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kovacs, he say: "Vader wants Luke by his side as Sith rulers of the Galaxy, father and son. You're implying, rightly I think, that this conversation about the Sand People would serve to make Luke realise the bad path he was going down, and shock him out of it. If Vader says "I did much as you, my son...it was the turning-point, in my journey to the Dark Side" ... it's going to make Luke realise he has to change his behaviour or become like his father. That's not what Vader wants.
I understand where you're coming from, but that's not what what I intended to imply, that's what you're inferring. What I meant was that Luke would see in Vader's hypothetical story, not a fellow murderer, but a fellow victim of rage, and would understand from his own experience, more of what might have driven Vader to the Dark Side, thus empathising for the first time with father he never knew, and therefore hating him less. Vader might mean the story to be the old cornball villain-to-hero "You know, we're two sides of the same coin, you and I!", to show Luke that the two of them aren't so different... Luke could very easily see it as an example of how human Vader used to be.
Vader doesn't acknowledge his past as Anakin Skywalker...
He does every time he calls Luke "son", dude. And when he acknowledges Kenobi as his old teacher. And after he kills Palpatine and dies in Luke's arms with his helmet off. It's not a stretch.
I'm not convinced that you can carry out an act of savage, brutal and unnecessary revenge and remain a Jedi. Having said that, Luke had no reason in the existing Episode VI to torch and murder everyone on the Sail Barge. it wasn't self-defence.
As grid's just pointed out, the Jedi may not give in to baser emotions and motivations, but that doesn't make them any less soldiers and peacekeepers. The entire galazy is afraid of them in eps 1 & 2 - to my mind, they come across as the Republic's cryptofascistic (and wholly anachronistic) secret police - a law unto themselves, like the Judges of Mega City One, only in floaty robes and faux-buddhist serenity. I have this whole spiel about how the Sith represent the return of the repressed (kickin' it Freud-style), and that the Jedi and the Republic are a dead culture who'd had their day, much as the Roman Empire had. They have no problem hitting or killing people with very little provocation, as long as it achieves their ends - look at Kenobi cutting that ugly bastard's hand off in ep 4. Lucas didn't cut or rearrange that, did he? And I find it hard to believe that a Jedi of Kenobi's experience couldn't have stopped him without mutilating him... unless he wanted to prove a point... |
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