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Just finished this disussion (obviously jellyrobes=me):
SmoothPatty90 (1:32:00 PM): ?
jellyrobes123 (1:32:15 PM): sorry, my comp struggled
SmoothPatty90 (1:32:20 PM): np
SmoothPatty90 (1:32:32 PM): asl?
jellyrobes123 (1:32:57 PM): but as I was saying, I think it's ignorant to cling to a viewpoint from your own cultral expereince and call anything that's different fromthat 'the devil' as so many christians do
jellyrobes123 (1:33:13 PM): 19/male/boston, MA
jellyrobes123 (1:33:43 PM): u?
jellyrobes123 (1:34:02 PM): could u invite me back to that chatroom?
SmoothPatty90 (1:34:09 PM): im out of it srry
jellyrobes123 (1:34:22 PM): ah, well.
SmoothPatty90 (1:34:28 PM): wait wat religion r yew
SmoothPatty90 (1:34:28 PM): ?
jellyrobes123 (1:34:42 PM): raised christian
jellyrobes123 (1:34:55 PM): exploring all types of stuff now, though
SmoothPatty90 (1:35:01 PM): o
jellyrobes123 (1:35:19 PM): interested in mystical stuff now, as that's the root of spirituality IMO
jellyrobes123 (1:35:33 PM): religon as it is now takes that away from the practicioner
SmoothPatty90 (1:36:01 PM): im a catholic
jellyrobes123 (1:36:29 PM): *hold back*
jellyrobes123 (1:36:37 PM): I go on for days on that subject
SmoothPatty90 (1:36:56 PM): why dont like catholics?
jellyrobes123 (1:37:12 PM): It's not catholics that I have a prob with
SmoothPatty90 (1:37:19 PM): the religion
jellyrobes123 (1:37:21 PM): it's the institution
SmoothPatty90 (1:37:28 PM): o0o0o0o0o
jellyrobes123 (1:38:04 PM): from the getgo, if you look it up, you can see that the Roman Empire pretty much corrupted Chirstianity from what it originally was
jellyrobes123 (1:38:14 PM): all documented if u look for the truth
SmoothPatty90 (1:38:27 PM): shur go ahead
jellyrobes123 (1:38:39 PM): i was Catholic myself originally
jellyrobes123 (1:39:32 PM): the deal is that constantine. the first Roman emperor "converted" to christianity, made chirsitanity the religion of Rome PURELY as a poltical move, to unite the empire past the various religions that had dominated it previously
jellyrobes123 (1:40:24 PM): He preceded to combine the teachings of Chirst and his followers with various other religions, mostly the cult of Mithreas who was the main relgion of rome before Chirsitanity came up
jellyrobes123 (1:40:44 PM): Dec 25? Not Chirst's bitrth day. It's Mithras'.
jellyrobes123 (1:41:18 PM): concept of chirst being born in a cave? that's was part of Mithras' story first
SmoothPatty90 (1:41:25 PM): 25? they teach its not christ b day
SmoothPatty90 (1:41:34 PM): they use it as a sign
SmoothPatty90 (1:41:43 PM): he wasnt born i n a cave
SmoothPatty90 (1:41:49 PM): he was born in a manger\
SmoothPatty90 (1:41:58 PM): as they say neways
jellyrobes123 (1:42:30 PM): cave/manger
alot of mangers and places where sheep/cattle were kept were in caves as well
SmoothPatty90 (1:42:45 PM): weather it was a politacal move or not in england henry made the english become protestans
SmoothPatty90 (1:43:01 PM): srry cant spell
SmoothPatty90 (1:43:03 PM): :-P
jellyrobes123 (1:43:28 PM): Yes.
But the other thing that happned during Roman times was that other schools of chirstian though were completely wiped out
like the Gnostics
SmoothPatty90 (1:43:53 PM): just because romes population is mostly cathloic doesnt mean its curroptede
SmoothPatty90 (1:44:11 PM): its only because vadican city
jellyrobes123 (1:44:14 PM): the Gospel of Thomas and Mary Magdalene was stripped out of the Bible, which gives people an incomplete picture of the Gospels from the get go
SmoothPatty90 (1:44:20 PM): and the pope happens to liv there
SmoothPatty90 (1:44:40 PM): i no it was stripped out
jellyrobes123 (1:44:40 PM): I mean rome as in ancient Rome/Roman empire circa 2000 years ago
SmoothPatty90 (1:45:01 PM): we never said that mary didnt have anything to do w/ jesus
SmoothPatty90 (1:45:12 PM): we also think sheis an apostal
SmoothPatty90 (1:45:28 PM): and she may have had an intiment relationship w/ jesus
jellyrobes123 (1:46:06 PM): well, here Gospel was stripped out partlyt was a way to marginalize the role of women in the Early chuurch, which is why women can't become priests
SmoothPatty90 (1:46:12 PM): its not like the catholics refuse to believe that that is a fake
SmoothPatty90 (1:46:40 PM): i agree that thats partly why
SmoothPatty90 (1:47:18 PM): women still can follow god and are not looked down on in the church
jellyrobes123 (1:47:40 PM): Another aspect of it, which is the problem I have with conventional religion, si the power that preiests have OVER the practicioners.
