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Morrison and eco

Darkmatter

16:08 / 10.04.04

is it me or has grant morrison been reading umberto ecos book "foucaults pendulum?" the simularities between the invisibles and this book are unreal. anyone who has read the invisibles please read ecos book as well and tell me if you can see the connections

H3ct0r L1m4

18:02 / 10.04.04

memory may be failing but I believe he said so in the book's letters collumn at the time. long time ago, actually.

raelianautopsy

19:15 / 10.04.04

In which specific way has Morrison's work reflected Foucault's Pendelum? I read it a while ago and it was about the Illuminati and all that, but at the end it discounted conspiracy/occult culture. That's not like the Invisibles.

There are other books about Illuminati-type stuff that have more similarities, specifically the Illuminatus! trilogy.

Darkmatter

10:09 / 11.04.04

1. eco mentions the barbelights, morrison has barbelith
2. eco has 36 main templars in his book called the 36 invisibles
3. eco mentions the archons as does morrison
4. eco talks about rennes le chateau, robin finds the head of john the baptist in rennes le chateau
the links just keep coming if you have read this book before read it again and you will see what i mean

Benny the Ball

10:43 / 11.04.04

these are all ideas that are out there in many books anyway. Definite Robert Anton Wilson influences in his stuff though, but again I think that he has mentioned this before.

Just Add Water

18:19 / 11.04.04

Barbelight, heh:

http://www.insanediscounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=144

Sorry.

I haven't read Foucault's Pendulum in a long while, I may have to re-read it now.

The Timaximus, The!

19:53 / 11.04.04

Another work I see as a major Invisibles influence, but not really talked about, is Burroughs' Cities of the Red Night trilogy, especially The Place of Dead Roads with the Johnson family. (That's not too off-topic, is it?)

Baz Auckland

00:56 / 13.04.04

...but just as a lot of the Invisibles themes aren't original, neither are Eco's. Both took a pile of conspiracy theories that have been about for centuries and molded them into great stories...

diz

01:22 / 13.04.04

...but just as a lot of the Invisibles themes aren't original, neither are Eco's. Both took a pile of conspiracy theories that have been about for centuries and molded them into great stories...

exactly. it's more like GM and Eco are taking water from a lot of the same wells.

Char Aina

05:17 / 13.04.04

and grant keeps nicking water out of the bucket eco went to the trouble of pulling up all by himself.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:04 / 13.04.04

Yeah, I definitely got a Burroughs "Johnson" vibe about the whole thing. And the whole thing about viral language.

Then again, Burroughs also seems to have been a big influence on RAW...

There's a lot of cross-pollination going on.

diz

14:54 / 13.04.04

and grant keeps nicking water out of the bucket eco went to the trouble of pulling up all by himself.

if by "pulling up all by himself" you mean "reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail and writing a novel about a bunch of Italian intellectuals who start taking it seriously," then you're still basically wrong, since i think the direct and specific influence of Foucault's Pendulum on The Invisibles is being generally overstated in this thread. i think that Eco's working off Baigent and Leigh (who are themselves working on previous Templar conspiracy lit), and GM grabs more than a little off them, too, but i wouldn't overestimate the influence of Eco's work on GM's.

mind you, i loved Foucault's Pendulum, i just don't see anything in particular in The Invisibles that strongly suggests he lifted it from Eco, especially not when compared to his more blatant borrowing from RAW and PKD and others.

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