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Wonderfalls vs. Reality TV

 
 
John Octave
16:24 / 04.04.04
Hello. First time poster, long time lurker, found community via Invisibles comic, etc etc rubbish. Onto business.

The sitcom has been a decaying artform for years (some would say since its inception), finally appearing to really burn itself out around the time that "Friends" hit it big and American television (I'll be speaking about American television here, since that's where I live; how's television in Britain, incidentally?) cloned it repeatedly, the mediasphere reshaping itself with the singular premise of "young attractive singles in a parallel New York devoid of minorities".

In the wake of the end of the traditional sitcom, I noticed two new forms of comedy appearing--the half-hour sitcom without laugh track (without needing to hear imaginary people laughing ever thirty seconds, writers could start inserting more subtle, quirky, idiosyncratic humor) and the hourlong dramedy (these tend to be smarter, on the whole, and far cleverer than most other shows in their timeslot).

Fox's keen "Wonderfalls" fell into the latter category. Fun, snarky, a bit surreal without being too difficult, and character-centric (not to mention sporting an Andy Partridge theme). Yet it's been cancelled, while Fox's reality programs (including one in which "ugly" people are remade with plastic surgery and compete in a beauty contest) persist.

I realize that television is by nature an unoriginal media that clones what is successful (and right now that is the gameshow-reality hybrid "Survior" pattern), and I found the phenomenon mildly interesting at first, if for no other reason than its vindication of Andy Warhol. But now that original non-sitcom scripted television that I enjoy is being pushed off for "reality" almost exclusively (and "reality" is getting further and further from "real" and dangerously approaching something approximating sitcoms with no actors), I'm concerned:

So people on Barbelith are far more skilled at recognizing patterns and trends and eventualities in the media than someone like me. Is "reality" television a phase that will burn itself out like the "NYC singles" genre, or, because it is an entirely different sort of television, will it crush scripted, acted television in some sort of Darwinian mediarmageddon?

Here ends long, rambly post with multiple points of entry and departure. I thought it'd be fun.
 
 
Panic
19:35 / 04.04.04
It's more a matter of economics than a symptom of tastes changing. So-called reality shows are much cheaper to produce than standard dramas/comedies. No writers per se, no SAG actors, no renegotiation of contracts and increased salaries each season (*cough*friends*cough*westwing*cough*), etc etc...

The recent primetime gameshow fad lasted less than two years, i reckon. If networks run out of ideas for reality shows before the viewers get sick of them, then they'll return to a scripted program format. They need something to trot out for the Emmys after all...

That said, I really enjoyed Wonderfalls, and was surprised it even lasted four episodes given FOX's track record as a network.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:36 / 04.04.04
I think a lot of it has to do with networks being impatient. If Seinfeld came on now, it'd be cancelled within a few episodes, and not given the chance to grow. It wasn't until the third season that Seinfeld started to become a ratings phenomenon, and in today's market, networks just don't have the patience.

It confounds me that you could invest all the time and money in producing and promoting a show like Wonderfalls, get a great critical response, and then cancel it after three episodes. Three episodes is in way an adaquate amount of time to view the sort of ratings that a show is going to get.

So, considering how impatient networks are, it's a lot easier to invest in a really cheap reality show, that is no problem if it fails, and pure money if it hits. However, I think things will eventually change, when syndication money stops coming in, since reality shows don't repeat well.

According to Joss Whedon, Angel was cancelled not because of poor ratings, but to make room for more reality, that is a shame.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:17 / 06.04.04
Dunno if it got referred to here, but there was a show on in the UK recently called ‘Bedsitcom’, wherein three people in a flat were actors, fed lines and directions by a bunch of writers downstairs, and were living with three people who thought it was a reality show. Quite interesting, if not wholly successful, and I kind of hoped it might be a an indication that we might be heading back into having TV shows with, y’know, stories and stuff. Apparently not.

It suddenly occurred to me the other day that one of the practical considerations which doesn’t appear to have got that much mention (perhaps swamped, not unreasonably, by the aesthetic debate) is that the current flow of shows like this (especially those which have viewer voting as a component) doesn’t exactly create a huge pool of stuff to show in the future by way of repeats/syndication/whatever. Big Brother, for example, is rarely if ever repeated in the UK, and to take the example of Angel, that would be, what, 20 hours of schedule that could be filled up ? I’m not necessarily a fan of repeats, but it’s a strangely short-sighted way to go about filling the schedules, especially given the ongoing proliferation of channels…
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
22:20 / 06.04.04
I mentioned this in the Temple thread about "Wonderfalls," but I realize not everyone even looks at that area. So as to let as many folks know as possible, there is a petition forming online to save "Wonderfalls." I grant you, this is Fox we're speaking of, and they're not the biggest fans of the vocal minority (lowest common denominator fer me, ma! hyuk!), but better to try than to let this great new show die unmourned.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wonderfalls

I really do encourage you all to sign it and send a clear message that the Fox suits, for all their supposed "finger on the pulse of America yakkitysmackity" they really haven't the first fucking clue what the public wants.

