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Re-Imprinting the Nervous system (LSD/MAGICK/HYPNOSIS)

 
 
Joetheneophyte
14:33 / 26.04.04
Robert Anton Wilson mentioned in his Cosmic Trigger books that he dropped some LSD and listened to positive Hypnosis tapes to try to re-imprint his nervous system

Has anybody ever tied this?

I am thinking of giving this a go (if I can lay my hands on any acid)

I intend to make my own hypnosis tapes, specifically targetted at what I believe are problem areas. I know this isn't exactly Magick but I intend to utilise Sigils as well and the other thread on here about Burroughs and the 'cut up'/splicing technique, has expanded my ideas greatly (thankyou for this info by the way.....DEFINATELY helped me think of new ideas)
 
 
illmatic
14:40 / 26.04.04
Well, I've never tried it but props to you for giving it a go. Be intrigued to know how it goes. You might want to look at John Lilley's stuff as well as he carried out similar experiments.
 
 
LykeX
15:21 / 26.04.04
I've just started something similar. I've made a tape of affirmations and have it running in the background when I'm doing something else (not acid, though ). For example, it's running right now.
All that's left is to see if it works. It'll probably take some weeks to take effect.
 
 
EvskiG
17:53 / 26.04.04
If I remember correctly, Wilson used an endless loop of John Lilly's Beliefs Unlimited exercise from "Center of the Cyclone." I used to play it (many years ago) every night as I fell asleep. Can't remember if I ever listened to it in an altered state, although I probably did.

If you want to try it, here it is:

In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true within certain limits, to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are beliefs to be transcended.

Hidden from one's self is a covert set of beliefs that control one's thinking, one's actions, and one's feeling. The covert set of hidden beliefs is the limiting set of beliefs to be transcended.

To transcend one's limiting set, one establishes an open ended set of beliefs about the unknown.

The unknown exists in one's goals for changing one's self, in the means for changing, in the use of others for the change, in one's capacity to change, in one's orientation towards change, in one's elimination of hindrances to change, in one's assimilation of the aids to change, in one's use of the impulse to change, in one's need for changing, in the possibilities of change, in the form of change itself, and in the substance of change and of changing.

The unknown exists in one's goals for changing one's self, in the means for changing, in the use of others for the change, in one's capacity to change, in one's orientation towards change, in one's elimination of hindrances to change, in one's assimilation of the aids to change, in one's use of the impulse to change, in one's need for changing, in the possibilities of change, in the form of change itself, and in the substance of change and of changing.

There are unknowns in my goals towards changing.There are unknowns in my means of changing. There are unknowns in my relations with others in changing. There are unknowns in my capacity for changing. There are unknowns in my orientation towards changing. There are unknowns in my assimilation of changes. There are unknowns in my needs for changing. There are unknowns in my possibilities of me changing. There are unknowns in the forms into which changing will put me. There are unknowns in the substance of the changes that I will undergo, in my substance after changes.

My disbelief in all these unknowns is a limiting belief, preventing my transcending my limits. My disbelief in all these unknowns is a belief, a limiting belief, preventing my transcending my limits.

By allowing, there are no limits; no limits to thinking, no limits to feeling, no limits to movement. By allowing, there are no limits. There are no limits to thinking, no limits to feeling, no limits to movement.

That which is not allowed is forbidden. That which is allowed exists. In allowing no limits, there are no limits. That which is forbidden is not allowed. That which is not allowed forbidden. That which exists is allowed. That which is allowed, exists. In allowing no limits, there are no limits. That which is not allowed is forbidden. That which is forbidden is not allowed. That which is allowed, exists. That which exists is allowed. To allow no limits, there are no limits. No limits allowed, no limits exist.

In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true. In the province of the mind there are no limits. In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true. There are no limits.
 
 
LVX23
17:56 / 26.04.04
Nice timing! I've been writing a paper on this process. "The Brain as Programmable Associative Network". In a nutshell, the brain is a plastic network of neural cells bundled into specialized groups. The connections within and between these bundles reflect associations made by the mind. Learning piano is a good example of modifying these networks through repetition and practice. What Wilson, Leary, and Lilly talk about is willfully reprogramming the associative networks of the brain using techniques like psychedelics, trance, hypnosis, etc. Obviously, sigils can play a powerful role as well.

You're basically trying to get the mind-brain into a receptive state to allow reprogramming. the best way to do this is by disrupting the current associations and the belief systems they re-enforce. Get to the right place, absorb the sigil, and - Bang! You're metaprogramming!
 
 
EvskiG
18:39 / 26.04.04
Lilly's big book on this subject was "Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer."

