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Absinthe - Bitter Vodka, or Catalyst for Clairvoyance?

 
 
Scanner Vainly
19:52 / 13.04.04
I've found references to absinthe in Crowley and most recently seen it used by a "mentalist" in the HBO series "Carnivale" (which contains pop-occultism but can nontheless be fun to watch), but I've never been able to get my hands on the stuff in the US. Does wormwood extract actually affect perception? Anyone tried absinthe?
 
 
Mazarine
20:16 / 13.04.04
1. Wormwood is a serious neurotoxin, so it affects a lot of things.

2. Yes, but I had the cheapy low wormwood bar-legal version in New Orleans. It was the last night of a really stressful and unpleasant vacation, and I had a wonderful night of completely sound and dreamless sleep after one glass. This could be a complete coincidence, but I like to think it was the absinthe. Since I usually dream very vividly, I guess you could say it cut my perception off, or turned the volume and contrast knobs all the way down.
 
 
grant
21:34 / 13.04.04
There's some stuff on absinthe in the (not terribly searchable) thread yonder.

I know Erowid has an absinthe/wormwood vault as well, which would be an ideal resource for this sort of thing.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
22:44 / 13.04.04
I found it a pleasant drunk, but nothing too out of the ordinary. There's certainly wormwood in there, but most of the effects are from it being 100-140 proof liquor.
 
 
Scanner Vainly
22:54 / 13.04.04
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, grant.

Yeah, I'm also thinking that most of the effects would come from the high proof alcohol. I've got to see if I can get my hands on some less diluted stuff when I'm next in the UK... assuming the kind of Prohibition-era puritanism we still feel on the East Coast isn't a problem over there.

I sort of have a "drink absinthe whilst wearing a monocle by the fireside, with a copy of the Necronomicon open" fantasy.
 
 
Jester
23:24 / 13.04.04
Did anyone else see the Newsround (I think it was), when Absinthe became legal here? Jeremy Paxman tested it out on camera.

So, despite the fact that it is legal here, and I know somewhere that sells it, I still haven't tried it. And I really want to.

Maybe the secret of legalisation of drugs is that, once the challenge of getting them is removed, they will suddenly loose their appeal
 
 
sleazenation
23:39 / 13.04.04
AFAIA Absinthe has never been illegal in the UK, just in most of mainland Europe (with the notable exception of the Czech Rep. which is the only place I have drunk it). I didn't find it particularly noteworthy, just another spirit, albeit one with more kudos attached to its consumption and an overly elaborate ceremony surrounding its preparation. On the whole I found Czech weed far more deadly...
 
 
ephemerat
01:24 / 14.04.04
It certainly has mild psychedelic effects (dependent on the brand - I recommend La Fee) but requires rather larger quantities than is entirely comfortable to produce them (and this coming from a, ahem, fairly heavy drinker). After consuming over a third of a bottle I had some odd movement perception alterations (swaying curtains, morphing patterns, shifting/breathing ceiling) but all low key stuff - pretty, but hardly worthy of its fearsome rep. Of course, by that time, the sheer alchohol content meant I was ferociously drunk, barely capable of movement and in store for a hangover of Valhallan proportions. It was nice at the time, and worth a go, but ultimately not worth poisoning myself quite so badly for.
 
 
HCE
08:17 / 14.04.04
My roommate's picked up a kit from Erowid and made a bottle of the stuff: looks nasty, brackish. Let's find out what happens when somebody underweight with a low tolerance for alcohol drinks some.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:21 / 14.04.04
Nasty, nasty drink.

Nasty.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
10:47 / 14.04.04
Fucking catalyst for vomit.

But yeah, you pretty much hallucinate the whole time you're throwing up, which is all day the next day if you drink enough to hallucinate. It was interesting.
 
 
_Boboss
14:00 / 14.04.04
gonna make same of your own? bye then.

drinking absinthe doesn't make you as hard as drinking gin
 
 
Axolotl
14:14 / 14.04.04
Gin makes a man mean.
 
