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Wildcats v3.0 cancelled

 
 
2501
08:34 / 14.04.04
This is my first post on these boards, and i didnt want to start off complaining, but unfortuantely, I am. Joe Casey's Wildcats 3.0 has been cancelled as of issue #24, which has infuriated me unbelievably. This series was one of the most interesting and progressive books on the market, but it seems the execs only want superhero stories about lame fist-fighting and bright outfits.

Low sales were given as the reason for the cancellation, but this seems slightly odd, as Sleeper and Stormwatch both sell less than this. I fear for the future of the Eye of the Storm line.

Interview with Joe Casey on Newsarama.

Save Wildcats 3.0 thread on Millarworld.
 
 
e-n
10:45 / 14.04.04
This is an absolute crying shame, I've thouroughly been enjoying this.How can it be gettign low sales.
I get what your saying about sleeper but both books are the wonly two wildstorm books I buy and have been getting rave reviews across the borard right?
There's got to be some kind of backlash against this.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:20 / 14.04.04
A travesty? Hardly. Casey's biggest problem with Wildcats is his pacing. I am increasingly convinced that his run on volume 2 worked as a slow burn largely because of the quality of Sean Phillips' art: you don't mind not much happening if it's good to look at, plus the fact that Phillips excels at noir, which meant that there was always a sense of suspense - that the other shoe *was* going to drop, that tensions would explode, etc...

Sadly in Wildcats 3.0 the pace of events has slowed to even more of a crawl, and the art isn't of the same standard. It's all become a bit too formulaic, too: Casey focuses on some lurid subject matter (this is a title that hasn't benefited from the 'Mature Readers' tag), and then has his godlike android ex machina appear to fix things in a morally ambivalent way while making a very, very long speech about using corporations to improve the world. So, to use the most troubling example, Wax is into non-consensual hypnosis sex and has killed his boss and stolen his identity. Jack Marlowe finds out and lets him get away with it because it furthers Halo's interests. See also: the Halo employee whose name escapes me who kills someone in a road rage incident. Now, Casey may be intending there to be a pay-off (if he doesn't intend Wax to get some kind of comeuppance, or at least for one sympathetic character to twig that something is very wrong there, then that's a whole other can of worms entirely...). But in the meantime, if there's nothing else going on to hold your interest, people get bored of waiting.

And then they drop the title, like I did somewhere around issue 10. I don't miss it, in fact I can't help wondering why I kept buying it as long as I did...
 
 
Spaniel
11:37 / 14.04.04
Feel similarly, Fly, although I gave up the ghost yonks ago.
 
 
houdini
13:13 / 14.04.04
I only read one collection of his vol II stuff (the one with the guy with laser eyes who hates the WildCATs 'cos, um ... don't remember) and found it deeply underwhelming.

So, while I'm sorry to see this title go from a market diversity p.o.v., I can't really say I'm personally all that sorry to see it go.
 
 
The Falcon
15:18 / 14.04.04
It isn't very clever marketing to point out in the title that the book's been cancelled twice, either.

I dunno, I read the Coup issue. It was pretty good; better than all the others with the clear exception of Sleeper.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:39 / 14.04.04
I'm glad about this - not so much about Wildcats V 3.0 in specific, but about the failure of comics with ridiculously decompressed narratives in general. It's a terrible trend, and I'm glad to see series with slow motion pacing dying off. I think it's a good thing that comics companies will have to remember that giving people the most story for their money is better storytelling and better business sense. If you go through comics from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, you'll note that comics stories were much more dense, and I don't think that it is coincidental that those comics were far more commercially successful and popular.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:31 / 14.04.04
Exactly, I was all psyched about this when it started I love the ideas behind the Halo Corp. Spartan as this distant, alien CEO but the pacing and everything to do with Grifter bored me and I stopped around what... issue 8? Now I don't even care anymore.
 
 
diz
18:08 / 14.04.04
i have mixed feelings about decompressed pacing. basically, it all boils down to trades vs. monthlies, which is just a hairy issue. in general, i think it works better than faster pacing when you read it in trade paperback, and in general, i strongly prefer trades. in an ideal world, the industry would just ditch monthlies entirely, and the trade market would be able to sustain itself, and somehow it would be economically feasible to give new creators a chance to shine without monthlies. however, i doubt that would actually work in reality.
 
 
houdini
18:33 / 14.04.04
At the risk of total thread-rot...

