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Frank Fress
14:30 / 29.03.04
I thought I'd start this topic as there seems to be little on Barb' about Remote Viewing. I'm afraid that I know very little about this topic myself but when I was at a bar in Providence Rhode Island once there was a mentalist performing there and he was fucking amazing. He did things like have everyone in the audience write something on a card and seal it in an envelope then he guessed what was written on every card, then he asked three people in the audience about things that had happened in their dreams, pulled out another envelope that he had sealed prior to the performance, opened it a read it and it was exactly what the three people had said their dreams were about, it was fucking freaky. Afterwards I asked him how he did it and he mentioned Remote Viewing. Now, I know guessing what people have written on a fucking card is pretty minor psychic stuff but I've read on the web about contacting aliens and whatnot. Does anyone here have any experience with Remote Viewing? I'm intrigued by the Remote Viewing packages offered by Psi-tech and advertised on the disinfo site but they are like $500 bucks and I'm reluctant to hand over that amount of cash for something that is complete bullshit. If any of you out there have experience with RV what are some basic techniques and is it a difficult skill to develop? Psi-tech claims that their methods achieve almost 100% accuracy but I'm very skeptical. The techniques that I've read on the web sound kind of like bullshit and all the sites assure me that if I BUY the package I'll be visting aliens and predicting natural disasters...that's right! Nostradamus was a chump! I'm looking into the future and I predict that in 1999 the anti-Christ will come from the sky starting World War Three and all the world's Gatorade will turn to blood! MWAAHAHA!
 
 
Chiropteran
14:54 / 29.03.04
Man, in the last three or four days I've been hearing/reading nothing but remote viewing, everywhere I turn...

You might want to check out this site for some information, and especially for the "Coordinate Remote Viewing Manual" which is provided as a free .PDF (the manual is claimed to be the same one that was given to government CRV operatives-in-training, make of that what you will). Should be interesting reading, at the least, and better than cheap. :|

There are a lot of sites out there about psychic phenomenon, and they push a lot of different agendas along with the ESP or whatever, but have you noticed that the Remote Viewing people (and a lot of the Psionics people) in particular really seem to be tuned into the Government Mega-Conspiracy frequency? Complete with all the military-style IPTAA ("Inpenetrable Pseudo-Technical Acronyms and Abbreviations") or "alphabet soup?" Just an observation, FWIW.

Have fun!

~L
 
 
Frank Fress
17:28 / 29.03.04
I have noticed the weird government conspiracy thing. In 1994 the US government released a load of information on Operation Stargate that was utilizing Remote Viewing. The head of the company PSI-tech was a Major working for the department of defense. I believe he was interviewed by Art Bell in 1994(?) in regard to his work for the government. During the interview he predicts a major almost super-natural global catastrophe that will occur 1999 and herald the coming of the anti-Christ. It's a good thing we all survived that super-natural catastrophe. That in particular makes me very suspicious of Remote Viewing, this is from the man who says that PSI-tech can acheive almost 100% accuracy. Damned margin of error!
If you visit the PSI-tech website there are all kinds of reports that I believe were comissioned by the department of defense. There is even a 1998 report on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I wonder if inexperienced Remote Viewers were responsible for the Bush administration's faulty intelligence.
 
 
Chiropteran
19:00 / 29.03.04
"I wonder if inexperienced Remote Viewers were responsible for the Bush administration's faulty intelligence."

Or if Saddam's RVers were more on the ball and kept the WMD's one step ahead of the weapons inspectors...

The U.S. government RV program (and hypothetical related programs) are, of course, of some relevance to the "No Bush in 2004" and "Bush/Magick/Protective Spells" threads... Of course it wouldn't be called "magick," it'd have an innocuous four-letter acronym.

I'm not much of a conspiracy-theorist, but there's plenty of room to feel twitchy...

~L
 
 
rising and revolving
00:51 / 30.03.04
A quick note - as someone who comes from a stage magic background, mentalism is generally a "trick". Even if you were an insanely proficient remote viewer, you'd be better off using conjuring on stage, as it's 100% reliable.

What I find much more likely (and more common) is that this guy is a stage magician who uses "remote viewing" as a pat answer to deal with annoying people who ask "how is it done?" Let me tell you, that is the single most annoying question any stage magician ever gets asked.

In other words - I personally belive the odds this guy is a remote viewer are ... remote. He's screwing with you.

Now, that doesn't mean you shouldn't look into RV - just don't expect to replicate the effects this illusionist performed, yah?
 
