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Bonnie Prince Billy

 
 
grant
14:18 / 31.03.04
Why is there no discussion of this guy on here?

He seems sort of important, but I know very little about him.

I ask because, well, of this thread in the Creation, challenging people to cover one of his songs.

I've heard a lot *about* him, and I've heard maybe three songs, maybe four. They seem good, in that dreary, 4-tracky, twangy way. Like a combination between early Sebadoh and Wilco, maybe? But I still haven't bought any albums. Should I? Which ones?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:13 / 31.03.04
Will contribute a proper reply soon, but for now, here's a comprehensive discography.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:40 / 31.03.04
I don't own as much as I'd like (or enough to really go sticking up a huge long post about it, not that I'm going to let that stop me), but I've been trying to figure out precisely what it is about Oldham's music that hooks me in.

Firstly, that it's dreary isn't strictly true. Some of it is, certainly, but that's by no means true of the majority of it. There's a playfulness to much of what he does. The All Most Heaven EP, for example - which is a bit of an alternative supergroup project, involving Oldham, Rian Murphy, Albini, Jim O'Rourke, Bill Callaghan, Laetitia Sadler, and so on - is silly-grin enjoyable, O'Rourke's odd '60s Bacharach pop production (think his Eureka album: lush string arrangements and jaunty, swelling rhythms) married to nonsense lyrics (We held upon a biggun daddy hates to / The song fell on the gable; ah-ee stood ape-hole).

There's also a dark humour to most, if not all, of those songs that could initially be thought to be dreary. As far as his earlier, Palace-era output goes, there's the inbred horse-loving hick that became a cliche and is played as such, but with far more empathy for the character than that suggests. There's the wooziness of Drinking Woman, or the low-fi camp fire singalong of Big Balls. I suppose it's a matter of letting yourself enter that world, that headspace, but 'dreary' tracks like No More Rides and Take However Long You Want are downbeat pillows of enveloping sound, to my ears.

None of that makes any sense, I now realise.

As far as his Bonnie 'Prince' Billy records go, I still think that I See a Darkness is the most coherent and complete. Musically, it's not like anything else out there; a 17th century folk music. It also highlights one of Oldham's other major talents - his use of words. His eloquence is a constant throughout his career - amazing turns of phrase that knock you back when you actually start listening to them. And for this album, BPB is as much a character as Stable Will or the drunk preacher (who's a sick drunk, rather than Nick Cave's raging drunk).

It's dark, yeah, but it's funny dark. Or rather, it's funny dark if you want to read it as funny dark. That's one of the other things - the nature of what you take away from Oldham's songs often depends on what you bring to them. The skull in the moon on the cover is grinning at the listener as much because it knows there's a streak of comedy inherent in death, misery, drunken loneliness and fatal disease as it is because it isn't capable of pulling any other faces. Today I Was an Evil One?

That's not to say that it's all that dark, of course. The title track, for example, contains these elements in abundance, but also has a very human warmth, a sense of empathy and pity to it.

Add in the way the closing track's a love song that speaks of heartbreak, self-deluded hopefullness and beauty in under two minutes and you've got a classic record, right there.

Ease Down the Road fills out the sound with warm production and backing vocals and is possibly more affecting than .. Darkness as a result. Er... now that I'm listening to it again, I don't know if the previous album is the best out of the BPB stuff - they all cover such different ground that it's difficult to say. The next, Master and Everyone pulls back from the fullness of the sound in Ease..., but does so without going back to the pitch black of .. Darkness. The songs here all have softer sensibilities than before - they're as close to straight love songs as he's come. Rothkoid (at least, I think it was Roth) was bang on when he said that Master and Everyone contains Oldham's best BPB song in Hard Life - you can't take the words "It's a hard life for a man with no wife" entirely seriously, so the humour's still there in a sense, but it's another character piece, and as such you completely believe that the guy's honestly finding it hard because of that. Again, this astonishingly clever mix comes about because of Oldham's wonderful way with words, but also because the music fits them so beautifully.

And there's more. One With the Birds (off the Blue Lotus Feet EP) is a close relative, in terms of tune and structure, to Gram Parsons' Hickory Wind (Oldham had apparently never heard the older track before somebody pointed out the similarity). Listening to it, I can imagine Parsons singing it, and not because of that coincidence. It has the ache of a Parsons track, the longing.

So... recommendations. The three BPB albums I've talked about, for a start. Palace Music's Arise, Therefore. The rarities collection Guarapero/Lost Blues 2. If you can find them, the collaborations with Rian Murphy (All Most Heaven) and the Marquis de Tren (Dirty Three's Mick Turner - Get on Jolly, which I've not talked about here, but sounds a little like Gastr Del Sol). You can probably do without Ode Music, by the way - it's an alrightish-I-suppose instrumental release, but is entirely disposable.