According to Amazon, it looks like the book is being re-released this month by Ronin Press as "Programming the Human Biocomputer." As LVX23 said, nice timing.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:15 / 27.04.04
Wow

thanks folks

evskig.....I felt a bit spaced out even reading that so it must be pretty hypnotic

Thanks for the info. Was that a direct quote from Lilly?

as you said.....weird .....Magickal timing going on here


cheers
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:17 / 27.04.04
Sorry Evskig

I now see that you did say that that was Lilly's tape

I was in a rush reading it as I am in work and shouldn't be on the internet but I have no home Net access at the moment

thanks again, I will print that off and put it on my tape along with other positive affirmations
 
 
Joetheneophyte
11:54 / 27.04.04
I have now read that John Lilly quote from Evskig several times

Very interesting but one thing does bother me, I had been led to believe that anything that was supposed to bypass consciousness or directly speak with the Unconscious.....should be phrased positively

Most of the Hypnosis literature and Magickal works, that I have read have said that when phrasing affirmations or suggestions, words such as NOT, NO and WON'T should be avoided

ie, instead of writing

"I WILL NOT SMOKE"

it is preferrable to say


"I have clear and healthy lungs"


the reason for this is that allegedly, the UNCONSCIOUS, does
not recognise the negation in a sentence/suggestion and as such, "I WON'T smoke", might be taken as "I WILL smoke"


Lilly's Cyclone script , kindly supplied by Evskig earlier, is full of negations and as such does concern me somewhat.
Did ROBERT ANTON WILSON defiantely use this script and has he ever explicitly told us how he feels it affected him?


From memory, he didn't actually state the effects in Cosmic Trigger (he may have done in later works such as "the Illuminati Papers" that I do not possess) so i cannot confirm what he utilised or the effectiveness


I am still going to do something along these lines, if I can get hold of the Acid.

If anybody is new to the thread, I would appreciate if anybody has had any experience with this form of 'self change' and how many sessions would you imagine permanent changes might take?


thanks to everybody who has responded so far. I know I am worrying too much about the phraseology.....procrastination and fear are just two of my problems!


Joe
 
 
illmatic
12:26 / 27.04.04
My memory of Cosmic Trigger says he did use this but I might be wrong. As to the negation thing, dunno. Try it and see what happens. The whole "oh, don't use a negative" thing is one of those statements that gets passed around in books a lot without much thought given to. One of those glib statements but who knows whether it's true, there's only one way to find out. You don't have to use acid eiher, just stick yourself in a relaxed state and see.

As to the self change thing, no one can say. I kind of think of it like throwing mud at a wall, if you keep doing it, eventually it'll stick.
 
 
EvskiG
13:03 / 27.04.04
Illmatic offers some good advice. Don't worry about negations, don't worry about the acid, just put it on a tape, play it when you're relaxed, and see what happens.

Here's one way to do it:

Find a relaxing ambient album of your choice. (Eno's Music for Airports is as good as any.) Tape about 5 minutes of the album. Then tape yourself slowly and calmly reciting the "Beliefs Unlimited" text above. (Try to keep the volume level about the same as the recorded music.) Pause, then repeat the text. Pause, then repeat the text again. You now have your tape.

Just before you go to sleep, start playing the tape. Don't think about it -- just go to sleep. Repeat for a week or two. Then consider the effects, if any.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:18 / 27.04.04
thanks Illmatic

Yeah now you come to mention it, he did mention a John Lilly hypnosis tape , which I can only presume has the comments evskig mentioned earlier

The Acid was just someting I have been toying with to get me more receptive, I have trouble relaxing into meditative or Hypnoid states as I have so many hang ups and also because my private life is fugging big mess at the moment

Thanks for the input

If memory serves me right, Wilson did mention Lilly but left the efficacy of this technique pretty vague......though for him to include it in his books, suggests he did think it was a worthwhile endeavour

I haven't got the iLLUMINATI PAPERS, so I cannot comment whether he went into more detail about his experiences with the tapes and LSD in this later book (I am assuming the Iluminati papers is a later book)

Any info from anybody on here would be greatly appreciated


cheers


Joe
 
 
illmatic
13:26 / 27.04.04
I've read the Illumanti Papers - from what I remember it's a series of short essays so he probably doesn't go into greater depth.

Do what Evekig suggests.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:31 / 27.04.04
thanks again evskig


i WILL GIVE IT A GO , WITH ACID AND WITHOUT

What were your experiences? Presumably positive considering that you are advocating it (or you could be a sadist :-) )

thanks again and I will definately do something with this over the next week. I have a few people scouring for Acid for me and I will do the tape over the next few days


cheers folks


and if you do feel like sharing your experiences evskig, I am all ears (eyes?)


