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Elves, information gathering.

 
 
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17:17 / 30.03.04
I've been looking for any information on Elves in Mythology, Alfheim Elves, Celtic Elves or any other types. I've just been searching around for info about Norse related Elves but i keep finding only a paragraph or a sentence on them and i was hoping for more, so does anyone know of any good links/places to search?

I'm hoping to find as much as i can because i've been interested in them for a while now. I'm having a couple of Elven/Elemental/Otherworld type character's in the story i'm writing and was hoping to do some Magical work with them too, so i'd be really glad if anyone could help.
 
 
grant
17:58 / 30.03.04
Here and here -- the Tuatha de Danann.

You could also get a *lot* of insight out of John Crowley's novel Little, Big, but it's more contemporary and not traditional. It does make sense of the Fair Folk being reduced to Victorian-era fairies and that, and it's a great read.
 
 
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18:47 / 30.03.04
Thanks Grant, i'm finding stuff already from that. Anyone know of Norse sites that have more than a paragraph on Elves then?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
18:55 / 30.03.04
Zen
What you need to look for are references to the liosalfar (who live above the ground) and the svartalfar (who live underground). Both are, I think, related to Freyr and the Vanir. Hilda Ellis Davidson's Gods and Myths of Northern Europe should be able to tell you more, or any of Kevin Crossley-Holland's books.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
19:01 / 30.03.04
Try Huginn and Muninn a 'heathen' search engine

Also, here's a whole bunch of Runic/Asatru Links
 
 
cusm
19:11 / 30.03.04
I went on a binge for a time looking for just that, frustrated at the lack of detail on the Alfs in general, in the edda and elsewhere. So Alf means "ray", they're associated with light and the sun, there's an Alf for the dawn and one for the dusk, and they're classified as a type of people, as are the Aesir and Vanir. Freyer is the ruler of Alfheim, and Freya likes them a lot. The only one to show up named in the Eddas is Volund the Smith. The Catalog of Dwarves suggests that Alf and Dwarf are commonly mistaken for one another, being that there are a bunch of elven names (like Gandalf = Wind Elf) in there.

I found one site once with some scholoary essays attempting to trace the various legends back to probable historic events, piece together the larger epic that is largely lost now save for fragments. The work suggested that at one point there was a war between the elves and Aesir, further that many of the Vanir were Elves, and the interesting conclusion that Alfheim was actually Finland. Can't find the link now, naturally. But the Finnish connection is interesting, especially if you are familiar with the Kaleva.

Anyway, one site of possible use. If you dig up anything usable, do let on. I've been interested in this subject quite a bit myself.
 
 
cusm
19:18 / 30.03.04
The third kind of inferior Deities which the heathen Northmen worshiped was the Elves (Álfr, a spirit; plur. Álfar). The belief in them rests wholly upon the Asa doctrine, which represents the Elves as the inhabitants of that region of the atmosphere nearest to the Earth's surface, and of the interior of the Earth. The former were called properly, Light-Elves (Ljósálfar), the latter, Dark-Elves (Dökkálfar); (37) but the two classes were blended together at an early period in the popular faith, and it appears to have been a very general belief that the Earthly Elves were neither black nor evil. It was thought that in their whole nature and appearance they were like men, and that they had their dwellings in mounds. They showed themselves occasionally and were thought to have power to do both good and evil to the people who lived in their vicinity. Therefore men sought to gain their friendship by sacrifices (Álfablót) and by services, whenever the Elves might demand them.
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The Dísir were often reckoned among the Elves, and sometimes also the Landvættir.
The Elfen-faith has been kept up until the present time among the people of Norway and Iceland, in the belief in the Huldra-fólk, or rather Huldu-fólk (the concealed, invisible Folk), and likewise in Denmark in the belief in Elle-folk (the Elves or Fairies).


Disir are air spirits, by the way, generally female. Valkyries are a type of Disir, basicly, but they are also a class of spirit.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
19:31 / 30.03.04
Might be worth looking at Alan Garner's novel The Weirdstone of Brisingamen - which I seem to recall features the Liosalfar - and it's set on Alderley Edge!
 
 
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21:11 / 30.03.04
Wow that's wierd, i was just gonna link to that same site cusm! I found something on here in a Teutonic mythology text : Rydberg's Teutonic Mythology

Thanks everyone, i'll post back if i get anything else.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
08:47 / 31.03.04
The Tuatha are not Elves. They pretty much occupy the place of Gods in Irish mythology. The closest thing to elves in Irish mythology are Sidhe, though I'm not sure where they came from and how they are connected to the Tuatha or indeed if they even are.

Elves are as far as I am aware a completely Norse invention.
 
 
grant
15:55 / 31.03.04
Don't the Sidhe and the Tuatha live in the same place, though?

This site compares the two, saying the Sidhe might be post-Christian descendants of the Tuatha (but the author isn't sure of that).

This unrelated bachelor's thesis makes the similar claim:
One of the earliest examples of the link between past cultures and the world of fairies can be found in the mythological history of Ireland, the 'Book of Invasions,' in which the Tuatha de Danaan are documented as the predecessors of the Irish Celts. With the arrival of the Celtic invaders, the Tuatha de Danaan were driven underground, to the 'hollow hills,' where they became the sidhe-folk, the fairy-folk. As the Tuatha dwindled to fairies, their goddesses took on a new image, that of the Fairy Queen, the goddess from the ancient Otherworld who is many times invoked in subsequent Celtic literature.
 
 
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16:27 / 31.03.04
That's the same thing i've come across myself a few times, that the Tuatha became the Sidhe as time went on.
 
  
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