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The Cremaster Cycle

 
 
CameronStewart
19:10 / 01.05.04
Matthew Barney's "Cremaster Cycle" is currently in limited release in arthouse cinemas.

For those who don't know of them, The Cremaster Cycle is a five-part series of feature-length art films created by football-player-turned-model-turned-artist Matthew Barney, described by the New York Times as the "most important artist of his generation." The title is in reference to the male muscle that controls the descension of the testicles, and serves as a metaphor for the process of creation.

On the enthusiastic recommendation of one of my studiomates I went to go see Cremaster 3, the final part of the series (although it's part 3 of 5, the films were created out of sequence, with the third part being the "finale"). It's the longest and most elaborate of the series, and is, among other things, a retelling of the key tale in Masonic lore, the murder of King Solomon's chief architect Hiram Abiff by his disciple, set in New York's Chrysler building.

The film is incredibly long (over 3 hours) and moves at a glacially slow pace, but I was completely fascinated throughout by the imagery, which is beautiful (even when it's grotesque - such as rotting, dripping horse-corpses running a race, and a character shitting his own teeth out through a fleshy tube protruding from his anus) and perfectly realized, with photography, costuming and set design that rivals most high-budget Hollywood productions.

The day after seeing C3 I rented the dvd of "The Order," the final 30 minute sequence of the film, which is actually a coda to the entire series, a summation of the entire project, in which Barney scales the interior of the Guggenheim museum, trying to accomplish a task on each of the museum's five levels, which reflect each of the five films in the series. I rented it to listen to Barney's commentary track, and was delighted to hear that he *didn't* sound like he was full of shit - I've had to suffer through a lot of ridiculous bullshit justifications for Art-with-a-captial-A, and this wasn't one of them. His explanation for the film was fascinating and illuminating.

Anyway, I'm hoping to catch the remaining 4 films in the series before they leave cinemas. I've heard that they vary in quality, with the earlier films having a much lower budget and being shot on video, but are still very much worthy of being seen.

Has anyone else seen any or all of the series, and if so what did you think? I'm very interested in discussing the symbolism and themes of the films, and I figure this is the best place to do it...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:24 / 01.05.04
There's a thread on Matthew Barney more generally, which has some discussion of the Cremaster films here - might have some background at least.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:58 / 01.05.04
Oops. I did a search for "Cremaster" here in the movies forum and came up with nothing, I didn't think to look in Art (which is pretty dumb of me).

No reason why this thread can't progress, though, right? - the other one is 2 years old...
 
 
Moth
05:46 / 02.05.04
I've seen pretty much all of it at some point or another, and checked out the Guggenheim show. By far the most interesting one to me was 1999's Cremaster 2, which was also the first one I'd seen.

The 2-yr old thread is pretty funny. You can see a bit of the backlash that set in, but in the end I think his work's undeniably worth seeing. I can't imagine anyone staging something on the scale of his culminating Guggenheim show again; love it or hate it, it was a pretty unique achievement. Whether you think it was singularly ambitious and successful or obscenely self-indulgent and incoherent, could possibly change with your mood...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:17 / 02.05.04
No reason why this thread can't progress, though, right? - the other one is 2 years old...

No, go for it - that's a thread about Barney the artist, and this is specifically about the Cremaster Cycle, so even if was still up and running I think the two could coexist perfectly well..
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:15 / 02.05.04
I've read a lot about these films, but haven't as yet had a chance to see them.
I'm having problems Googling for them- all I can find is C3, with a caveat that the DVD is not the whole film...
anyone know if they ARE to become available anytime soon?
 
 
CameronStewart
14:25 / 02.05.04
I'm curious if the whole series will be released on dvd myself - I've heard vague rumours that it will be, but as yet nothing definite has turned up. On the strength of C3 alone it's something I'd want to purchase for repeat viewings.

As I mentioned above, the dvd that is currently available is the final 30 minutes of C3, a sequence called "the Order" which Barney says is actually not really part of C3 but was intended as a coda to the entire Cremaster Cycle. It was the first thing I saw of the Cremaster films - I visited the Guggenheim museum late last year and they had it running on a small monitor in the gift shop. I stood there and watched almost all of it before finally being pulled away by my less-interested girlfriend.

I think that currently the only way to see the films in their entirety is to catch one of the theatrical showings, if that's possible. Technically speaking, the film is a work of art, and not necessarily intended for mass production and distribution.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:02 / 02.05.04
I think Todd's your man for all things Cremaster, Cameron...

And an interesting point about Art vs. Cinema. The relative placement of the threads in Barbelith's fora set me to thinking...

Now (he said, at the risk of derailing the thread) I haven't seen the films yet, but I've been amused by the press coverage since the cycle started touring. Wherever the films play, almost all of the local and national media outlets assign the story to their art critics, rather than their film critics.* There seems to be a tacit assumption that the vocabulary of film criticism is simply not adequate to the task of reviewing these films.