I disagree with obediance. I think that even trades suffer from decompression. Now, I wholly agree that the old '80's comics don't read so well in the trades. Unquestionably, they were not written with collection in mind. It shows, and they suffer for it. But there is such a thing as too much decompression and it stifles trades as badly as monthly comics.

I've read a lot of trades lately where it just seems that the whole thing's over in 20 minutes, that nothing's happening at all. Some trades I've read have basically been as much story as an old 80's style single issue, spread out over 6 issues worth of trade. So now, instead of paying $2.25 to read a 20 minute comic, I'm paying $14.95 to read a 20 minute trade. Screw that.

The best trades, to my mind, offer a middle ground. They take advantage of the medium to have other paces to the story than "perpetual action, all the time", but they still pack a lot of story into them. I think New X meN works pretty well in the trades, and also provided meaty monthly issues. I think 100 Bullets works well as a trade and had enough going on in each block to make it a worthwhile monthly too (although this is harder to assess as I only read that in the trades). Similarly Alias, although it is starting to wander.

Point being, I agree with you really, ob: Trades offer advantages that singles don't. But that ain't the same as saying that rampant decompression is a good thing.

In fact, one of the most "ripoff" trades I read in the last year or two was the Slaughterhouse Smith story arc from WildCATs 2. No wonder I didn't pick up 3.0.
 
 
diz
19:44 / 14.04.04
Point being, I agree with you really, ob: Trades offer advantages that singles don't. But that ain't the same as saying that rampant decompression is a good thing.

no, i definitely agree with you that there's such a thing as too much decompression. however, look at Ultimate FF. reading this issue by issue is really frustrating the hell out of me because it's so... freaking... slow. the first issue ends with Reed getting to the Baxter Building, the second ends with the accident as a cliffhanger, etc etc. however, i suspect that once it's in trade format, it will make a perfect little read, and it would seem really rushed if the team got all their powers and fought Mole Man and whatever all in the first chapter. it's kind of how i feel about the first Ultimates arc - way too decompressed as single issues, but that first trade is paced perfectly. for me, at least.
 
 
houdini
19:48 / 14.04.04
Fair enough. I'll grant you that there are times when decompression is too slow for monthlies but just right for the trade. I'm not claiming that that can never happen.
 
 
sleazenation
19:49 / 14.04.04
I'm sorry to hear this news, not least because I love the concept and was actually enjoying the comic. It wasn't perfect by any means, but it was fun. As Flux and others have said, it did suffer from a glacially slow pacing about the glacial pace of the storyline... although it did have the refreshing side effect of ensuring that Grifter didn't recover from the injuries that put him into a wheelchair. But yeah - more bang for the buck is something *this* paying customer would like to see... but then again I'd like to see some Japanese manga style (as opposed to the little digest manga) format publications...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:16 / 14.04.04
Issue #18 sold around 14,000 copies, and the comics is tracking downard. It may have been interesting and progressive, but version 2.0 drove away most readers by coming out slowly, having art changes every few issues and little if any sense of coherancy, and 3.0 just didn't get any press when it re-launched.

I do think that the "density" of modern comics is making them less and less of a draw, since they take 6 issues to tell a story that used to take one, which is why Morrison's stuff is SUCH a breath of fresh air. He packs the stories with so much info that you get your money's worth by taking 15 - 20 minutes to read a single issue.
 
