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Confidence

 
 
i
12:56 / 15.04.04
Let's start, rather unoriginally, with a dictionary definition.

Confidence - freedom from doubt; belief in yourself and your abilities

Ok, you meet two people at a party. Person A is outwardly confident, attractive, intelligent and charming. Person B is outwardly confident, unattractive, dim and hostile. I think most would agree that they've met both types.

Where does their confidence come from? The models above suggest to me a couple of different possibilities. Or maybe not. When you meet person A, you say to yourself. 'Hmmm, attractive + intelligent + charming = confident'. I'd guess that throughout their life, person A has been told or has learnt through more subtle signals that they are liked and capable and therefore appear more confident. What about person B? Looks like despite the fact that thay've probably recieved less positive signals from others, they still enjoy a seemingly more personal, internal confidence.

Do they really? Is it really possible to be confident without the approving influence of others? I guess when you perform an action, you generally know whether you've done it/done it well and would assume some kind of confodence in your abilities. But does the confidence building potential of an event more heavily rely on what other people think of what you've done? If you do something that you know is pretty bog standard but people fall over themselves to praise you for it, I reckon it'll give you as much confidence as doing something you consider to be well but without praise. Is person B therefore, just pretending to be confident? Or are they happy in the knowledge that they are in fact more intelligent than they look and people give them credit for and that's enough?

I'd guess for many people it's kind of both. It would seem as though maturity, or rather experience, has a role to play. You're born, can't do shit. Well... anyway. Mummy and Daddy and maybe a few others say 'who's a pretty boy' lots and lots and basically keep doing it for a while. In the meantime, you explore your own capabilities and ultimately reach a conclusion as to how generally capable you are and establish your confidence level on a more personal level. Dunno.

Is everyone playing at being confident? Does pretending to be confident elicit some kind of positive response that ultimately builds confidence?

Once established, how solid is your personal level of confidence? Confidence appears to offer a barrier to the negative opinions of others but how long does this last if your confidence level is based on their assessment in the first place? Do you just have to go and do something well for yourself to restore it or do you need the praise? Is it possible to reach a state where your confidence level is so high through other people's opinions of you that it's basically infrangible? or does your own, perhaps more honest, evaluation of your own self worth and ability undermine this?

Are the criteria for confidence building personal or fairly standard? I guess I want people to like me, find me amusing etc. if I think they do, good for me, confidence soars. Egor appears to be confident because people find him scary and he can beat them up with great ease. Is he really more confident because of this? Do people just want to have their own self image (I know) reinforced or are there more universally applicable values that, if acknowledged, lead to higher confidence and self worth?

Anyway, enough rambling. Some food for discussion I hope, if not, probably plenty of attackable error and bollocks. I wait.
 
 
No star here laces
13:12 / 15.04.04
Well, see, the reasons the concepts of 'confidence', 'talent' and 'likeability' have arisen and are called by different names is because they don't necessarily coincide.
 
 
i
14:20 / 15.04.04
OK, so maybe my first post was more than a little woolly, but are you saying that talent, which incidentally I don't remember mentioning, and likeability have no bearing on an individual's confidence? They don't necessarily coincide but frequently do. Are talented people generally not frequently well liked, and therefore often have higher levels of confidence?
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
18:39 / 15.04.04
I think that if your confidence is based on the opinions of others, it is not confidence at all; merely an inflated ego from the strokings of others.

My confidence level has never really depended on how others percieved me. I know what I am capable of, which makes me confident in myself. That same knowledge also keeps me very humble.
 
 
No star here laces
06:10 / 16.04.04
Hello i.

I was being glib.

But was responding to your examples of dislikeable, untalented but confident individual, versus likeable talented individual, even though those weren't the exact terms you use (I consider good looks to be a talent).

In many ways confidence is the ultimate life skill. I think its a far better predictor of success and happiness in life than intelligence, good looks or creativity.

Most of life is about identifying what you want and then going for it. Confident individuals are immensely attractive because they are easy to be around, seem to know something that less confident people don't and ultimately we all hope a bit of it will rub off on us.

All the people I know who are 'successful' in any sense - sexually, in their career, in their art are characterised by confidence.

I don't know what causes confidence but I'm damn certain that it's not creativity, looks or intelligence (although those can help) because someone who is confident based only on an ability of theirs will not be confident in a situation where that ability is of little use (e.g. we all know someone who is fantastically bright, but lacks social confidence).

And damn straight, I find confident people with average looks very sexually attractive, as I'm sure most people do.
 
 
The Puck
23:02 / 16.04.04
The way i see it (through the eyes of a blurred drunk) confidence is a habit, the more you practice it the easyer it becomes and eventually you dont even have to think about it. The best advice i ever got when i was painfully shy was to pretend that im not, after a while i think people 'grow into' the person they pretend to be.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:14 / 17.04.04
It's an old theory that you are more likely to get someone into bed by making them laugh than by dazzling them with your film star good looks but it's pertinent here. The confidence you're focusing on will come from the ease with which you can interact socially and control the conversation rather than just looking appetising in the corner at parties.

Read this the other day in one of Quentin Crisp's amusing little books:
"After this interview some of those with whom I had been speaking accompanied me through the streets [of Toronto] in search of lunch. They noticed without surprise that a few passers-by stared at me but expressed amazement that I paid no attention to any of the 'pretty boys' that wandered past us. I can only express a counter-surprise. My life has, in recent times, become literally an open book. Everyone who is interested in me at all knows that in earlier years I spent a great deal of time trying to qualify as a pretty boy. Surely they must be able to guess that, because of this, I am horribly aware how self-regarding, feeble and generally not worth the money this particular species can be."

If I had the money, I might still spend it on pretty boys. But I would rather spend my time in the company of interesting and funny ones.
 
  
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