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Casshern

 
 
invisible_al
14:52 / 03.05.04
Anyone know anything about a film called Casshern? Saw a garbled article about it on AintItCool and wandered over to check out the trailer and ...oh...my...god.

Kung Fu and Swordfighting, check.
Armies of Giant Robots, check.
Beautiful people looking stylish, check.
Kicks the arse of the Matrix style visuals, check.

Damm I hope it's going to be this cool when I can understand what's going on.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:44 / 03.05.04
From that link:

An alternate world with an alternate history.

The entire planet was divided between two opposing alliances. After fifty years of bitter warfare, the Greater Eastern Federation triumphs over the forces of Europa and gains dominion over the Eurasian continent.

However, this is an empty victory. Years of chemical, biological and nuclear war have poisoned the land and left an exhausted population at the mercy of every pestilence and newly-mutated disease.

It seems that there's little hope for humanity's future. Debate rages over the chances of finding some way to stave off the seemingly-inevitable decline of civilization.

One man comes forward with a possible solution. Dr. Azuma is a geneticist who proposes a "neo-cell" treatment that can rejuvenate the body and regenerate humankind. He's driven in his studies by a desire to save his beloved wife, Midori, from the ravages of pollution-related disease.

He appeals for funding to the government but the politicians in the Health Ministry turn him down, fearing that the new technology will threaten their entrenched powers.

However, a sinister faction in the powerful military makes a secret offer to provide the support he needs to further his research.

When an incident occurs in the lab that sends the Professor's "neo-cell" cloning experiment haywire, a race of mutant human beings (Shinzo Ningen) is unleashed upon the world.

Instead of being the savior of mankind, the Professor's miraculous technology looks set to threaten its very existence...


It does look impressive. Almost steampunk in a lot of ways - the ticker tape parade has that kind of feel to it. Not entirely sure how it's all going to hang together, but certainly something worth keeping an eye on.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:06 / 04.05.04
The good folks at NTSC-uk know of this movie and its origins. Apparently, it's a live action remake of an anime series, an English language description of which can be found here. From the same company responsible for Gatchaman.
 
 
TeN
21:04 / 04.05.04
wait a minute, "Europa?" "Eurasia?"
nice job ripping place names directly from 1984! did they really think no one was going to notice?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:23 / 04.05.04
That's right. Because Orwell was the first person to ever use those names.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:27 / 04.05.04
Not that he even did use the name Europa in 1984, now that I think about it.
 
 
panthergod
23:44 / 04.05.04
You're acting as if those names were created by Orwell and weren't names for that area for ages. Which they were(at least, europa definately was since she's the Greewk mythological figure who us supposed to be who the entire continent is named for).
 
 
Bed Head
20:50 / 07.05.04
This probably doesn’t warrant a separate thread of it’s own, so I’ll tuck it in here as another instance of the wonderful ‘film-that-looks-exactly-like-a-comic’ trend that’s all the rage these days.

Written and directed by Enki Bilal: ‘Immortel’. Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic trailer on the official site. Apparently it’s bombed in France, and no release date so far for the rest of Europe or America. The IMDB discussions are hardly the place for informed discussion, but there seems to be a slight kerfuffle over the wisdom of having a French cast speaking English dialogue and then dubbing them back into French, or something like that. But! the trailer looks amazing: like a Bilal comic come to life, like The Fifth Element with the lights turned down, like just about everything that a film version of a fab, far-out Euro comic should look like.


(So as not to rot, there might possibly be room hereabouts for a separate thread on the films of Enki Bilal. I mean, he’s made three so far: writing, directing, and designing in the manner of a proper auteur, but I haven’t actually seen any of them and they seem to get terrible reviews wherever they’re mentioned. Anyway, IMDB entries for Tycho Moon and Bunker Palace Hotel, if anyone is interested. And if anyone on Barbelith has seen them, start the damn thread and tell us more.)
 
