thought it was excellent, and SHOULD be seen by as many people as possible.

Politics aside, I think it worked better than Bowling for Columbine, largely because (even though I like the guy) there was less Michael Moore in it. He DOES have something of an ego, and he restrained himself admirably here, letting the evidence and footage largely speak for itself.

Yeah, in my case he was probably preaching to the converted (although some things- the 6-7% of the US economy being Saudi investment, for example- were pretty fucking surprising). But it IS a very powerful film- I was worried (before seeing it) that I'd come away flushed with liberal smugness... no, it made me angry, which I figure is what it should do.

Yes, it's very unbalanced (well, duh!) and at times deliberately emotive (which I don't really see to be such a bad thing when the things you're confronted with- the mother of the dead soldier, the fucked-up Iraqi baby- are REAL)...

I don't know enough about either the US electorate or box-office figures to know whether this WILL have an impact on the elections- but it fucking well SHOULD do.

Sometimes Moore can piss me off... this time he has my total admiration.
 
  
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