VJB2
 
 
John Octave
04:26 / 07.04.04
DaveBCooper, I've been thinking about that myself. The reality phenomenon seems very short-sighted. There's syndication and re-runs to be sure, but what really sticks in my head is the rise of DVD technology.

A few years ago it wasn't practical to release most shows in a format for the home, because VHSing an entire season of a TV show was expensive and took up a lot of space. But now that it's affordable and practical to release seasons of Smallville and the Sopranos on DVD, networks should wonder if anyone would really buy a DVD of Temptation Island. I know several people, on the other hand, who'd be willing to buy a Wonderfalls DVD.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:49 / 07.04.04
Did anyone here watch Wonderfalls? I kept hearing that it was really pretty good but not great. The lead girl is really cute and was supposed to be a good actress; the device for the series seemed a little odd, sort of like Joan of Arcadia but without the directions coming from God clearly. From what I heard, it seemed to suffer from a little of an "Ed"-like "look how quirky we are!" thing. Veteran Joss Whedon producer Tim Minear worked on this show.
 
 
John Octave
15:48 / 07.04.04
Wolf, yep, I saw the third and fourth episode (I missed the first two because due to Fox's "brilliant" ad campaign for the show, I was not even aware it existed before then). It wasn't the best thing on TV ever, but it was something DIFFERENT and exciting.

The device IS a bit weird, and I don't see how they could keep it going more than about three seasons. But the difference between a show like this and Joan of Arcadia is that Wonderfalls caters to a more cynical audience. The lead isn't a sweet, good-natured person, but is a bitter borderline-alcoholic (but in a cute, snarky way) who only does what she's told to do because it's the only way to get those animals to shut up. So it uses undercutting to prevent from getting too "Aww...how sweet."

If you thought Ed was a bit too "hee! we're so quirky!" then this might not be the show for you (of course, now that it's cancelled, it's not the show for anybody). I liked Ed, so I enjoyed this. I dunno, maybe the show would've burned itself out eventually, but it should've at least been given a CHANCE, I think. It had potential.

Anyway, Minear said that the 13 episodes they actually finished shooting form a whole story with closure in their own right, so a DVD release would be satisfying, I think.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:32 / 07.04.04
A few years ago it wasn't practical to release most shows in a format for the home, because VHSing an entire season of a TV show was expensive and took up a lot of space. But now that it's affordable and practical to release seasons of Smallville and the Sopranos on DVD, networks should wonder if anyone would really buy a DVD of Temptation Island. I know several people, on the other hand, who'd be willing to buy a Wonderfalls DVD.

Actually, I think this would contribute to the swifter cancellation of non-reality shows because now you two completely seperate avenues of revenue.

a) Reality Shows That Cost Little To Produce And Generate Enormous Amounts Of Advertiser Revenue

b) Quality Shows That Air For A Few Days And Generate Enormous Amounts Of Pure Profit (Assuming The Network Produced The Show [Which Is Not Always True. To Wit: Buffy & Angel]) On DVD.

For example. I just picked up the Freaks & Geeks DVD set today and it joins the growing ranks of a library made up of a wildly increasing amount of DVD Television Box Sets.

By and large, most shows would not support any kind of release on DVD and, ironically, the ones that do best are often among the least popular, ratings-wise. This, however, in the long run, will probably be better for quality television in the long-run. I guarantee three years ago, Fox would not have ordered 13 episodes of Wonderfalls. They were keenly aware that most of the money made off that show would be on DVD. I can't vouch for its quality, but I'm sure that's why ABC is being so cavelier with its scheduling of Kingdom Hospital. They can afford to be. The show is going to make an outrageous amount of money on DVD. Then again, if ABC/Disney isn't actually producing the show, it might be a simply act of malignance since they won't be seeing any of the sweet sweet cash when the show hits DVD. Fox did this with Futurama, since Matt Groening owned the show and Fox simply distributed it.

