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Al-Qaeda Truce Offered

 
 
Multiple Man
14:55 / 15.04.04
News Story: here;
Excepts: Here

Thoughts? Opinions? Frankly im shocked, this is entirely not what i expected to happen.
 
 
specofdust
15:27 / 15.04.04
I think Britain, if not all of Europe should accept. It's not as if any of the people in Europe are actually happy with our countrys operations in the middle east. Reading ITV news' "UK rejects Bin Laden offer" made me very angry, I did not reject it, my dickhead of a prime minister may have, but I did not.
 
 
Whale... Whale... Fish!
16:27 / 15.04.04
BBC

Why did we reject?
 
 
rizla mission
16:41 / 15.04.04
There was a man on TV just now suggesting that this truce offer was a ploy to make Western nations lose confidence in their leaders' intentions.

Be that as it may (sounds unlikely to me), it's certainly worked:

What does the instant rejection prove if not that 'our leaders' are more concerned with maintaining a controlling presence in the Middle East than they are with promoting peace and stopping terrorist attacks...?

Obviously the media and governments will spin it differently and turn their rejection into some macho "we don't negociate with terrorists!" bullshit, but nevertheless I think it makes their more imperialist intentions clear to anyone who can bothered to read between the lines..
 
 
Scanner Vainly
01:21 / 16.04.04
If al-qaeda sent an emmissary, or made an effort to appear legitimate according to diplomatic tradition, their offer might be considerable. But what self-respecting country takes orders from an angry, spooky voice on an audio tape?

Unless the orders are from Electronic Voice Phenomena.
 
 
w1rebaby
02:19 / 16.04.04
Here's my analysis - presuming it's genuine. (Yes, the CIA have said it is. Well, they would.)

It's an odd thing to say, because it will actually make European countries *less* likely to pull troops out. Before, they could pull out and claim that they were doing it to protect their own citizens. Now, with this pre-emptive announcement, any move that way will be seen as "appeasement", which is politically damaging. No government wants to be seen as giving in to threats. It's always been unstated but accepted that not invading Iraq would make you less likely to be attacked by al-Q, and governments might have made decisions on that basis without mentioning it, but now there's an extra public facet.

My current opinion is that, again, if it's genuine, it's on the basis that European countries are going to pull out *anyway*. Regardless of al-Q attacks, their soldiers are being killed, and pretty much universally their populations were majority opposed to invading Iraq. If they are going to do it anyway, why not make this announcement so it looks like al-Q has won? In other words this is aimed at the Arab and Muslim world rather than the West - we're not the centre of the universe after all.

The other thing is that it will exacerbate splits between coalition members (okay, the US) and those states that leave. In the US, the accusations of "appeasement" were constant when Spain was mentioned; now there's been an explicit statement, the "with us or against us" attitude will be even worse, which is of course exactly what someone wanting to attack the US would want. It looks like they'll need multinational support to continue suppressing Iraq, and divisions will help prevent this. Not that the current administration is really doing very well in encouraging other nations to join them in the Great Crusade For Democracy by themselves.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:30 / 16.04.04
In other words this is aimed at the Arab and Muslim world rather than the West - we're not the centre of the universe after all. Good call.

Personally, I'd have accepted before the tape even ran out.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:24 / 16.04.04
There's still the teeny-weeny little matter of some sort of trial for all the people killed in the WTC (both times) and in Al Qaeda terrorist attacks over the years. If he really wanted to fuck things up he'd find some way of surrendering to the UN rather than the US, the US would go bugshit crazy trying to get him away from the liberals and their namby-pamby International Criminal Court, which takes much longer than Instant American Justice! and doesn't kill anyone and would probably leave the UN once and for all.

Isn't Al Qaeda supposed to consist of many autonomous cells that have minimal contact with the central command? How could Bin Ladin guarentee that if he tells them to stop their plotting they stop? How can he guarentee that some fanatic in a cell won't assume that Bin Laden has gone weak on their Global Jihad and keep going? How can he guarentee we won't have The Real Al Qaeda or The Continuity Al Qaeda?

Bin Laden doesn't get to discuss terms or make preconditions for peace.
 
 
ibis the being
14:13 / 16.04.04
Well, it's not a real truce. Clearly. It's symbolic. I mean, how much does Bin Laden care about an actual cease fire? How much does he care about Iraqis getting killed? The very idea of a "truce" is just a play on Bush's idea that there is a War on Terrorism, a tactical maneuver based on words.

After all, as we learned in the Press Conference, the invasion of Iraq consists of about 150,000 US soldiers, 10,000 British soldiers, a much smaller group of hired guns, and then handfuls from other nations. And it's not as though losing Europe's support would change our minds, we've already made it abundantly clear we don't give a shit about that. If Bin Laden really wanted the fighting to stop, he would have initiated negotiations with the US. A ludicrous idea in itself.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:20 / 16.04.04
Bit conflicted on this, really.

I mean, i don't agree with a lot of what we term the war against terrorism* and I don't agree with the war on Iraq.

But I don't agree with the re-establishment of the caliphate, the hardline Islamist views bin Laden holds and the use of indsicriminate murder of people to achieve political aims - whether being carried out from a US airplane over Iraq or through a mobile phone and a rucksack on a Spanish train.

It isn't political leaders who are targeted in terrorism, most often - it's just us. Ordinary people.

Bin is not my friend just because we may share some views on foriegn policy. I think we differ, fairly damn sharply, on other matters. And I'm not honoured to think that he's willing to stop killing cleaners in skyscrapers or paper sellers on their way into work purely as a means of emphasising his belief.

I would be pleased if we got out of Iraq. I would be pleased if bin Laden were caught and tried and put away for the rest of his life. i would be pleased if ordinary people could stop dying just because they are pawns in a global game.

I don't want a truce, I want a ceasefire. A total ceasfire between everybody.

*: And note the use of the word 'truce'; doesn't this add legitimcay to the idea there is a war against terror? Isn't this just two global powers battling out for superiority, with most of humanity caught up in something somewhere in between?

(sorry for the rant)
 
 
Not Here Still
17:23 / 16.04.04
Note to self; remember to read the post directly above own before making same point next time.
Sorry ibis...
 
 
Jack Fear
12:35 / 17.04.04
Osama: So, Europe, here's the deal--I'm Hitler, you're Stalin: you stay out of my way so I can deliver the beatdown to the Great Satan. Sounds fair?

Europe: ...what?

USA: So what am I, frickin' Poland? Get bent, asshole.

Poland: Hey...!

USA: Oh, Christ... No offense, okay? I mean, Jesus.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
14:52 / 19.04.04
(From that there BBC link)

However, Spain, Britain, Germany and the European Commission have all rejected such a move, with EC President Romano Prodi saying there was "no possibility for negotiation under [a] terrorist threat".

*Sniff, sniff*... I do believe I smell a teensy bit of hypocrisy in the air. Of course, it's all down to technicalities of terminology, and the "accusation" has been thrown around quite a lot already in the past few years, but:

What does one call attacks made by some form of organisation on civilians, "provoked" only by a refusal to submit to said organisation's political demands?

Evidently (assuming the tape is genuine - and Senor Ward, I can imagine quite a few reasons why Al Qaeda might not want to send someone to talk to people in countries where one can be convicted just for "associating with terrorists"), Bin Laden is perfectly prepared to bargain with terrorists, so I don't think Blair et al have a legitimate claim to any high ground which should excuse them from doing the same.
 
  
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