If you've heard Dave Pajo's Whatever, Mortal (released as Papa M) and like that, you'll like Oldham's releases, especially his BPB records. And if you haven't heard Pajo's record but have heard and liked those by Oldham, you'll like that too. So buy it. Now.
 
 
rizla mission
19:55 / 31.03.04
Here's a strange thing:

I own "I See a Darkness", and absolutely love it - every single song is just superb. Can't recommend it highly enough.

Yet I've never felt the urge to investigate any other Oldham records.. something about the bits I've heard from them sort of fails to engage me - I don't hear the things I love about "..Darkness", just rather dreary alt-country fare with the occasional interesting song.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:32 / 31.03.04
I'd say you need to dig deeper, Riz. It's that headspace thing I was talking about earlier - none of his albums have ever grabbed me straight away, but once I spend time with them I can't do without them. I've done grant a comp of stuff, so if you want a copy let me know (remembering that I'm absolutely shit at getting things sent off to people when I say I will, so you might have to give me a kick).

One thing I forgot to mention in the previous ramblings was Oldham's voice - it's as immediately recognisable and individual as those of Tom Waits, Cathal Coughlan, Scott Walker... I suppose one of the other deciding factors in how much you get out of Oldham's music is how much his voice affects you. It definitely hits me in the right place.

Funny thing, but I think of you whenever I see a photo of him, grant. I think it's a facial hair thing.
 
 
Locust No longer
01:48 / 01.04.04
I for some reason got into his highly American music over seas. I've always been partial to the Palace album with the drum machine, and the album with just his big bearded face is pretty cool, too. I wouldn't call him essential to my listening tastes by any means, however. Sometimes his folksy mannerisms get on my nerves and seem a tad disingenuous.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
05:27 / 01.04.04
Short answer: he's fucking fabulous. Like most, I think I See A Darkness is probably the best place to start (and end, if you're not too big on him), but I've got to give Master And Everyone bigger props than I think it's received thus far in this thread. It's a brilliant album; so lovely and warm, and even tentatively hopeful - a departure from his regular saw.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:54 / 12.06.06
"I Gave You" from Superwolf (a collaboration with Matt Sweeney) is the single saddest song I have ever heard.
 
 
+#'s, - names
01:00 / 13.06.06
funny, i was just making a flyer for the instore he is doing at my friends record store in august, as a bit of a thank you from drag city for moving so much of their product over the last 11 years.
 
 
doctorbeck
15:08 / 13.06.06
like this man too, but most of what i have heard i have not liked at all on first listen, whatever monicker it was under

case in point the new lp of covers done with tortoise, even tho by the time i heard it i knew my likely reaction, played it twice, put it away, moaned about it to muso freinds, then on a whim played the elton john cover onje night (daniel) and realised that it is one of the best covers EVER and that in fact i really liked the lp

i think his stuff can be, almost a monotone, very little going on at first glance then depths unfold and unfold.

and yes those were the words 'good' and 'elton john' in the same sentence.
 
 
Andria
17:46 / 13.06.06
The covers he made with Tortoise are just amazing.

In particular, their version of "Thunder Road" (originally by Bruce Springsteen, who I dislike) is a masterpiece - it's been slowed down and is a lot sadder than the original (all the songs on the album are, I think) which fits Oldham's voice perfectly and makes it really moving. However, the real brilliance comes from Tortoise, with the fantastic guitar part used throughout the song and the astonishing drumming. The drums sound like machine guns, only they're always holding back, so it builds pressure and when they're finally (very shortly) let free... it's my favourite part of the song. Hard to describe.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:45 / 18.06.06
I'm not too sure about the album with Tortoise, myself. The Superwolf one, on the other hand, is flawless.

Oldham's one of those people whose collaborative efforts are always interesting, at least, if not wholly successful. It's fun to hear his voice against the kind of instrumentation or song structure that he doesn't tend to bring to his own recordings. The first track on Superwolf, fr example - the guitar's playing MIssissippi blues, which puts a new slant on his vocals.

Just got the ... sings Greatest Palace Music collection, which is another odd one. The 'alt' part of alt-country is almost stripped right out of the equation. There's full-on country instrumentation, for a start - slide guitars, violins, backing vocals - but he's also changed some of the tempos. It's beautiful.
 