 
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14:20 / 14.04.04
I'm starting to feel happy that i haven't tried the stuff yet. Spewing and tripping at the same time doesn't sound like any fun at all.
 
 
salix lucida
15:54 / 14.04.04
All on the homemade stuff here...

batch 1, i would have spewed if i could spew from drinking, (and generated the "tastes like a goth pissed in my mouth" quote from the other thread) and i didn't notice if i was tripping, considering everything else i was on at the time.

hey, i was camping. there's not much else to do.

batch 2, done proper with sugar and all and nothing else in my system but food, was a bit high and trippy and mildly drunk. Definately an effect beyond drunk, and pretty nifty. i think i'd have died of alcohol poisoning long before i got to any other decidedly altered state, though.

Moral of the story: if you like the stuff, drink it like any other high-proof alcohol and enjoy some mild side effects, but don't forget you're chugging 100+ proof in search of a trip. And be fancy about it; it tastes better that way.
 
 
foot long subbacultcha
16:56 / 14.04.04
I brought a few bottles back from Prague. Didn't experience any hallucinatory effects. It's pretty harsh stuff to drink, though. Just a shockingly alcoholic spirit as far as I'm concerned. A friend of mine couldn't drink it without puking, another had trouble breathing properly the next morning, and the first time I tried it it made me sober.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
16:59 / 14.04.04
My only experience is watching other people drink it, again in Prague.

I have neither before nor since seen a grown man so close to tears from the pain of a hangover, which was why I didn't try it next time I was out.
 
 
Scanner Vainly
17:11 / 14.04.04
I may just stick to corona, then. If only absinthe weren't so idealized in books and film... wasn't it used a lot with opium in the graphic novel/film "From Hell?"
 
 
Busigoth
17:16 / 14.04.04
Exhaustive info here: http://www.gumbopages.com/food/beverages/absinthe.html w/ links to other info.
 
 
HCE
17:52 / 14.04.04
It tasted too vile for me to drink enough for it to have any effect. I didn't even get drunk(er).
 
 
Jack Fear
17:56 / 14.04.04
Did you do it with the sugar?

You've gotta do it with the sugar.
 
 
Squirmelia
20:37 / 14.04.04
My housemate likes to drink it in Wales while he plays golf.
I prefer to mix it with Pepsi Max to try to disguise the taste of aniseed.
 
 
mattydontlikeit
20:42 / 14.04.04
A friend of mine (whom I will call Dave, 'cos that's his name) converted his darkroom into a makeshift absinthe distillery for a period of some months a couple of years ago. For the better part of a year, he and I and our rather jaded circle of friends (nearly all bar employees and heavy drinkers)drank the green stuff with shocking regularity, with and without sugar. Over this period, Dave honed and perfected his recipe, finally achieving an apotheosis of sorts with it. The final batches were clear, like diluted apple juice, and had an alcohol content beyond anything I have ever experienced. Throughout that summer I think the most notable thing about the absinthe high was not anything hallucinogenic or psychichally revelatory in any way, it was simply the speed and intensity with which I attained criminal drunkenness. Whole days of my life were completely expunged from memory, while I am assured I was wide awake and performing mischief wherever I went. What I do remember about the experience is seeing a lot of my friends in a similar state, doing VERY uncharacteristic things, and remember these are all people who drink a great deal, indulge in a wide variety of drugs, and generally engage in depraved and hedonistic behavior on a regular basis, just to have something to do on a Monday night. Dave eventually tore down the still one fine afternoon, when he got into the shower and couldn't remember what part of his body the shampoo and conditioner were intended to be used on. The remaining bottles were distributed among those of us he was able to find. I still have a liter bottle, unopened, hidden in the garage, but I can't for the life of me think of an occasion that would be appropriate to open the damned thing, much less drink it. The general consensus of opinion 'round here seems to be that though we may be decadent, we ain't THAT decadent...yet.
 
 
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21:10 / 14.04.04
Thanks Matty, i really enjoyed reading that! That was funny.
 
 
Scanner Vainly
21:18 / 14.04.04
That's a great story! I've played with the idea of distilling my own but I wouldn't want to go blind from some miscalculation.
 
