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H3ct0r L1m4
15:54 / 27.04.04
not an April 1st hoax after all... they're giving accounts away at product exibitions and for Blogger users:

https://gmail.google.com

but there are lots of privacy concerns regarding spam, wiring accounts and some apparently nasty cookies, as this Wired article reports.

I'm tempted to open one to move big files around, but at the same time suspect this may not be a good idea in the future. what do you think?
 
 
Hieronymus
17:06 / 27.04.04
Hell no. The targeted adverts would use key words after scanning your private e-mail - posting adverts for pharmaceutical products, for example, if a message mentions a medical condition [or ads for airline tickets posted if you're talking about taking a vacation with someone]

Customized ad-bombs aimed squarely at my conversations? No thanks.
 
 
Tom Morris
17:08 / 27.04.04
I'm not sure why I should. I've got lots of mail storage already. It's called my hard drive.
 
 
kosmonaut
18:20 / 27.04.04
I certainly would. I'm tired of struggling to find space in my Yahoo account. And I'm pretty sure that Big Brother would find my e-mail rather tedious and juvenile.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:39 / 27.04.04
Only if, for some reason, I needed online storage of really massive files that wouldn't get me into trouble - you could use it as a way to share files between people, for instance, tell everyone the password (this assumes that you trust them). I wouldn't use it as a day-to-day account. I'm funny like that.

I'm getting a bit sick of Google. They provide some excellent services but I hate their cavalier, jokey attitude to data protection issues.
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
18:48 / 27.04.04
Too bad, bro. It's caught on. THEY OWN YOUR SOUL!!!

I like google images, like the porn fiend I am. I guess they have me by the balls too. *snicker* balls...
 
 
Warewullf
22:20 / 27.04.04
Might be useful for people who get a lot of porn mail from Yahoo Groups. They probably get a lot of spam anyway.

*cough* Y'know, just for example...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:06 / 28.04.04
amm... just out of curiosity: why was this moved from the Laboratory folder?
 
 
Hieronymus
04:35 / 28.04.04
Given its Big Brother tenacity, I think it deserves to be searched for within the Lab. Or Switchboard.
 
 
Tom Coates
20:15 / 29.04.04
It's a tricky one this - the whole reason it's a good idea for them to do e-mail at all is because they can use their search technology to help you find the messages taht you want, and they don't do that by magic - they'd have to create an index of your e-mails to do that. And people are going to have more and more e-mails and need ways of storing it and indexing it, so if they want to do it publically then that's what's going to happen I guess. Also when you send e-mails they're all stored on at least two-four computers anyway - ISPs are forced to keep records just in case there's a need for them in a court case. So that's nothing new.

Realistically, how much of an invasion of privacy is it to have a computer match keywords with adverts? In and of itself, Google do that every day just like every other search engine company. You put in your search terms and they bring you back with results and with adverts. You are partly tracked so that in aggregate they can improve the search results. Is that bad? It has advantages for you on the one hand (better search results, companies that can afford to give you services based upon advertising, arguably even useful adverts). It also has some disadvantages - wasted screen real-estate etc. But there's not really much of a difference between somehting being searchable (or even browsable) on an ISPs computer and being indexable with things stuck next to it. I mean all Barbelith posts and e-mails and private messages are stuck in a big database somewhere too. Is it really a greater threat to your privacy if I checked how many private messages people sent and made the link resize accordingly so that people who didn't use it wouldn't have to look at the link? Or if I set up an alerts mechanism that recommended threads I thought you'd like based on the ones you'd previously posted to?

There's a good article abotu this by Tim O'Reilly here: The Fuss About Gmail and Privacy: Nine Reasons Why It's Bogu
 
 
■
20:31 / 29.04.04
Lunch. Free. Such. No. A. Thing. As. Is. There.
Rearrange to make a common phrase that applies to all such shitty ideas.
 
 
■
20:35 / 29.04.04
What bothers me more (and I think I may have mentioned this before) is that posts we all thought were largely untraceable and relatively anonymous on usenet ten years ago can ALL be searched via Google now. How long before the unencrypted email transferred through the massive Google server capacity is similarly catalogued, especially mail that falls under the terms of Gmail T&C?
No thankew.
 
 
TeN
00:52 / 02.05.04
"Given its Big Brother tenacity, I think it deserves to be searched for within the Lab. Or Switchboard."
Switchboard, I think, would be far more appropriate.