 
Triplets
00:24 / 08.05.04
Ha, I love being the first to know about stuff. I've known about Casshern and Immortel for months. I expect you guys to be on the cutting edge for christsake.

To actually add to this thread. Yes, they both look fucking awesome. Casshern is basically a live action MD Geist (an anime) crossed with Giant Robo. I have no idea what the fuck Immortel is about but it looks sexy and weird. Which are always good together. No idea what's up with that ghost eagle thing though.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
22:32 / 09.05.04
er...ghost eagle thing is Horus. Also got your Bast in there... Immortal looks a bit cheesy, but Casshern looks wonderful...should be fun!
 
 
hanabius yamamura
21:51 / 30.12.04
... just finished watching Casshern on DVD and I have to say it's an astounding film ...

... I'd heard conflicting reports on it based upon the trailer that's been on the net for some time ... some people thought it was dull ... some thought it disappointing or confusing ... I have to say, not only did I not find it any of the above but I found it to be one of the best films I've seen this year ...

... I'm very keen not to get into spoiler territory because a lot of the emotional power in the film stems from the last 30-40 minutes (of 141) but ... POTENTIAL SPOILER ...






































... I'd seriously recommend any fan of asian cinema - or, in fact, good movies - to check this out ... the end left me almost heart-broken with a sense of numbness akin to that I got watching Hana Bi and made me want to go and get my boy from nursery 4 hours early just so I could tell him I loved him ...

... the crime is that this film'll probably never get released widescale ...

... it deserves so much more ...

... oh, ps - there wasn't that much 'live action, manga style, giant robot stomping, kung fu fightin', kicks the ass of the Matrix style action ' going on - the trailer doesn't tell the whole story and the film is SO much more than you first think ...

h.k. x
 
 
Bear
21:55 / 30.12.04
I've had it for about a few months now but it's on the list, I need to watch Mean Girls first.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
22:00 / 30.12.04
... dude, watch it - dude, watch it ...

... realisations about the deeper parts of the story kept hitting me until I eventually did go and get my boy ... more hit me walking him home ...

... a very rewarding experience that gives you back tenfold what you put in

h.k. x
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:27 / 30.12.04
So... let me ask.

what region is this DVD?

can it be attained in the U.S?

If attained outside the US would it play in your average US DVD player?
 
 
hanabius yamamura
08:45 / 31.12.04
... it's a japanese DVD that a mate of mine ordered over the internet ... he's been lending it to mates ... I played it on my standard PAL xbox with the DVD attachment on it ... does that help?

h.k. x
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:38 / 31.12.04
In that case, it sounds like it's a region-free disc, because the PAL Xbox DVD attachment fixes the drive at region 2.
 
 
Bamba
00:04 / 08.01.05
This may come so late as to be utterly uninteresting but the DVD is Region 2 though, bizarrely, only the first of the three discs is in English. You get a beautifully packaged three disc set with the main film (wuth English subtitles) on one discs and the other two being various 'Making Of' documentaries with no subtitles at all. That's a bit of a shame in itself but the box looks nice if that helps? I picked it up from here for a decent price a good while back.
 
 
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09:21 / 20.05.05
the end left me almost heart-broken with a sense of numbness akin to that I got watching Hana Bi and made me want to go and get my boy from nursery 4 hours early just so I could tell him I loved him ...

That's so cool, and I can understand why after seeing this for the first time earlier on.

I was expecting an action/sci-fi flick with a story that you could easily get without being totally confused for ages, something that touched the effects of The Matrix but had a clearer meaning in it. When I'd finished watching it I was just like, I can't explain how deep it hit me.

It is so beyond most of the things I've ever seen that it's unreal. The story moved in a little slow, but then it hit hard, and the action scene where he battled the robots was pure magic. It was like it managed to deliver something that I'd been waiting to see ever since I was a Matrix freak and Reloaded came out. It wiped the floor with almost any other action scene I've ever watched.

