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Whale... Whale... Fish!
23:33 / 23.04.04
Anyone else taking them?
What do they do?
Side effects?
 
 
Ganesh
23:44 / 23.04.04
No, but I know about them.

Different things.

Varies.

Antidepressants are used universally now, for so many different things, and vary so widely from person to person, that it's difficult to generalise. How's about you explain your situation, and those of us with some knowledge/experience comment?
 
 
w1rebaby
23:49 / 23.04.04
Evil things. Make you kill yourself and your family. Haven't you been reading the Guardian? It says so there, it must be true.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
00:01 / 24.04.04
OK but kinda drunk so excuse anything that doesn't make sense.
(I think) I've been had depression for about 6ish years. Fucked up uni (22 and repeating first year for the 3rd time) due to drink, drugs and other factors (break-ups etc). Never been suicidal or it would be better to say never been seriously. I've also had reversed sleeping patterns for about 4 years (I think this could be a major cause, although starting to get better...) and a bad diet (high sugar). Don't really know if it's depression or acceptance of my situation.

Will prob edit this in morming and make it more ledgible(sp, lol - my, i'm fond of my brackets tonight...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:06 / 24.04.04
Funnily enough, I've just had my fluoxetine dose cut- give me a couple of days to see how I feel and I'll let you know.
 
 
w1rebaby
00:17 / 24.04.04
Cut from what to what?
 
 
Ganesh
01:35 / 24.04.04
Mmmm. Fluoxetine isn't the most flexibly-dosaged drug in the world...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:59 / 24.04.04
No- currently I'm on a capsule every two days, down from one daily for the last couple of years- in a month I'm gonna have to start opening 'em up and splitting the powder, apparently.
 
 
Char Aina
02:10 / 24.04.04
can you snort it?
 
 
Ganesh
02:16 / 24.04.04
Actually, you can. Doesn't do much, though; antidepressants generally take weeks to work, rather than seconds.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
10:05 / 24.04.04
I'm currently on 20mg's of Fluoxetine. Just started this week so I'll let you know what happen's.
Stoatie: let me know how the reduced dosage goes.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:53 / 24.04.04
Yeah, now I'm at home I can tell you (from reading the box) that I've just come down from 20 to 10mg. (There was a couple of days between my prescription running out and seeing the doctor- 0mgs is very unpleasant when done suddenly!)

Whale- give it at least 3 weeks before you try judging whether it's working or not. SSRIs seem to work cumulatively, or something- you'll probably feel a bit weird after a few days- you'll know there's something happening- but the actual effect won't happen for a while.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
11:00 / 24.04.04
Yeah, been feeling a bit dizzy the past couple of days and my balance has gone weird. But I'll let you know in a few weeks!
Glad that someone else has experience of them tho.
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
13:00 / 24.04.04
i was taking seroxat for about a year and this made me feel a loss of balance and unusual electric shock sensations in the head... I think you could create a new genre of music whilst taking these, a new form of spatial distortion core or something. Everyone taking them could make a track for a cd that you got free when you started taking them...
 
 
The Strobe
13:34 / 24.04.04
I've been on Citalopram (Cipramil) for about 16 months now. At peak, I was on 20mg a day; I'm now on 10mg every other. Not quite capable of kicking it further yet. It's been good to me - no side effects bar one terrifying panic attack in the first month, doesn't interfere with drink whatsoever, quite kind. And it's changed my life so much for the better. To be honest, it makes it livable. Good luck with them, Fish - give them a chance to settle down, and don't, whatever you do, try and kick them instantly. Go slow on these things, and you'll be fine. Hope things work out for you.
 
 
Christoph_Chicken
14:02 / 24.04.04
Does anyone know of any natural remedies other than good ol' St johns?

I suffer from what would probably be called mild depression with acute cynicism and paranoia. St Johns has helped me a surprising amount(either that or it's the placebo effect) and as summer's coming, I want to steer clear of prescription drugs.

Any ideas?
 
 
charrellz
19:50 / 24.04.04
Flouxetine is some nasty stuff in my opinion. It did have some benefits though. A word of advice, if at some point you decide to no longer take it, DO NOT stop cold turkey. In fact, talk to your doctor about a good method. Your body just plain doesn't enjoy that kind of tom-foolery.
 
 
kitschbitch
21:14 / 24.04.04
I don't suffer from what I think of as full-blown depression, but I'm by and large a VERY happy and upbeat person, and began to experience the feeling of being permanently under a grey cloud. most days was ok, but had a couple of real down days - which I'd never had in my life before. I can't take st john's wart, because I'm on the pill - so I started taking 5 Htp, which helps to raise serotonin in the brain: more info is outlined here. I didn't want to start taking chemical antidepressants, because I didn't feel that I felt sufficiently depressed to warrant such treatment (am not against them, but think you should only take them if you feel you genuinely need to and would benefit from doing so).