SmoothPatty90 (1:48:07 PM): the priest have devoted thier lives to god
SmoothPatty90 (1:48:21 PM): jesus through the priest forgive us
jellyrobes123 (1:48:27 PM): back in the days people were taught to find GGod--for themselves, for themselves
jellyrobes123 (1:48:41 PM): Preists don't have a monoploy on intimate contact with God
jellyrobes123 (1:48:53 PM): that's the duty of every cperson who is of the faith
jellyrobes123 (1:49:51 PM): the though of humans as inherently evil is innacurate, as oursouls are the image of God
SmoothPatty90 (1:49:58 PM): The priest if you are sort of married to christ jesus eat w/ the sinners he manly wanted to help those who were considered outsiders
SmoothPatty90 (1:50:32 PM): not that were evil we have origanal sin
SmoothPatty90 (1:50:42 PM): but god forgives our sisns
SmoothPatty90 (1:50:48 PM): **sins
jellyrobes123 (1:50:54 PM): that's something I am confused about-original sin
SmoothPatty90 (1:50:55 PM): he noes we make mistakes
SmoothPatty90 (1:50:58 PM): ok
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:05 PM): original sin
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:11 PM): we were born w/ it
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:27 PM): it gives us the option of free will
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:31 PM): to follow god
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:34 PM): or sin
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:40 PM): and do sum rong
SmoothPatty90 (1:51:56 PM): god gave us the earth
SmoothPatty90 (1:52:01 PM): as more of a test
SmoothPatty90 (1:52:09 PM): to see if we would do his will
SmoothPatty90 (1:52:14 PM): when lusifer
SmoothPatty90 (1:52:18 PM): the devil
jellyrobes123 (1:52:22 PM): because technically speaking Chirst taught the same thing that the serpent did--find Wisdom and trancend.
which is where the concept of Gnosticsm comes in.
they;re thoiugh is that the god of the material world and the god of the higher rality-the true heaven--are diametrically opposed
jellyrobes123 (1:52:52 PM): lucifer fell to earth--he is on earth right now, and this is his kingdon--fior now, until Chirst's energy returns
SmoothPatty90 (1:53:11 PM): its not his kingdom
SmoothPatty90 (1:53:16 PM): that is part of the fight
jellyrobes123 (1:53:23 PM): that's also to address the difference between the old testament ghod and the god of chirst
SmoothPatty90 (1:53:26 PM): he wants us to join him in his kingdom
SmoothPatty90 (1:53:46 PM): which is hell
SmoothPatty90 (1:53:59 PM): but he refused to help us when god sent him down
jellyrobes123 (1:54:05 PM): Writer Philip K dick termed the systems of Earth as the Black Iron Prison
SmoothPatty90 (1:54:12 PM): he said he would never bow down to human
SmoothPatty90 (1:54:13 PM): s
jellyrobes123 (1:54:52 PM): the systems of Oppression done by those wityh material power o keep those lower than them down
chirst will return in the end to free our minds from this prison so we cam join him ikn the higher reality
SmoothPatty90 (1:54:59 PM): black iron prison?? we can chose of course life isnt perfect because we have free will
jellyrobes123 (1:55:36 PM): Hell is Satan's punhishment, not his reward
there is now kingdom oif hell in the bible
that's a mistranslation of the bible that take on themes outside of chirstianity, as I was tlaking about earlier
SmoothPatty90 (1:56:40 PM): hell may be satans punishment but we stilll can go to heaven if we follow gods will
SmoothPatty90 (1:56:58 PM): satan tricks us humans
SmoothPatty90 (1:57:09 PM): he posseses those who are ignorant
SmoothPatty90 (1:57:18 PM): of god
SmoothPatty90 (1:57:41 PM): and those who dont have built up strength and faith
SmoothPatty90 (1:57:46 PM): those who fall easily
jellyrobes123 (1:58:19 PM): black iron prison?? we can chose of course life isnt perfect because we have free will
--of course.
but when you obsess over material objects for material powrr--such as weath, etc..it consumes yopu. Chirst knew this which is why he tauight top not be concerend with material objects.
Whicu h is why capitalism and chirsitanity are inherently contradictory.