After this I thought that I was going to get some more of the same and then feel content at the end, but then the story just got deeper and deeper, and by the time the end arrived it reached something epic that very few films can hope to get at. I'm really liking the Eastern action films now because of the magickal dimension that's added to the great ones, a type of place that Western films don't often seem to be able to find. Especially on the occasions when it entered a sort of otherworld, where the spirits of the characters spoke with eachother at the same time that they were having huge battles and suffering real trauma in their lives.

It was so much more than just action and effects.

I don't want to say anything else anyway, it's things like this that need to be seen to be believed, and words just fail to explain the whole thing.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
17:28 / 20.05.05
This looks brilliant. My Torrent-Fu should have it for me soon enough...

Actually looking forward to this, especially since I haven't seen a really good action film in too damn long.

I've been so starved of the good stuff, I actually went to see Catwoman. I feel deep shame.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
17:53 / 20.05.05
That's so cool, and I can understand why after seeing this for the first time earlier on.

... and as I type my post, I'm sitting with a beer and ma boy and my newly purchased PAL 2-disc copy of casshern with a tear in my eye at the memories evoked ... ... ... ... ... ... ... so I'm off to watch it again!!! V V V glad you enjoyed it, xyu, 'cause it's a damn fine film

When I'd finished watching it I was just like, I can't explain how deep it hit me.

THE LAND OF THE SPOILER IS BELOW!!!













































... hope that's long enough but I'm still gonna be vague ... the scene that really got to me was the family group shot of one of the main characters and when it clicks what actually happened when azuma's son was in the war ... ... ... that, and the last line of the film which had tears pouring down my face ...

h x
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:25 / 20.05.05
Aye, but you're a big jessie, Hanabius. And why does this Japanese film have a name that sounds like an Enya album?

I shall follow your instructions and watch it when I can.
 
 
hanabius yamamura
20:39 / 20.05.05


x
 
 
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16:30 / 21.05.05
Spoilers after this sentence so don't read if you don't want to know...












the scene that really got to me was the family group shot of one of the main characters and when it clicks what actually happened when azuma's son was in the war ... ... ... that, and the last line of the film which had tears pouring down my face ...

Yeah it was heart wrenching stuff that ending. I'm trying to think of a scene that really got me but I think it was more of the whole combination that led to the ending of it. The sense of regret and shame that many of the characters ended up in also made me emotional by the time the end had arrived.

Awesome though, and I'm looking forward to watching it again.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
02:16 / 22.05.05
Just watched this, and left feeling unfulfilled. Even though it's loosely based on the Manga "Shinzo Ningen Casshan", this movie blatantly ripped a number of it's plot elements off of the brilliant anime series "Neon Genesis Evangelion". I didn't want to judge it too harshly, as I did enjoy the film to a degree, particularly visually, but the striking similarities just turned me off. NGE does it better, and with a feeling of depth that Casshern is sorely in need of.
 
 
Seth
21:23 / 22.05.05
That's a bit of an unfair criticism. I mean, doesn't everything look poor next to Evangelion?
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
00:13 / 23.05.05
That's a bit of an unfair criticism. I mean, doesn't everything look poor next to Evangelion?

Maybe that's why the writers of Casshern ripped Evangelion off?

*****SPOILERS FOR EVANGELION AND CASSHERN*****
















Specifically the part with the neo-cell vats, two shot are copied almost exactly from Eva - the hands in the vat of red liquid a strange mirror of the scene with the Rei clones' arms and the spines in the vats VERY similar to the disused Eva prototypes.

The dialogue in places seems very reminiscent of NGE, and I also noticed that one song in the Casshern soundtrack was something from NGE. Not one of the classical songs, which I accept as common usage and don't really consider copying. However, a little over halfway through the film, during the Black And White sequence in Sector 7, there is a piece of music taken from Evangelion.