Which is, y'know, kinda snotty—and (to my eye, anyway) patently false: there's a pretty high standard for film critics in the major markets (e.g., Roger Ebert, The New Yorker's David Denby, and Stanley Kaufmann of The New Republic)—most of these guys are as conversant in the works of Brakhage and Bunuel as in the product of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Obviously, I view the Art vs. Movies dichotomy as a false one. And most of the time, the arts editors of America agree with me: they won't bon't blink to assign a film critic to review something as abstract as Derek Jarman's Blue or as avant-garde as Songs from the Second Floor—both uncompromisingly "arty."

But for some reason Matthew Barney "belongs" to the visual-arts people—i.e., the painting critics—even if he's working in the cinema medium.

Why should this be so?
More specifically, why should this be true for Matthew Barney and not for, say, Julian Schnabel?



* One exception: our local alternative weekly assigned the task both to its visual-art writer and to film critic Jon "Sick Boy" Popick, who, while no Harry Knowles, is nonetheless a gonzo populist of the Joe Bob Briggs school. His take made for a hilarious contrast to the more conventional arts review, which spent 300 words saying exactly nothing.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
15:43 / 15.03.05
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the rest of the series, Cameron. I recently got 1-5, but when I tried to view them yesterday, I discovered many fucked up things. The Order, does it have sound? 'Cos mine sure don't. And it features as Cremaster 5 instead of the real deal. Does the first also have sound? 'Cos mine sure don't. The 2nd plays okay, but the 4th and 5th don't.

Perhaps I should hook up with a better DivX pusher.
 
 
matsya
23:28 / 15.03.05
Hey, Bambling - are those pirated versions of Cremaster? Cos what I heard was that Barney was only ever going to release The Order on DVD...

I loved the local paper review, Jack. I felt kind of similar myself. I bought The Order for my girlfriend, who's big into Cremaster, and watched it once with her, and then recently a couple times again with a friend, first without commentary and then after with commentary.

Okay, yeah, it's very interesting visually, kind of kooky-cool-fun, but I didn't feel any richer or more interested when listening to the commentary. It's interesting to read that you didn't think that Barney was just wanking on with his commentary, Cameron, because while I didn't think he was full of shit per se, what he was talking about seemed pretty arbitrary - sure the masonic symbolism was there, and the whole "encapsulate the films" structure too, but maybe you have to be more interested in Masonic lore than I am to get into it.

Also, I haven't seen any of the rest of the series, so maybe I'm doing things arse-backwards.

So yeah - visually pretty neat, esp. the dancing lamb-ladies and the cheetah-woman and barney all meat-coloured and scottishly muscular. Conceptually? Not so much for this little fishy.

m.
 
 
rakehell
02:12 / 16.03.05
It's worth mentioning that if you liked the films, then this guide is well worth the money - as well as being a fantastic stand-alone coffee-table/art book. Also, the hardcover, would be good for killing home-intruders because it's massive. I guess like a lot of art, some enjoyment is gained while some is lost as you find out more about what Barney meant to say as opposed to what you think he was saying. I would recommend seeing the films once, knowing (as close as you can to) nothing about them, and then again, after reading as much as you can handle about the cycle, though, depending on your take, that could well be just 13 hours and 14 minutes - plus reading time - of your life you're never getting back.

I'm wondering what the chances of the films being released on DVD seeing as how the Australian (region 4) version of "The Order" was delayed by more than a couple of months due to Barney umming and aahing over the final art work - I guess that's one of the big differences between most film and his film-as-art where everything connected to it, down to the packaging, is part of the overall piece.

As far as the art vs movie argument goes, didn't Barney say somewhere that his films are more akin to sculpture than film and that they're more about shape than narrative? I dont know what that says, but perhaps that's deliberate misdirection since film critics would have some hardline ideas about narrative, character, etc which Barney simply doesn't employ in the traditional/usual filmic sense.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:36 / 16.03.05
I bought that hardcover book at the Guggenheim last time I was in New York - I made the mistake of buying it FIRST thing in the morning, and then having to lug it around all day. The thing weighs about 30 pounds.

Some thoughts later - my brain is too fried right now but I will respond to the above posts...
 
 
pornotaxi
11:49 / 16.03.05
all of the cremaster films are available as avi / mpeg rips on p2p, if you look hard enough. i got them via slsk.
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
14:08 / 17.03.05
Hey, Bambling - are those pirated versions of Cremaster?

What pornotaxi said.
 
 
hopeless
15:46 / 17.03.05
Y'know, I saw The Order last Christmas. My dad had it. He's arty like that. We watched it, mostly on fast forward. It's pretty most of the time. It's well made. But I couldn't get over two things:

1. While Barney is climbing the museum, the music is a rif off the Donkey Kong theme.

2. All the characters look like some sort of Buffy the Vampire Slayer rejects. Thinking about that, it's not like they're rejects. It's just that the network wouldn't allow so much blood.

It reminded me of some sort of expensive con game.

But, saying that, I can also admit that it's possible that I'm not that deep.
 
 
matsya
22:20 / 21.03.05
sebastianhope, have you read the Matthew Barney vs. Donkey Kong article on gamegirl?

m.
 
  
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