SmoothPatty90 (1:59:31 PM): they dont teach the opposite why do you think they have charities
SmoothPatty90 (1:59:34 PM): to give to others
SmoothPatty90 (1:59:58 PM): satan tried to get jesus to chose power wealth and fame over god
jellyrobes123 (2:00:04 PM): and at the same time they oppose welfare, support tax cuts for the rich at the detriment to the poor, etc
jellyrobes123 (2:00:30 PM): Frankly, poltical conversatism and chirstianity are inherently mutually exclusive IMO
jellyrobes123 (2:00:45 PM): Chirst was a tree hugging hippy, to put it frankly
SmoothPatty90 (2:00:46 PM): theres nothing rong w/ having money
SmoothPatty90 (2:00:53 PM): we just have to share w/ others
jellyrobes123 (2:01:03 PM): Sure.
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:11 PM): and make shur we know that god is before $
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:16 PM): but
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:18 PM): jesus
jellyrobes123 (2:01:21 PM): problem comes when those who have monet DON'T want to share it, which is what usually happns
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:21 PM): said that
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:30 PM): i no
SmoothPatty90 (2:01:42 PM): but it doesnt mean every1 does that
jellyrobes123 (2:01:49 PM): no doubt
SmoothPatty90 (2:02:09 PM): they teach we need to give and help
jellyrobes123 (2:02:12 PM): but the philosophies of the Right wing..does.
SmoothPatty90 (2:02:18 PM): how old do you think i am?
jellyrobes123 (2:02:28 PM): ?
jellyrobes123 (2:02:33 PM): dunno
SmoothPatty90 (2:02:35 PM): just guess
jellyrobes123 (2:02:52 PM): uh.....18?
SmoothPatty90 (2:02:59 PM): 13
jellyrobes123 (2:03:04 PM): lol
SmoothPatty90 (2:04:00 PM): srry
SmoothPatty90 (2:04:01 PM): i live w/ a very religious family
SmoothPatty90 (2:04:20 PM): well i g2g
jellyrobes123 (2:04:39 PM): nice talking to u..Rember..think for yourself and look for the truth for yourself...
SmoothPatty90 (2:04:46 PM): guess we can talk later if yew want
SmoothPatty90 (2:04:50 PM): believe me i will
jellyrobes123 (2:05:18 PM): don't let other control what u think and look every where not just what u know..you'll be surprised at what you find..
SmoothPatty90 (2:06:32 PM): just cuz im young doesnt mean i only listen to mi parents i do disagree w/ sumthings but i no a lot about mi religion and other religions as well and i have found the truth in the catholic church and jesus' techings
jellyrobes123 (2:06:50 PM): :-)
SmoothPatty90 (2:06:55 PM): lol
jellyrobes123 (2:07:08 PM): trust me
SmoothPatty90 (2:07:28 PM): i no i have a lot more to explore and learn
jellyrobes123 (2:07:49 PM): there alot of shit out there that people don't know about becasue people put the wool over their eyes I know I'm trying to lern and explore as much as possible right now
SmoothPatty90 (2:08:52 PM): which is good...but yew have to remember yew have to do what is right and trust that god will help you
jellyrobes123 (2:09:10 PM): Hey, here a book for yyou to read..trust me with worth it..VALIS, by Philip k. Dick talks about a guys personal experence with god and what it meant to him.
SmoothPatty90 (2:09:33 PM): ill deff read it
jellyrobes123 (2:09:39 PM): it's semi autobiograpohical,,, and influenced the Matrix movies...
jellyrobes123 (2:09:49 PM): here's a quote wait a sec so I can find it..
SmoothPatty90 (2:09:50 PM): matrix? woa
SmoothPatty90 (2:09:53 PM): kk
jellyrobes123 (2:11:14 PM): Speaking to the Jews, Jesus said:
You are from below;
I am from above.
You are of this world;
I am not of this world.
[John 8:23]
jellyrobes123 (2:11:37 PM): They do not belong to the world
any more than I belong to the world.
[John 17:14-15].
If the world hates you,
remember that it hated me before you.
If you belonged to the world
the world would love you as its own;
but because you do not belong to the world,
because my choice withdrew you from the world,
therefore the world hates you.
[John 15:18-19]
jellyrobes123 (2:12:00 PM): He has sent me to bring the good news to the poor,
To heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to captives
And to the blind new sight,
To set the downtrodden free. . . ."
[Isaiah 61:1-2]
SmoothPatty90 (2:12:01 PM): ill look in the bible fer that one
SmoothPatty90 (2:12:38 PM): ill see the full story
jellyrobes123 (2:12:50 PM): And THE MOST IMPORATANT one..:
Think of the love that the Father has lavished on us,
by letting us be called God's children;
and that is what we are.
Because the world refused to acknowledge him,
therefore it does not acknowledge us.
My dear people, we are already the children of God
but what we are to be in the future has not yet been revealed;
all we know is that when it is revealed
we shall be like him
because we shall see him as he really is.
[1 John 3:1-2]
jellyrobes123 (2:13:23 PM): Read this after you read VALIS, otherwise it won't make much sense:
http://www.antiqillum.com/glor/cosmo.htm
SmoothPatty90 (2:13:29 PM): ok
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