The protagonist (Tetsuya) is a young man who despises a violent duty he is expected to preform, and who questions the morality of preforming this duty. Both Tetsuya and The protagonist of Evangelion (Shinji) have distant or adversarial relationships with their fathers, who are both involved in shady scientific research in order to preserve their wives. (In Casshern to preserve his wife from a disease, in NGE to preserve her soul in EVA 1.)

The ending had many parallels, as well. Particularly the fact that the only two characters that are left are required to preserve the human race. In Casshern, the scene involves visual touches similar to NGE (the souls coming together) and the fact that one character continues to preserve humanity and hope (Yui/Tetsuya), which is a big theme of the last part of the film, as in NGE.

Other things as well, that's just what I can recall at this very moment.

















*****SPOILERS FOR EVANGELION AND CASSHERN*****

Yeah, anyway, it was visually nice, but story-wise, theft.
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:44 / 21.08.05
I just watched this movie on one of the biggest screens in town. I liked it very much, but it seemed to be at least half an hour too long. It especially dragged at the end.

And one thing I really didn´t like, was everything being over the top. The blonde guy jumping 300 feet, casshern being impaled on a sword and instead of dying he just walks it off.

I really liked the mutant leader and casshern´s father. They were the only ones, who believingly showed their grief and pain.

The movie was shown as part of the fantasy filmfest, which features lots of SF/fantasy/horror movies. I saw a weird horror bollywood movie today ("Kaala") too. Yesterday I saw the descent, which was amazing, and tomorrow I´ll finally see the league of gentlemen´s apocalypse!
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
04:32 / 24.06.06
I recently remembered reading about this somewhere on Barbelith, and immediately bought the DVD on the strength of the online trailer alone. Having watched it in a somewhat... chemically altered state, my impressions are a little blurred, but nevertheless.
[spoilers in here somewhere]
The sense of place throughout, and indeed the total visual aesthetic, was utterly fantastic...the settings were almost never unconvincing, except in some of the sequences which it later became apparent were hallucinations (I particularly like the scene in which Tetsuya is imagining having a calm discussion with Luna about why he must leave her alone, but is in fact screaming "It is my duty to my country!" over and over). The various different filming techniques/visual idioms seemed to gel surprisingly well, and the war sequences were genuinely painful to watch, although it took me a while to recognise Tetsuya's ghost early on due to the difficult nature of the war-story footage. The (surprisingly scant) battle scenes were utterly bizarre and consistently surprising with their visual innovation: the intercutting between the giant robots as flat black silhouettes against a red background and their real-world appearance was deeply satisfying, as was the use of genuinely deranged music, especially the repeated motif of the sound of the motor revving up in the background just before a conflict occurs. The whole thing was just so fantastically well-constructed to give a sense of a world gone terribly wrong, and the whole Second World War aesthetic added a whole extra historical resonance to the total moral bankruptcy of almost all of the characters. Little things like the Casshern-suit's turning from initial pure white to eventual burnt black and red and the use of black and white imagery to indicate the false dichotomy created by violence add up to an almost operatic whole - many of the action sequences reminded me of a music-video idiom, partly because that's one of the few mass-cultural outlets in the West where it's positively encouraged to create innovative, not-entirely-realistic visuals, and partly because of the sheer density and pace. The eventual simultaneous demonisation and humanisation of all the characters was deeply powerful and genuinely unexpected, especially Dr. Azuma's murder of Luna in the climactic scene. The passivity of the female characters is somewhat difficult, however - although (apart from the doctor in Sector 7) they're the only morally uncompromised figures, they're represented as simple reflections to the tempestuous main characters, posessed of almost infinite compassion and impacting on the plot only as objects to be sought and reclaimed. However, I rather feel that that's the point to some extent - if in this milieu to live is to harm a sort of cosmic gestalt soul, and this is mirrored by the actions of life when it is separated, then the only way to live is a path of almost passive tolerance - the female characters are morally heroic by refraining. Also mildly concerned about the Neoroid sidekick with (some sort of disability? It's unclear whether this is a failure of the regenerative process or whether he initially had said disability before being cut up into little bits) being played for laughs in some scenes, although his stop-motion dream sequences are nothing short of beautiful...
Tom Tit - I read the detonation of Tetsuya and Luna at the end as a suicide (it looks like one of them is pulling pipes out of the suit so it'll explode) allowing the total life-force of the human race remaining to come together and form another lightning-bolt to start life somewhere else in the galaxy, the "hope" being that the new lifeforms won't fuck it up as the humans and Neoroids have. Gah... Just the way every single character in the film is given humanity and a back-story and not one single death is thrown away gives me the shivers even now...
So, has anyone else seen this recently? I'd be very interested in finding out anything else adopting this particular visual or spiritual idiom as well, as I'm frankly rubbish at non-Western, non-mainstream cinema...
 