 
Slate
16:32 / 21.06.06
Yup, got the "Sings Greatest Palace Music" Album and Ease Down the Road but I can't get into them as much as the collaboration he did with Tortoise called The Brave and the Bold. I don't get into every single track on this, like That's Pep for example but these are so much better than the country inspired stuff I have from him so far. I guess it's because I suffer a nervous reaction to the slide guitar, it's a long story, but I used to work for this guy. By the way, WHY ISN'T THERE A TORTOISE THREAD ON BARBELITH????????
 
 
Slate
16:34 / 21.06.06
oH oH, someone said once I look like him? Whaddya reckon???
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:03 / 04.07.06
He's also on the new Current 93 album which I am in a frenzy of postman-waitingness for.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
20:45 / 04.07.06
Hey, me too! I ordered after seeing his name in the credit list and having good feelings confirmed in the Barb C93 thread.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:17 / 05.07.06
Did anyone else like the Summer In The Southeast album he released, of live stuff? I thought it was fucking appalling.

I can see the appeal for an artist of revisiting their songs, but the versions on this disc were devoid of any of that painfully close vibe that makes so many of his recordings appealing.

Woeful. Just woeful.
 
 
dub
12:52 / 08.07.06
I love the live album, though I didn't really get into it until after I'd seen him perform for the first time.

It was fascinating to compare the original/live/'summer in the southeast' versions of songs. 'Wolf Among Wolves' is still relatively sedate on the live album, but live it was a total hoe-down, and vice versa with 'Master and Everyone', there were quite a few alternate lyrics too...

Some people take issue with 'Sings Palace Music' for similar reasons; that it doesn't sound like Oldham sitting alone in a chair wracked with doubt and pain with an acoustic whispering in your ear. Perhaps it was just the spirit of the tour I saw him on (it was a tour cum camping holiday for him, and he is one to make bold collaborative choices with each venture) but when he wasn't gurning into the mic singing, he was usually jumping up and down!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:23 / 17.08.06
The video for No More Workhorse Blues is deeply unsettling.
 
 
+#'s, - names
01:35 / 22.08.06
I just saw him today perform an in store at my local record shop. Really amazing scene, place was completely packed. How cool is a guy who does an appreciation tour of independent record stores?

I was surprised at how powerful his voice really is. It seems almost as if on record he sings looser than live, which is a bit backwards to the way most people go about it.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:00 / 13.10.06
the letting go is freaking FANTASTIC. I'm just diving into it now, and enjoying every second.
 
 
COG
12:42 / 13.06.08
I love all of the incarnations that he uses to put music out. As has been mentioned, it is a thing that you have to get into, much like Bob Dylan, Tom Waits etc. All due to the voice and unconventional, warbly delivery I think. All of these three artists sing songs as characters rather than from a true personal perspective. Is it a coincidence that Waits and Oldham are both part tome actors too? And Dylan seems to spend his entire life acting.

Anyway, a few people I know had problems initially even listening to his stuff, but now they are massive fans.

Live, he is very different depending on the group that he tours with and also his mood on the night I have heard. I have seen him once play solo on a bill with Smog (at Dingwalls I think), and once at a big theatre style venue (supporting Mogwai in London, can't remember where) and he dominated the crowd in a different way each time. He has stage presence.

I really started writing this because I wanted to talk about sings Greatest Palace Music. Coming after the years of hearing the mournful, cracked records (albeit with the sense of humour mentioned above) this record sounded like a simpler version of those songs. But now, I can't get enough of it. He obviously has a love of the big straight country sound and with such strong tunes the arrangements work brilliantly. I think it works especially well if you have been a fan previously, and the total success of such a total change of style makes you grin.

Just flicking through the albums I have and wanted to mention Joya, Viva Last Blues and Lost Blues and other songs. Each one a cracker. Lost Blues 2 I never got into for some reason and I don't actually have a copy. Anybody care to convince me otherwise?

Finally, a story to make you jealous. A friend used to work for Big Cat records (where Palace stuff was first released in the UK) and he did a bit of driving for them when they toured there. He spent one evening enjoying a joint and a little sing-song around an actual campfire with the man and his people.
 
 
M.a.P
12:13 / 14.06.08
There's a new album titled "Lie down in the Light",
and so far it's...kinda of a happy record i guess.
The production is very clean and lush, and the songs are pretty good. His lyrics are clearly avoiding the doom and gloom of most of his discography, and there are also a couple of songs featuring female singer Ashley Webber who does a pretty good job too!
My favorite albums were "There's no one that will take care of you", "I See A Darknees" and "Master and Everyone", but this one is fairly different...Gotta get back to it.
 
  
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