Honestly, I don't see what the big fuss is. If Google isn't actually reading the e-mails, they're just scanning them via computer, I don't have any problems at all. Besides, Google is a company, not a government organization, if you don't like it, don't use it, it's that simple.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:56 / 23.06.04
It's a pretty great service, actually.

Plus a friend of mine works there and they're far too busy with other things to bother reading our 'War Machine' proposals.

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Cato.the.Elder
20:14 / 23.06.04
I'll use it. Or, at least, I'll have an account when they let me. I don't care for having a machine reading my messages. Sadly, I'm not (yet ) involved in any great conspiration, so I'm not paranoid about privacy. And I prefer Google selected text ads to the generic html (¡or even flash!) ads from other free accounts. I even prefer it to the message that gets attached in all my corporative mails:

"The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is prohibited without the prior written consent of Indra. If you have received this communication in error, please, notify the sender by reply e-mail"

Anyway, I understand that some people wouldn't use it. What I won't accept are those initiatives in order to ban it. I'm not a child, and I can choose to let a machine scan my mail if I want to.
 
 
Lionheart
16:58 / 25.06.04
Ofcourse they're scanning your emails via a computer! How do you think spam filters work?
 
 
Multiple Man
18:21 / 29.06.04
And does it honestly matter if they were reading your emails? Spyware and Adaware/Pop-ups are very easy to remove and i dont have anything i feel i have to hide in my emails.


Plus, my new 1GB account ROCKS
 
 
w1rebaby
03:41 / 01.07.04
I like it now. Not because of the storage size, basically because the interface is just great. Of course, Opera's mail client did a lot of this last year, but that wasn't cross-browser, and that matters to me.

It's also all colourful and friendly.

I take back everything I said.
 
 
Linus Dunce
23:14 / 01.07.04
If Google isn't actually reading the e-mails, they're just scanning them via computer, I don't have any problems at all. Besides, Google is a company, not a government organization, if you don't like it, don't use it, it's that simple.

Surely, to "read" and to "scan" by computer are one and the same thing? Unless by "read," you mean employing temps to sit there actually going through the messages looking for seditious words.

Governments have, do and will use commercial data for surveillance. So the distinction between governments and companies isn't a distinction at all.

E-mail has never been secure. If somebody wanted to read my e-mails, I imagine it would be pretty easy. But why make it easier for them by putting the messages all in one place, under the control of one company? And once I have handed them over, I can never take them back. Never. No matter who ended up owning Google.

It's not the same as your Barbelith info. Somewhere inside the Barbelith database is my e-mail address and what could be deduced as my home IP address. But it's pretty much a dead end. Knowing this info will not necessarily give you the names and addresses of all my family, friends and other contacts. E-mail content does exactly that.

However, paranoia aside, I already have a better e-mail solution. I use an e-mail client that downloads all my messages to my hard drive. That's a lot more than 1GB of storage. I can search for text strings using that client (Eudora seems a lot quicker than Outlook at doing that, BTW) and if I wanted to run a more sophisticated query, I'm sure I could lash something together. And it works off-line. No matter where I am, what technical problems arise, or if I simply haven't paid my phone bill, I will always have access to my personal correspondence and all the information therein.

And, on a simple, consumer level, supposing I later change my mind, decide I don't like Google and want to move to Yahoo or whoever. How easy will it be to transfer across 1GB of e-mails? Not easy at all, I'll wager, and certainly not free.

So no, I don't think I will use G-mail, thanks.
 
 
TeN
14:19 / 04.07.04
The funny thing is what kind of ads are likely to pop up. For instance, suppose I call my freind a douchebag in a letter... on the bottom of the page, will there be a banner ad for a certain "feminine product?"
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
01:25 / 09.07.04
My dad got in on the beta a while back. He asked me if I wanted an account and I declined. I could see the use for hauling large files, but it still creeps me out. Even if Google is the cute and fuzzy company they make themselves out to be, money ususally kicks idealism's ass in the end.

On a side note, other webmail providers have offered higher amounts of space in response; for example, Yahoo users get 100MB (I learned this from my friend). Im still using my *cough*subscription* .mac account because i like to donate to my favorite charity (apple).

Wow now that makes less sense having read it. Oh well.
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
21:28 / 29.08.04
I for one think the gmail service is excellent. Absolutely no intrusive ads; you tend not to even notice the targeted ads on the RHS of the screen. Not every message has adverts, either. Love the conversations idea, too - very user friendly.

If anyone wants a gmail account, for whatever reason, I have more invitations available than I have friends, so I'm offering up a gmail account to the first three people to ask me for one (Private Message me, please).