 
Frank Fress
01:30 / 30.03.04
Conjuring eh? Very interesting, could you elaborate as to what conjuring is exactly. Do you have stage experience doing the sort of things I mentioned in the above post. I would love to know how he did it(annoying question) or could you point me in a direction where I might learn that fabulous trick. I'm still looking into RV and am going to check out that pdf. manual for government RVers in training...I see myself making a future post...
 
 
rising and revolving
03:01 / 30.03.04
I've sent Felix details on how to do the "trick" he saw - but I'm not going to post the details in public (I still have some respect for the magicians saw "never tell how it's done"). It is however worth remembering that people who appear to be "performing" magic are often merely tricksters.
 
 
Frank Fress
03:30 / 30.03.04
Excellent entrippy! You know I was going over the performance in my head and your explanation seems totally plausible! Thanks for the bit of forbidden knowledge!
 
 
akira
14:17 / 12.07.04
Are there any Remote Viewers around here that would be willing to participate in an experiment? PM me and if your interested, and I'll give you the target coordinates.
 
 
macrophage
15:17 / 12.07.04
I don't know if the firedocs pdf is the same pdf that you can get from chaosgroups worldwide. I think it's like a modernisation of o.b.e's./astral projections but with using mental screens like a television or a computer screen. In my experiments you have to obtain a totalised field of relaxation. Delta/Theta - whatever you can call it. In one book I have you have to literally visualise your own neurons firing at certain parts of your brain, so you can utilise certain parts of your brain - it figures. From Remote Viewing we also come to Remote Influencing - these are all very hot potatoes. It's like a more scientific update of magick - I find alot of these psy-kids websites are promoting this stuff. The thing is if you can activate this brooh hah then you can stay quiet or whah hey become a freelancer. I don't how well the military take this though NATO must as they have a special department devoted to it. I think most people are latently psychic to different degrees. In times of DEEP mediatation I have had glimpses of strange people that vaguely seem familliar but Ive never met them them before. Strange how one could engage a psychic link like that. But as Crowley has said siddhis have to be overcome. I find mentalism, hypnotism and the study of body language very intriguing. Is the deep mind playing with probable outcomes, imaginations. etc... ? Assume nothing and everything. I haven't the time to take part in a rv experiment what are you wanting to scan?
 
 
Joetheneophyte
16:07 / 12.07.04
are tne co-ordinates important or can you just post any numbers and the 'mind' locates the desired target. I have no real experience with this but I am sure I have heard that the coordinates are not important, it is the effort that matters
 
 
Skeleton Camera
16:53 / 12.07.04
I've had many spontaneous "sightings" of people during meditation or trance-work, some of whom I explicitly knew and others who were unexplainable. There are also the more common occurrances of old, repressed memories coming up and I know a lot of "sightings" are often forgotten memories. But there have also been conversations with friends, while in a trance state, that have later come to manifestation.
 
 
Yagg
05:04 / 15.07.04
Recent issue of "Fortean Times" is all 'bout it. Haven't gotten a chance to read all of it yet, but it seems to lean in a rather debunking direction.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:38 / 15.07.04
Felix, re: the general you mention a couple of days ago, there was a pretty good C4 documentary about five or six years ago, I think they suggested the problem was that because 'Remote Viewing' fulfilled their requirements for something 'supernatural' that worked he started to believe anything 'supernatural' worked, to the point where he was fiddling with spoons and receiving intelligence briefings from two old ladies looking in a crystal ball. IIRC.
 
 
scaramouche
20:33 / 15.07.04
In 1996 I went to Fort Meade and trained with Lyn Buchanan (ex military remote viewer) in controlled remote viewing. I'd be happy to tell you anything you want to know about it. At the same time I went to a party put on and attended by Washington, DC-based members of DARPA and military intel: they had a tibetan crystal bowl, pure copper wands for opening up the energy centers, and all talk centered on psi, zero point technology, etc.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:00 / 16.07.04
Wow! Tell us more!
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
11:42 / 20.07.04
There's a book by Jim Schnabel called 'Remote Viewers' about the US army's remote viewing experiments. I can't account for its accuracy, but he's normally a reasonably solid and even fairly sceptical journalist. The way he paints the picture (as I remember it):
1. 'Remote Viewing' (or clairvoyance, or visual ESP, or whatever) is a real and scientifically inexplicable effect.
2. Anyone can do it, but some people are better at it than others. In fact, some people are really rather fantastically good at it.
3. Do it for long enough and you might go raving gullible acid-casualty bonkers. Or die.
4. Jim hints that the US discontinued experiments not because RV didn't work, but because of the amount of fantasy that babbled out along with the 'real' data. With the inherent problems of cross-checking information obtained in this manner, they simply couldn't act with confidence on any data obtained. It just wasn't reliable, which made it almost totally useless as an information gathering technique.
5. All this wasn't helped by the fact that the whole facility, having 'opened up' to the possibility of non-scientific solutions to problems, started associating with every kook and every crazy idea in the USA, from crystal readers to proponents of ETH alien abduction.

