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The romantic poets

 
 
Char Aina
02:30 / 17.04.04
i have recently reawakened an adolescent love of the romantics, partly thanks to the link jester sent me the other day to a blake poem.
it struck me that i am not as familiar with them as i had thought, and i have decided to do sometihng about it.

so.
use this thread to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the romantics if you like, and if possible, reccomend some reading.

i would be intersted in a good potted history to go with the poetry, or perhaps something biographical. that would be especially useful in the cases of blake or keats, but anything of note would be good.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:46 / 17.04.04
I really wouldn't associate Blake with the Romantics, actually--he's a precursor, perhaps, but his vision is far too idiosyncratic to be lumped in with any movement.

The Romantic movement as is commonly defined really took off right around the French Revolution--which seemed to encapsulate in political form the humanist ideals of the romantics--and wound down about forty years later: so about 1790 to 1830.

As you imply, romanticism was seen as far more than a genre of poetry--it was rebirth of all the arts, and more than that, a design for living--a set of political and philosophical ideals that governed the public and private lives of these writers and artists.

That those lives had a tendency to end badly is perhaps not a coincidence...

More later, maybe: am pressed for time.
 
 
johnj
13:59 / 17.04.04
byron had sex with his half sister so - he wins.

In fact, his wife wins because she told her mum and dad he had her up the arse.
 
 
goodkingwenceslaus
23:36 / 17.04.04
Toksik,

for a pure adolescent high (and there's nothing wrong with that!): try Shelley's "The Revolt of Islam" (he even wants to put an end to the madness of the food chain!)

other favourites:
Keats' Odes & Coleridge's "Christabel" (perhaps the eeriest poem ever written)

Dave
 
 
Jester
14:06 / 19.04.04
I really don't have much constructive to say, but my favourite piece of writing from that period is, again, strictly speaking a little early to be considered Romantic: Wordsworth's Prelude. I just find the guy's imagery really intoxicating (minus the grossly overused daffodils business). All those misty mountains, etc. Talking of which, I really love Walter Scott's Waverley.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:15 / 19.04.04
johnj - wins what, exactly?

I realise that the sexual lives of the romantic poets are intriguing, but they are only relevant when considered in terms of the whole life and work of, e.g., Byron. Otherwise it sounds as though you're only interested in salacious details for prurient reasons. You obviously have some interest in Byron - care to tell us more about that?
 
 
rizla mission
17:29 / 19.04.04
Blake and Coleridge are quite possibly my favourite poets, and I did quite a lot of reading of/about members of 'the romantic movement' last year, so, um, I feel I should proably post something even though I have nothing in particular to add..

I bought an absolutely gorgeous 1900 addition of Shelley's complete poems recently, complete with illustrations and things, and I'm sure it must be worth more than the £4 I paid for it.. haven't gotten round to reading it much yet though - I find his style rather hard to get to grips with to be honest..

Oh, that's another thing - regardless of Jack Fear's correct point made above, I still feel the need to recommend this online Blake archive. It's well good.
 
 
Loomis
18:02 / 20.04.04
I was dead keen on the Romantics for a few years in me yoof. I can't remember much of what I read about them but one thing I would say, following on from Jack Fear's point about Blake, is that it is helpful to draw a line between the older and younger generations. Blake, Coleridge and Wordsworth were about 20 years older than Byron, Shelley and Keats, and they were also more settled and successful. The younger three were the ones who had the tragic deaths and are the more obvious poster boys for the movement.

Of the older group I loved Coleridge. Much more dark and dreamy and he had great rhythm. "The Rime of the Ancient mariner" was the first proper poem I read, at 10 years old, and it hooked me for poetry ever since. The ballad rhythm is mesmerizing. I never got into Blake ("Tiger tiger burning bright, in the forest of the night" - fuck off), and I found Wordsworth simply a bland pompous Jobsworth. I remember Rothkoid summarizing the Prelude to our professor in two lines: "I am the man. And when I think about my youth, I was the man then as well." Nuff sed.

And of the younger I always adored Keats, again mostly for the delicacy of his rhythms. He is my favourite sonnet writer of all, probably equalled by Shakespeare. Well Will wrote more consistently anyway, but Keats's best ones are wonderful. His best lines have a sway and lilt like few poets ever manage. Reading about his devotion to literature always got to me. His need to earn a living fought with his desire to be free to write as he wished, and I loved reading about him spending his time studying Shakespeare, and being moved to write poems about it, e.g. "On Sitting Down to read King Lear Once Again." Maybe it's just pretentious, but reading this stuff as an 18 year old wannabe writer, his devotion to studying and practising his art always hit the right note for me.

I don't mind Shelley but was never really hooked, though "Adonais" is genius. And I never got around to reading much Byron as he struck me as too jocular and annoying, though I keep planning to give Don Juan a go. Mind you, I guess he should be given his due as he followed his ideology and went off to fight for Greek independence, where he died of illness. They have his sword in the War Museum in Athens and I tried to see it when in Greece last year but that section was closed for renovations, like most of the country at the moment. Oh well.

So yeah, imho the youngers have the life stories, and I think they have more of the lyrical ability as well, especially Johnny Keats:

Bright star, would I were stedfast as thou art-
Not in lone splendour hung aloft the night
And watching, with eternal lids apart,
Like nature's patient, sleepless Eremite,
The moving waters at their priestlike task
Of pure ablution round earth's human shores,
Or gazing on the new soft-fallen mask
Of snow upon the mountains and the moors-
No-yet still stedfast, still unchangeable,
Pillowed upon my fair love's ripening breast,
To feel for ever its soft fall and swell,
Awake for ever in a sweet unrest,
Still, still to hear her tender-taken breath,
And so live ever-or else swoon to death.
 
 
astrojax69
02:53 / 27.04.04
oh, loomis...

tyger tyger is a wonderful poem rich in dark metric bliss and a superb and passionate inquiry of christian faith (even i, as an atheist, perceive its beauty) such earnest philosophy is uncommon.

blake, i think, is the most problematic of the romantics, as jack's fear... points out earlier. he writes with what became a romantic aesthetic of assimilating the imagination into the wondrous glory of the natural world but i think keats and coleridge [the latter my favourite] wrote the most scintillating verse. blake's work must be seen with his etchings as his broader philosophy. it requires patience and a retuned ear, i found... keats' mind was a jewel whose merest gleam is now a paltry few lines, really. at least coleridge's longevity and quite erudite prose gives us more of him for posterity.

toksik, i commend your investigations anew into this canon. of course, norton's anthology has excellent bio stuff on the poets and the movement as a starter.

remember, truth is beauty, beauty truth. that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know.

(a clarion call to hedonism, i think. see thread in headshop.)

: )
 
 
The Falcon
22:59 / 28.04.04
Avoid Wordsworth at all costs. He's a cock.

Other'n that, yer laughing. Blake is my fave.
 
  
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