I can report only good results from it so far - feel much more on an even keel, and much more 'up' - though I'm inclined to think that it edging towards summer has something to do with it, as I'm a real S.A.D. type person, and the winter always seems to get me down a little bit. is a great herbal alternative to st john's wort, and seems to be working for me - your mileage may vary, of course, it could be a placebo affect, and wholly psychosomatic - I feel better because I believe it's helping me. but if it's helping me, well, wonderful! searching the web for more info should help you weight the effects and so on up - any other perspectives would be very intersting to hear though.
 
 
kitschbitch
21:17 / 24.04.04
oh, and valerian is excellent for anxiety as well - again, herbal (I take it to help me sleep, as I have chronic back pain, plus it's great for the stress of doing my finals)

some brands/formulations have as little as 50mg of valerian, others have as much as 400mg. I recommend 'Medic Herb Valerina', they have a daytime version and a nighttime version, they both have 400mg of valerian, the only difference is the daytime one contains a tiny bit of lemon balm which is supposed to help with stress (hence why it's marketed as stress relief) and the night time version has a bit of hops in which also have a sedative effect. but valerian does have a sedative/calming effect, so frankly either will do, depends which suits you best really
 
 
Christoph_Chicken
21:50 / 24.04.04
I always wondered to what the Doctor was refering in Fight Club, when he tells Tyler to "Chew some valerian root".

Now I know!

Thanks for the advice, I shall have a look, right now.
 
 
w1rebaby
00:52 / 25.04.04
I hear a lot of good things about kava for anxiety, though apparently it tastes like shit, and you have to be careful about how you get it - off the shelf is, I'm told, not the way to go. You need to get some of the root and prepare it yourself. (Any more educated comments welcome.)
 
 
gergsnickle
04:20 / 25.04.04
Flouxetine is some nasty stuff in my opinion.

Thank you. Yes, I've taken several anti-depressants, most recently Effexor® and have come to the concluysion that these drugs really are evil, and that unless you really think it's either taking these or killing yourself, you're bettter off looking for other solutions. I took Effexor for a few years and then realized that if I so much as missed one dose for more than a few hours I had severe withdrawal symptoms - sweating, nausea, vertigo - that were easily removed by taking more of the pills. In short, I was addicted. A quick search on the web showed that thousands of people on several different anti-depressants were in the same situation. My doctor wouldn't listen to my complaints, suggesting that my resistance was part of my problem and that pills were certainly the solution. Finally, I tapered off slowly without telling my doctor until months afterwards - I lost a lot of (extra) weight, I stopped drinking coffee, and while I definitely feel more anxiety than while on the pills, it seems to be a natural response to issues in my life. While these drugs may be helpful for severe depression in the short-term, my experience with long term usage leads me to believe that some anxiety and depression is a natural part of modern life, and that eliminating your feelings does little to eliminate the problems causing these feelings.
 
 
The Strobe
09:42 / 25.04.04
that these drugs really are evil

I'd disagree entirely. Well, I must admit I have nothing good to say, and nor does anyone else I know, on the subject of Seroxat, but that's different. They're not evil; they make life worth living for an awful lot of people. They don't work for everyone, but that doesn't make them evil per se. Like I said, what I'm on is becoming hard to kick entirely, but I've got rid of a lot of it - and the changes it has made have been permanent. Sometimes you just need to remember what being 'up' is like.

Yes, a bit of depression is part of life. I don't think anyone who seeks medication seriously has what you'd call 'a bit'. Depression can be crippling; it can be very dangerous. You will very rarely hear of people telling you about good experiences of drugs, unless, of course, they're illegal. You will always hear the scare stories, the bad stories. Sometimes, often in threads like this one, I feel the need to point out that there are good stories too. There are happy endings.

To describe these things as evil is a very, very unfair comment. They're misunderstood and often mis-prescribed, I know fulwell, and I do not doubt that we live in a culture where people will seek out chemical "cures" for everything. They are not evil. Just to re-inforce that these things can be good for you. I happen to be on one of the more modern and less severe ADs - Citalopram works because it very specifically targets seratonin receptors (iirc), and that specifivity leads to the far more minor side effects. Fluoextine's a more complex beast. Seroxat and American-versions of it are not evil, though they are, from what I can tell, nasty. Avoid if possible.

(Also, going cold-turkey off SSRIs is just idiotic and people should know that anyhow. They'd be advised this by doctors and by the packets.)
 
 
kitschbitch
10:09 / 25.04.04
of course, I stupidly forgot to mention that my pointers to brands/formulations are UK brands - though I'm sure that fairly similar formulations exist in wherever you are, if not in the UK. if you are, well, boots, superdrug, holland & barratt/health store are all your friends - some smaller chemists might have valerian, but probably not a terrifically wide range, and if you like the full whack (like I do) you want to make sure you pay attention to the concentration of valerian in it, natch.

hope it's been helpful - also note that kava has been banned in the UK, though I'm not sure what the case is elsewhere...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:16 / 03.05.04
Update... this reduced-dosage thing is NOT FUN. I know it's the right thing to do (and a lot better than just cutting them off altogether), but...

I've spent the last few days in a total gloom... last night I stupidly thought I'd rectify this by dropping a pill.