Joe
 
 
Z. deScathach
14:11 / 27.04.04
My memory of Cosmic Trigger says he did use this but I might be wrong. As to the negation thing, dunno. Try it and see what happens. The whole "oh, don't use a negative" thing is one of those statements that gets passed around in books a lot without much thought given to.

That is caveat that I was always suspicous of as well. When you think about it, a banishing is a negation, as well as a number of other occult techniques. In terms of re-programing, the trick is inducing an altered state of consciousness. There are numerous ways to do that, acid being just one.
 
 
illmatic
14:16 / 27.04.04
Yeah, it kind of goes: my incredible, all fertile, all creative subconscious mind can cause all these miraculous changes at quantum level which them lead on in an astonishing manifestation of syncroncity and the fulfillment of TRUE WILL and huge, throbbing OCCULT DESTINY, but ermm... it can't tell "yes" from "no".

Actually, I do appreciate the caveat's purpose on reflection, I just don't think (or more accurately I don't know) that it's a hard and fast rule.
 
 
EvskiG
15:03 / 27.04.04
Honestly, I can't remember whether the tape had any notable effects.

It was a pretty heady time in my life -- an hour or so of yoga daily, lots of ceremonial magic daily, smart drugs, not-so-smart drugs, lots of occult and mystical reading, hanging out with a heavy-duty psychedelic and mystical crowd -- so I don't know if I can sort out the effects of the tape from everything else. I know I felt happy and healthy. I know I was having some of the coolest experiences of my life. But who knows if any of it had any connection with the tape?

Damn. Now I think I'm going to prepare a tape, too. And reread my John Lilly.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
15:16 / 27.04.04
thanks for sharing that with us. I appreciate people sharing initmiate details of their lives on such a public forum. I got bollocked on another site when I asked somebody to share something personal so I have since then been a bit reluctant but I was too eager to know your thoughts about this and my enthusiasm got the better of me.

Personally, I don't usually have much of a problem being open as few people on here know who I actually am and my user name gives me a level of anonymity


Actually even face to face I am pretty open, maybe too open but if I find that somebody has abused my trust, whilst it hurts, I just put it down to experience and don't let that person get too close again.

Anyway thanks for all the responses to date and if anybody has anything to add, I am still interested in your thoughts

Joe
 
 
morning Dew
22:26 / 27.04.04
I have found that pre tripping plans for taking control of your experience are often too reevaluated in the psychedelic immanent state to the point where you realize that what you are trying to overcome is the same thing that made the plans. For example, I ate some mushrooms with some friends and brought along a copy of Tao Te Ching to see how it would resonate within the visionary context.... if you havent figured out by now I had absolutely no need to read it and did not touch it our think about it the whole time. It is only the byproduct of such experiences, of course from a very famous master.
hope this helps!
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:19 / 28.04.04
I'll probably think

"whose that annoying asshole with the irritating nasal scouse voice......Oh it's me.......or one of me"
 
 
LVX23
21:05 / 29.04.04
Morning Dew (walk me out in the), I agree. It's tough to concentrate on anything in the peaks. I like to prepare just before by reading from a holy text, maybe making a mantra, and generally absorbing the concepts of interest. thenh in the peak they tend to come out. Mantras especially can be really productive. Also on the return to baseline when things are starting to gel but you've still got that nice connection with everything. great time to open the Tao te Ching or the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
06:31 / 30.04.04
thanks for all the info folks

excellent stuff

I can't get hold of any Acid .....all my old connections are nowhere to be found and there does seem to be a shortage of the stuff out there

Anyway, have written the text for the hypnosis tape and will record it over the weekend. Will try it without drugs first and then if I can get hold of them, will try it with
a 'strawberry' or two inside me


In your experiences folks or in your opinion, HOW many sessions would you expect for changes to occurr utilising the method mentioned by RAW (ie self hypnosis tapes and LSD in conjunction)

Would one session produce discernible results in your opinion, or would the endeavour need to be repeated several times?

AND again in your opinion, Would the effects be permanent?


I know that Nobody can answer these questions 'definatively' but I am just asking for opinions.........I know there a lot of you out there who have much more experience with drugs, drug literature and magick, than I will ever have and so I am just asking for opinions as to the efficacy of this technique


Thanks for all the input so far. Most interesting


Joe
 
 
---
07:07 / 30.04.04
Would one session produce discernible results in your opinion, or would the endeavour need to be repeated several times?

AND again in your opinion, Would the effects be permanent?