It's a long time since I read it, but that seemed to be the general drift.

However, some of the guys, particularly Pat Price and Joe McMoneagle, who were the real stars of the Stargate programme, seemed to get very good results indeed. Some of the information gathered seemed to be utterly inexplicable, but, I couldn't help feel when reading it that these were untypically superb examples; the accurate tip of an iceberg of faulty data. That's just a hunch.

Love to hear about your experiences, Scaramouche.

Orrin.

"The world is deep: deeper than day can comprehend"
 
 
Bear
12:03 / 20.07.04
there was a pretty good C4 documentary about five or six years ago

Was that the show called something like "For the love of" or maybe "The awful truth" - I'm thinking about a sort of panel show that used to be on C4 (they did a spot about conspiracies and Diana).

Anyway they did an show about remote viewing, I can remember someone asking the host to write something on a piece of paper and he would then go back and view what he wrote using time travel/remote viewing. But I don't think they ever did get back to him - probably just the same trick as above, which is quite a common (these days) trick.

I loved that show, they did a great show on time-slips.
 
 
scaramouche
16:58 / 20.07.04
"Love to hear about your experiences, Scaramouche." O.K.: I don't want to spew too much info . . . some interesting highlights IMHO:

I contacted Buchanan because I read he was consulting with the Baltimore, Maryland police re missing children, using RV--I was fascinated by it. He invited myself and a friend from Japan to learn the "protocol." Also there when we arrived were two therapists from Austin, Texas involved in biofeedback training.

Prior to coming Buchanan instructed me to create 50 or so "ideograms"--simple symbols, easily drawn, representing descriptors that he had supplied me with; and he sent me a simple computer program which would flash the descriptors quickly on the screen--I was supposed to quickly sketch the corresponding simple ideogram I had created. You would then, with some practice, get to a form of automatic writing--you automatically sketched your ideogram in response to the descriptor without thinking.

At an RV session, a facilitator would code the "target" (for training, a picture) with an alphanumeric string ("coordinate"). A monitor, who didn't know what the target was, would speak the AN string to the viewer, who would instantly write out a "complex ideogram" without thinking. Then the viewer would look into the complex ideogram and find as many of his own personal descriptor-referencing ideograms as he could, beginning to gather info on the target. (The monitor-viewer relationship is very complex, and I'll leave that out).

Then it got interesting: the viewer would gaze at the complex ideogram he had drawn, running his pen lightly over it, and begin to receive "sensories"--this could range from "impressions" of sensories (like the "idea" of the smell of burning engine oil) to actual sensory input (the actual smell of burning engine oil). At the end of the session the viewer would compile all the sensories and sketch the target.

That is a simplified overview of the process. Bottom line, it worked: I saw a blind therapist sketch out the picture of balloons in flight that constituted his target. In my best RV session, I felt and heard the salt wind, smelled the engine, and heard the engine from the Wright Brother's first flight, and sketched a reasonable facsimile of their prototype plane.

I don't practice RV anymore: it is a tremendous amount of work for the thrill of "nailing the target."

By the way, one of the physicists involved in the creation of the protocols in the 70's, Hal Puthoff, a well-known laser physicist, has been involved in the testing of monatomic gold, iridium, and rhodium/ORMUS.

By far the most stunning feature of my visit with Mr. Buchanan was the Fort Meade military intel/DARPA party I went to. No alchohol allowed, Tibetan artifacts, copper rings, copper torcs, and pure copper wands to open energy centers, talk about ZP energy, RV, teleportation at Bell Labs from a DARPA project leader (in a robe! I shit you not)--black science and the occult, and I swear to you this was years before I ever picked up the Invisibles tradepaperback! I walked in expecting grizzled Republican military types guzzling Pabst, and found a new age tinted lovein that would have done Berkely (where I hailed at the time) very proud indeed.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:18 / 20.07.04
Wow again - that leaves me kinda speechless, except to say thanks for sharing!
 
  
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