 
The Puck
21:31 / 14.04.04
Absinthe is another one of those drinks that give me ideas so stupid they border on genius, last time me and my freind were drinking it, we decided to go rollerblading, or as we later come to know it rollerbleeding, who cares we thought if its four in the mornig? so what that just standing up made us teeter round like young fowls?

you see because we had a drink we figured that
a) we would be more confident on our skates and therefore better
b) if we did fall over our bodys would be more relaxed and we wouldnt hurt ourselves just like the tv's "fall guy"
and c) we was each others best mate and i loved him and i dont care what that slag sez cos she dosnt know you like i do and we should move to hollywood and fight crime. on skates

after ten minutes my mate had fallen over and gashed his mouth, so much so i thought for a second that he had got his first period, out of his mouth. About five minutes after that i tried to skate of a kerb and did a fall that would have got 10's of high dive judges and a polite round of applase of the audiance.

later there was sick, but i blame concussion.
 
 
Bed Head
22:19 / 14.04.04
Puck dude, you should put that story in the ‘experiences’ section of the Erowid Absinthe resource, people should know about the dangers of combining absinthe with rollerblades. I love all the ‘experiences’ sections on that site. The nutmeg one in particular is a mine of comedy gems.
 
 
HCE
23:41 / 14.04.04
Did you do it with the sugar?

You've gotta do it with the sugar.


I tried a few variations:

Straight up: vile.
With water, comme Pernod: vile.
Poured over a sugar cube, with water: vile.
Two large spoonfuls of sugar poured in: vile.
A spoonful in a glass of pickle juice: vile pickle juice.

I have photos of this, somewhere.
 
 
Char Aina
03:42 / 15.04.04
ah, now, see, you didnt say anything about flames.

you need to caramelise the sugar by first dipping it into the glass and then burning off the absorbed alcohol. while there is a minimal reduction in alcoholoic content, there is a large improvement in the flavour.

that said, it is an aniseed taste, and that will always be there.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
05:00 / 15.04.04
Supposedly the 'Spanish' method is to pour ice water very very slowly over a strainer or absinthe spoon with a sugar cube on it until the sugar is dissolved. About four oz. water, one oz. absinthe, I think. The 'Czech' method is the burning sugar variation, which I'm told is punkrock and hardcore and pretty much used only to make really bad absinthe taste slightly less bad.

I thought the Spanish water 'n sugar was pretty good (but then, I like licorice)... the absinthe I have is Grune Fee, and the label's in German.
 
 
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06:35 / 15.04.04
...everybody booze up and riot.
Yes absinthe is evil. Tastes nasty, has one of those delayed-action-drunk effects so you only notice how whammed you are after you've been drinking for hours. The burned-off sugar makes it marginally less nasty, but the foul hangover overwhelms that fact.
Try a bottle once, and then leave well alone.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
17:29 / 15.04.04
Nice Milk & Cheese reference, cube.

I actually got to try some absinthe, or at least what was being touted as absinthe, at the Madagascar Society's Best Idea Ever event a couple months ago in Williamsburg. Despite that it has a fairly nasty bite to it, I enjoyed it for its licorice bouquet, but two shots alone were not enough to induce whatever psychotropic effects it may carry. For my birthday last month a friend gave me a bottle of Pernod, which he claims is easily converted into absinthe, though fuck if I know how.

VJB2
 
 
Bed Head
17:38 / 15.04.04
which he claims is easily converted into absinthe, though fuck if I know how.

A few drops of green ink, and a change of label. Then you sell it on to a passing student, and go and buy yourself a bottle of real absinthe.
 
 
Benny the Ball
22:30 / 15.04.04
If you want a drink in the afternoon but don't want to get a headache, I suggest absinthe. You're ony allowed two shots per bar, so move about if you want to hallucinate (three shots, well stired with lots of water and sugar should do it) and then move on to the sambuca...
 
 
sleazenation
22:44 / 15.04.04
alternatively just donate a pint of blood and go out on the piss - you'll be shouting at traffic in no time...
 
  
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