I think it's upto the individual and also what type of atmosphere, state of mind your in when you do this that will determine the outcome a lot. I think that LSD has the ability to cause changes deep in the mind and the changes would be permanent, not sure how many times it would take though. I have experience of LSD but not hypnosis tapes. I'm really sensitive to drugs (in other words a lightweight) so in my case i'm sure it would work first time, but as for yourself i'm not sure. I think that to have a better idea i'd have to know you in person. Easily possible though, LSD can be really effective.

Good luck, i hope it goes well.
 
 
morning Dew
07:31 / 30.04.04
2 points come to mind as of now at 430 in the morning...
One session has 100% potential to make a lasting transformation. However, my own encounters were always frameworked in regular meditation and contemplation, music and art.... so you need to tend to your inner energies like a garden. Secondly, repeated experiences can prove beneficial for coherency and further expansion--what I mean is that the overwhelming onslaught of defragmentation, freedom, and realization, etc of the first time is alot, filtered through state-specific- memory, to retain let alone function on, yet once the path has been cleared it is easier to continue on
 
 
illmatic
08:20 / 30.04.04
I like the garden analogy, it's much nicer than my "throwing shit at a wall" upthread. Think about tending a garden, not winning the Chelsea Flower Show first time out.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
11:40 / 30.04.04
I would like to thankyou all for your invaluable help and advice over this matter


cheers


Joe
 
 
De Selby
01:51 / 03.05.04
I can't get hold of any Acid .....all my old connections are nowhere to be found and there does seem to be a shortage of the stuff out there

Why don't you use something other than acid then?

You could use mushrooms or low doses of Salvia, and both of these are easier to obtain. At least where I am

Also, there are lots of legal herbs that can induce a more receptive/relaxed state of mind. Try www.erowid.org and see which ones might be appropriate for your situation.

I know it sounds lame, but having Passionflower tea (a very mild MAOI) always puts me in a dreamy/relaxed state, which would be perfect for this kind of thing. I know when I have acid I spend too much time looking at either the night sky, or the patterns on walls to do anything useful.
 
 
farseer /pokes out an i
19:59 / 03.05.04
Ah, back in the day when LSD was easy to find...

I've been using ABR (Acoustic Brain Research) tapes for a few weeks now, listening to the Transformation Now subliminal tape while I'm meditating. It took a few days to get used to the changes in my brain state as brought by the sounds, but the script that is subliminally read is wholly positive.

Although ultimately it's hard to tell 100% if it's the tapes and meditating that's had a huge affect on my life... but everytime I've finished a 15 minute session I'm more relaxed and overall more positive about life, the universe, and everything. Here's the ABR subliminal script: Hrm. I can't seem to find it. I'll re-post it later when I can.
 
 
farseer /pokes out an i
20:25 / 03.05.04
Ah, my sweet friend emailed it to me. Here is the ABR script:

I give myself permission to move to new levels of
expression and power in my life easily and
effortlessly. Struggle drops away. I give myself
permission to feel safe and secure with the rapid
unfoldment of my highest good. Unfolding now, I give
myself permission to go beyond what others think and
thought possible. I give myself permission to feel
safe and secure with others people's changing opinions
of me. It is safe. It is safe. I now give myself
permission to magnetize to myself all manner of
wonderful situations, easily, effortlessly, and in
divine order. I am a divine magnet. I now choose to
give the world the gift of my true self in all
dimensions focused here on the earth plane in my body
now. I now give myself permission to feel safe and
secure with more of God's energy in my body now. It is
safe to feel God's energy now. I now give myself
permission to feel safe and secure with the letting go
of old identities quickly, easily, and gracefully. Let
go. Let go. I am willing, and I give myself permission
to surprise myself and others with the quick and
effortless unfolding of my highest good. Unfolding is
safe and good.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
20:32 / 03.05.04
Acid is so psychiatric and forceful, anyway...why not go with a more symbiotic ally, which doesn't mug your CNS and completely replace it with its own?

Hawaiin mushies are stratospheric in their effects, and can be obtained from the Camden Mushroom Company 7 days a week in...you guessed it...Camden Market for the vibesy price of 10##£10 a dose (10g...May special offer!!)

If the Hawaiins are all gone, try Thai or Colombian, which are milder, but equally frenetic for your purposes.

Much more agreeable than tyhe lysergic, for just about every purpose, and completely natural, and certifiably what they purport to be...
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:39 / 04.05.04
thanks again folks

will give this a proper read later

I am off line at home at the moment and can only get online via work, which makes my time very limited on the net

Cheers for all ths invaluable info and resources

Excellent
 
  
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