Roll up! Roll up! Get your
corporate database gathering tool here!
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
16:52 / 31.08.04
Just a note to let you know all my invites have gone now...
 
 
jmw
22:03 / 31.08.04
I asked for one last month from a nice gent and now have one. The funny thing is, I haven't used it yet. I may use it for work purposes, I suppose.

J...
 
 
nidu713
20:09 / 02.09.04
I think that the Google Mail is excellent... in comparison to it's main competition in the free email service market. Hotmail/Yahoo ads are full graphics that eat up bandwith, while gmail delivers text ads. To top it off, the way the mail conversations are stored in threads rather than single emails will probably define the next generation of protcol for email interfaces. And anyway, if I was that concerned about invasion of my privacy, I'd just encrypt my messages... which anyone with a bit of techno-literacy can figure out how to do.

Google - you rock! (for now... until something else better comes along, and I dump you like last weeks rotting left-overs.)
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
19:11 / 03.09.04
Pibu, I know Mac OS X's built-in e-mail client does the thread thing and it is way cool.
 
 
Sekhmet
17:41 / 13.09.04
I don't have g-mail, but I am on a group listserve with some friends who do. After a spirited debate this morning about gun control and various related government conspiracy topics, one of my friends pointed out that the ads now showing up on his gmail included the following:

1) Confederate flags for sale on ebay,
2) Books on Freemasonry at Amazon, and
3) Home security products.

Apparently the keywords popping up in the discussion content induced this adblitz. Considering the thread also included words like "revolution", "semi-automatic" and "uprising", I'm wondering if we should all be preparing to expatriate.

I am vicariously creeped out...
 
 
Cato.the.Elder
09:42 / 02.10.04
I have one account, and I love it, and I've made it my primary address. I used to have my mail scattered between different accounts (work, home...). Righ now, all my personal mail goes to the same place.

Ok, I'm losing privacy... I'd rather this not to happen, but... Gmail It's sooo cool.


And yes, Apple email does the almost same thread thing, but not exactly: Gmail's conversation are much more easier to read, the interface is really beautiful... Apple has also a great search engine (light-years away from M$ Windows...), and you don't have to worry about aorting your mail, but google's search is, of course, much more powerful. (Believe me... It's difficult for an Apple zealot as me to admit this things...)
 
 
Enamon
14:23 / 02.10.04
I'm not fan of GMail. All it is is a giant Javascript program that takes a hefty computer to run and only certain browsers support it. I mostly use Yahoo mail. Sure, it's 100 megs but it's not bandwidth intensive and I can read my mail using a text-only browser.
 
 
charrellz
17:49 / 15.10.04
I'm enjoying my gmail account alot. The large storage space makes file transfers between your own computers or to a buddy quick and easy. Whenever I finish a paper for school I e-mail it to myself and leave it in my gmail account incase I need it elsewhere or have a catastrophic system failure similar to the one during finals last december (I still get pissed when I remember that). My brother and I use gmail to send files to each other all the time since we have good connections but are in environments alittle too hostile for most file sharing programs. And yeah it scans your e-mails and thus you don't have privacy, but all the e-mail services are monitoring your e-mails, google just doesn't hide it and instead puts it to good use.

By the way, I got a couple invites left, so PM me if you want one.
 
 
xenosss
19:34 / 15.10.04
I hardly use my Gmail account but have found a new use for it: pure file storage. viksoe.dk has a GMail shell extension that sets up access to your GMail account as another hard drive. Go to http://www.viksoe.dk/code/gmail.htm to find out a little more. I haven't gotten mine to work (I don't know why, there's not really any documentation, I blame my school's firewall), so I can't comment on how well it works. It's a good concept none the less.
 
 
Lionheart
13:47 / 18.10.04
I've got 6 invitations. Who wants one?
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
17:53 / 26.10.04
And I've got another 4 spare accounts - PM me if you want one...
 
 
coweatman
05:42 / 19.11.04
gmail sketches me the fuck out. i don't want an account, i don't want to send mail to an account, and i really don't want an account on any email list that i'm on. i'm already on at least one email list that i know for sure is being monitored.
 
 
Glandmaster
09:10 / 24.11.04
I have one and I dont care. I like the way it deals with your contact list.

If you are really worried about the issues that gmail seems to raise then check this:

A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003 – Also Known as USA Patriot Act II

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at everything to “determine” if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures – has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

Source
 
  

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