I've been crying since I woke up. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY!!! (I have had a vivid reminder of why I stopped taking pills and speed, though.)

Argh.
 
 
charrellz
14:21 / 03.05.04
That is some harsh shit, but hang in there. Your body gets just as addicted to these meds as cigarettes or cocaine. I remember trying to get off of Effexor and feeling like I got kicked in the balls by Mecha-Flu, only with like a feel-like-crap-for-a-week-beam as a follow up.

Quick question: Did anybody else on Effexor have crazy, exhausting dreams everynight while on it?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:34 / 03.05.04
20mg Fluoxetine daily gave me some pretty awful side-effects, including the exhausting dreams, mania, catatonia (i just 'shut down' in a psychology class, of all places, I ended up dribbling down my chin and had my eyes fully open for about 45 minutes. Afterwards I ran with my eyes all sore and blurred out straight to my therapist demanding to know what was wrong.)
Generally, from my experience, I would say DRUGS ARE BAD, though I've known some people who get on fine with them. It's one of those impossible 'personal choice' things.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
16:45 / 03.05.04
How ya feeling now Stoatie?
I know where you're coming from with the random crying. It's been a couple of month since I last dropped but for a couple of days afterwards I would start crying at anything even vaguely emotional.

If your still feeling shit have a cup of tea, a cig or joint and a bath. That would usually sort my head out a bit.

I'm doing alright with the fluoxetine. I've had a few less-than-lucid moments but other than that...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:51 / 03.05.04
I'm feeling a bit better now actually... being back at work is (and I never thought I'd say this) seeming to do me the world of good.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:07 / 03.05.04
I always found it was a bit of a shock coming back to a more "normal" range of emotions. SSRIs for me chop off both the lows and the highs; things feel more intense when I'm off them. Think about it, though, you'll be able to be happier than you were previously now... YMMV as always.
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
21:01 / 04.05.04
Reading this thread has made me more than a little concerned. After 18 months of post natal depression (at least that's the tentative diagnosis that my wife and I came to), my wife visited her doctor and returned with a daily dose of 20mg Fluoxetine. Am I right in saying that Fluoxetine is Prozac?

All seemed OK for a month or two (she's been on them for 3 months now) but recently we're either getting on brilliantly, or she's blowing up in my face, calling me a selfish slob and threatening divorce (which she doesn't really mean, I think).

OK, she isn't the most emotionally stable woman in the world, but this just seems a little 'odd', even by her standards. The thing is she doesn't like me mentioning the Fluoxetine when these things occur, as she thinks I'm suggesting her feeling and emotions aren't genuine. It's almost like severe, randomly occuring bipolar PMS and it's becoming quite difficult to live with, especially taking into account the fact that she tends to have pretty severe PMS anyway.

The hardest thing is the total unpredictability of it all. I just don't know what to expect when I talk to her. This is making me withdraw slightly for fear of another confrontation.

Should I suggest she goes to see her doctor again, telling him that the Fluoxetine doesn't seem to be 'right' for her? Should we seek relationship counselling, when I truly believe it's the drugs causing this and not any major flaw in our relationship?

I suppose I'm asking this to a bunch of relative strangers because some of you seem to have experience of Fluoxetine. Is my wife's reaction typical? Should we try to sit these episodes out, hoping in time they'll go away (possibly a temporary abberation caused by the drug)? Your advice would be appreciated, oh wise lithers....
 
 
Ganesh
21:18 / 04.05.04
Yes, Fluoxetine = Prozac.

What would a "genuine emotion" be like? I'd be a little wary of attributing someone's behaviour entirely to a drug, particularly if they've always had a tendency to be emotionally unstable. Equally, she may be reacting to the changes in her life, post-pregnancy, and more longstanding unhappinesses.

You can suggest changing the antidepressant, by all means, but be prepared for a) some understandable resistance/hostility to the 'this drug is making you act oddly' line of reasoning, b) a short period of withdrawal if she does come off it, and c) the possibility that, while her way of processing/vocalising her feelings is related to the drug, the feelings themselves may not be.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
12:44 / 06.05.04
Ok. Feeling as shit as I ever have. Couldn't go my exam today. I want to feel something but I really don't give a fuck.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:49 / 06.05.04
It usually takes about 2-3 weeks before anything happens at all. A lot of people give up... it's not like acid or something, you don't get the result in half an hour. If you want to do them, stick with them. (Sorry to sound hectoring, but the amount of times my flatmate's gone on various SSRIs and has stopped taking 'em after 10 days cos nothing was happening... and one thing I've noticed both times I've been prescribed them is that doctors tend not to stress this point enough- well, my doctors, anyway.)

Hmm. Two hours ago I was convinced I'd just wasted an hour's alcohol counselling talking about coming off Fluoxetine... I'm now starting to think it's what I really needed today.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
13:21 / 06.05.04
Nyah, today was/is a really shit day and could mean I'm out of uni but there is fuck all I can do about it just now. I'll probably feel better tomorrow and I'll have a better chance of sorting things out then.
 
  

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