Networks, or, at least Television Producers, have a new and robust source of revenue which I believe will allow them to take more chances on riskier shows, knowing that a cancellation won't hurt, and in most cases will undoubtedly help, DVD sales in the long run.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more 13 Chapter series, connected more in the vein of an HBO show like Deadwood or Carnivale, being greenlit by networks, completely unafraid of cancelling it at the drop of a ratings point and releasing it on DVD later on. I've also heard that the first DVD set for Arrested Development is being prepped for release before the Second Season airs. This is truly brilliant and could result not only in huge sales profits, as everyone will have heard of it and will be buying it sight unseen, but it couls also prolong the shelf-life of the show on air, an industry first.

So, let the networks have their reality shows. If it didn't sell, it wouldn't exist. Thanks to DVD, though, I think TV is getting riskier than ever, even if we don't get to see all of it on network. Wouldn't you rather see it all together in a Boxset anyway?

Sounds a lot like the Comics' Trade/Issue debate, although I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum in that arena.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:36 / 07.04.04
I've been thinking about that myself. The reality phenomenon seems very short-sighted. There's syndication and re-runs to be sure, but what really sticks in my head is the rise of DVD technology.

Also, as far as syndication goes, who needs it when you've got seven episode seasons and a sequel already in production?
 
 
gridley
19:00 / 07.04.04
I'm not sure why people take it as a given that reality shows won't work in syndication and reruns.

I'm sure old episodes of Survivor would easilly do as well as syndicated episodes of King of Queens and Seinfeld that I see whenever I turn on the TV.

Personally I'd love to see old seasons of the Real World...
 
 
PatrickMM
23:08 / 07.04.04
Chareth, with regards to releasing shows really quickly on DVD, 24 put out the first season in September 2002, two months before the second season aired. After the first season, the show was on the bubble, but in the second the ratings made a big jump, and a lot of that is credited to the DVD release. I know that Alias is putting out this current season before the next one airs. I think it's a great trend, and I'm with you on having an increasing number of TV boxes.

Plus, I think TV on DVD makes shows much less transient. It ceases to be something you sit it on every once in a while, and really becomes something to watch and respect.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:39 / 07.04.04
Exactly.

Personally, I could care less if these shows keep getting shunted off of the networks in favor of more and more reality. That way I can watch less television in those hours between my job and sleepytime. There is proven money in releasing quality shows on DVD and thus, there will always be a home for it.
 
 
THX-1138
16:17 / 08.04.04
wait what? Wonderfalls is already cancelled?! but but I liked it...dammit.
 
 
gergsnickle
03:21 / 13.04.04
My thoughts exactly THX - it's cancelled?!? I saw the first episode on vacation after reading a preview in USA Today on a plane and loved it - Wonderfalls, not USA Today or the plane - but then had to go back to work and missed the rest of the episodes, hoping I would catch up when they re-ran the season in the summer. Naîve me. I guess I would buy a DVD of this, or at least rent it. I don't think the show was really publicized too much - no one I mentioned it to had ever heard of it. Bummer.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:13 / 13.04.04
I can't fathom why this thread is about Wonderfalls and not Arrested Development.

The biggest problem Wonderfalls ever had wasn't being on Fox, it was that it was too similar to Joan Of Arcadia for its own good.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
22:02 / 20.11.05
The entire series of Wonderfalls is out now on DVD. Only four episodes were even shown on TV but it turns out there were 13 episodes and they're all on the DVD. Has anybody else gotten this? The series keeps getting continually better and better after the first four episodes, and since they were being cancelled they managed to wrap the whole thing up into a single story with a definate ending. Not DEFINATE definate, you can tell they wanted to be able to keep the series going, but it does have a good ending and so the whole thing watches like a 13 hour movie.

I've been buying it as a present for a few friends and family and everyone's loving it. I couldn't possibly recommend it more. One of the Golden Girls even shows up.

plus, when i got it it was only twenty bucks, so you really can't go wrong on it.
 
 
Billuccho!
22:28 / 20.11.05
I just ordered Wonderfalls the other day. Amazon was having a sale.
 
 
h1ppychick
11:14 / 21.11.05
The whole season was broadcast a couple of months ago in the UK on Sky, albeit under really bizarre and erratic early-hours scheduling. I've just ordered in the DVD from the US.

Any other recommendations of slightly more 'quirky' US dramedy series would be welcomed, so please feel free to pile on hereunder with reams and reams of suggestions - by the way I've already seen Veronica Mars series 1 which is also excellent, although in a more mainstreambuttwisted Beverly Hills 90210 way...
 
  
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