 
Isalie
06:59 / 15.04.04
See, now while everyone's going on about how the decompresion kills/ed it as a monthy, I found it always twisted and tweaked enough from month to month to keep me guessing. And I'm paying 8 bucks an issue (equiv of 4US$), which is quite a bit to me. Its the ONLY book I stil get monthly.

That it's ending, I can live with. But theres no way they can save the word with consumerism in five issues. Whats going to happen with the characters, the story?

*sulk*
 
 
The Falcon
13:38 / 15.04.04
Stormwatch: Team Achilles cancelled too.
 
 
sleazenation
13:49 / 15.04.04
I figured it was close to being axed... and Ed Brubaker has been very vocal in expressing how close to cancellation Sleeper is...

Again - I liked the idea of SW:TA, - but it had been dogged by very bad Whilice Portico artwork... The recently announced upcomming plotlines seemed to turn the book into Preacher (in the bloodline of christ plot sense)...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:53 / 15.04.04
Wait a minute. What about Wildcats was progressive? Could someone explain that one to me?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
00:47 / 16.04.04
I think he's saying it was progressive as far as the characters developing. Like if the Justice League comic suddenly had half the cast split and the remaining cast tried to take over the world by using a really good business model.
 
 
neuepunk
00:56 / 16.04.04
Matthew, it's obviously revolutionary because it takes a hard stand against corporatism while keeping Image-style gunplay! But in all seriousness, it's always felt like an Authority-meet-No Logo thing to me. Benevolent superheroes use their sway to counteract the problems with industry.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:36 / 16.04.04
I dunno, about the only interesting thing about WC3.0 to me was the fact that the Halo Corporation isn't benevolent. Its employees like to kill and rape people, and the near-omnipotent CEO not only turns a blind eye but often cleans up the mess and tries to use it to his advantage. Sure, Marlowe thinks he's changing the world for the better, but in practice although he's providing a clean, affordable, endlessly renewable energy source, he's also ensuring that his company, of which he is permanently and 100% in charge, has a monopoly on this energy source. He's taking over the world.

Now Sleeper is a comic I'd be sad to see go, even though I think the first 'season' works pretty well as a self-contained story.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:20 / 16.04.04
Hey Flyboy, what the fuck is Sleeper? I keep hearing about it. Sell me on it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:18 / 16.04.04
I dunno, about the only interesting thing about WC3.0 to me was the fact that the Halo Corporation isn't benevolent.

Wait, how is that interesting or unique? Corporations are always evil in comics, long before "No Logo."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:43 / 16.04.04
But they're the protagonists this time round - they used to be the good guys, and some of them still think they are, and Joe Casey might even think they are... Christ, why am I defending this shit! I said "about the only", I don't think it was all that fascinating or clever.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
14:41 / 16.04.04
Its really bad news, I really like wildcats, as it has played down most of the superheroics. As long as they wrap it up and continue the trades that would be nice.

SW:TA is great when whilce has nothing to do with the art. CP smith is a really good artist, that suits the book fine.

It really makes me wonder why we put up with shit like this. I respect that there are comics for everyone, but it seems like the ones that I read are the ones that are always on the brink of cancellation (by this i mean slightly edgy and published by the big four)
 
 
broken gentleman.
18:08 / 16.04.04
I loved Wildcats. I can understand people not liking the decompressed storytelling, but I thought that was one of the best aspects. The characters seemed to develop more with the pace of the story, and not in either the "after the fact" or rushed way they often are in other books.

I liked the fact that someone was actively using the power of a corporation as a main character in a comic. I mean, Micah Wright mentioned in his newsarama cancellation notice that he thought Casey's plots in the Iron Man / Stark International setting would have sold huge (well, not HUGE, but better). I might not agree with that, but it would have made so much more sense than other routes taken with the superhero/ceo type of character.

No disrespect meant to the current Iron Man plots, which I kinda like, but I almost wish it was turned into Wildcats in a different setting, because that would actually have an impact on the MU.
 
  
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