 
Ticker
14:16 / 27.06.06
After living off the trailer for a long time I got the DVD as a birthday present last year from my sweetie. It kicks serious ass though it is prettier than it is coherent in a lot of plot twists. Not a movie you can go get popcorn during and expect to have a clue when you come back.
I believe it was ordered from a Japanese site though it plays on my Region 1 player.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:36 / 27.06.06
I've just read all of the above posts and I'm honestly mystified. I felt like I'd just watched a heavily padded Power Rangers episode directed by a 15-year-old on crystal meth... totally oblique storytelling interspersed with ham-fisted "EMOTE NOW" bursts.

I'm glad other people got so much value out of it, but I just thought it was a mess. I loved Evangelion, and like a lot of Asian cinema in general, so this wasn't any sort of knee-jerking (I don't think)... I just felt like the whole project was slammed together as a demo reel for a computer-animation group with pathos dripped all over it Jackson Pollack-style.
 
 
grime
17:22 / 27.06.06
i gotta agree with matt.

concept-wise, i really enjoyed about 25%. the rest, like most dates, left cold and numb.

my favorite moment . . .










when the mutants assemble themselves and then attack the scientist, the alarm goes out: "code 206". i just loved the idea that these people have specifically planned and drilled for a zombie attack. are you listening, FEMA?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:31 / 27.06.06
...the rest, like most dates, left cold and numb.

I hope there's a missing "me" in there, or I'm going to have to question what makes your backyard tomatoes so damn juicy and delicious.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
08:43 / 17.12.07
While It hurt my brain. It can all be boiled to the line, "Father, I want to Kill You!" from the Doors. It's like a superficially similar film to a David Lynch's stuff, but to it honestly just tries one patience. It is all just a power-fantasy thing mixed with social-consciousness.

Look up the old anime instead, its one of those old animes that first made own to television in the U.S. in the early 90's. So it has that dirty, naughty feel to it. No real philosophy, per-see but it's fun to watch.
 
 
Seth
10:39 / 17.12.07
Agreed. I saw it this weekend and thought it was pompous, overblown, badly paced, rambling and under-developed with zero characterisation and no sense that you cared what happened. The violence-is-bad sentiments were pitched at primary school level but delivered as po-faced revelatory in a film that was somehow even more war-pornish than most anti-war films.

The funny thing is, if you take 'overblown, badly paced, rambling and under-developed with zero characterisation and no sense that you cared what happened' and replace pomposity with 'wry self aware humour' and 'violence-bad-sentiments' with 'joyous abandon in ass-kickery' then you end up with Godzilla Final Wars, arguably up there with Gainax' live action Cutey Honey as the most purely enjoyable zero-budget popcorn movie that I've seen since the turn of the Millenium.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
03:02 / 20.12.07
The connection you made between Godzilla Final Wars and Cutey Honey was great. I rather loathed the film personally. But you were right, it's the type of flimsy cinema trash that you almost expect Julie Strain to pop up in.
 
  
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