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maitre ka-fu
23:36 / 28.03.04
Human brain function is biologically predisposed for limited use...all brain function is homogeneous to all races and creed, that is why humans all share the same common usage of tools and structures.. All religions and concepts were penned by humans, there is no religion penned by gods or books of gods...the masses are robotically programmed from birth and only leave their enslavened state by leaving the physical realm. All language is programming to obey human hive structures...a swarm that is engulfing this planet and strangling it of all natural resources will eventually ensure it's ultimate destiny.

The "good" news is:

George Bush will probably be re-elected when he wheels Bin Laden out three weeks before the elections...
 
 
Zophiel
23:45 / 28.03.04
Great theory. Maybe someone should throw together a "tight code for the human brain" manual, a brief tutorial on how to hack the thought process with a minimum number of instructions. Or how about "linguistic deprogramming"?
 
 
maitre ka-fu
23:54 / 28.03.04
the net is one human linguistic brain
 
 
Aertho
00:15 / 29.03.04
You're on to something, but I think we may have heard it all before. I'm assuming you're familiar with Dawkins, Bloom, and Wilbur?

And to add some spice to this gravy:
Humans are the only genetic manifestation able to transcend and generate a new dimension of reality, the mind. That's what the Strength card's about. Everybody here's heard of that too. Humans congregate and conflict with each other obeying hive minds until we get to the end of the line...

And the Internet is the physical manifestaiton of the mind in hardworld reality. Who needs memory and independance and "personality" anymore? We all funtion as agents of the mass, and that's cool. Or at least it will be.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
02:42 / 29.03.04
Starting from the top and working down.

Limited use: is the suggestion that the brain functions are in low use/demand or that the individual brain lifespan is short?

Enslaved state: It would be more easily argued that the "Mass" is 'programmed' at the moment of conception, during convergence and growth cycle, and that language is an 'upgrade' that allows individuals to continue growth as part of the greater collective. It promotes information exchange on a faster and often more advanced level than other forms of exchange.

As far as escaping this by, shall we say, exiting stage right, I would question the thought behind this belief.

On to Chesed's thoughts, by Mind, is that Intelligence? One part memory and one part reasoning skill. Without memory, reason is inaccessible. Without reason, memory is just a string of archived senses, a mess without context.

As far the Internet, it's obviously another means of information exchange. You could call it a physical manifestation of Memory, but without Reason. Reason is brought to it by the onlooker, but never invested into the Internet directly.

Well, not yet, at least.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
03:38 / 29.03.04
...the masses are robotically programmed from birth and only leave their enslavened state by leaving the physical realm.

So presumably you're not including yourself as one of the "robotically programmed" then?
 
 
illmatic
06:10 / 29.03.04
Yeah, I find those "robotic masses" a real strain. They get under your feet, leave their droppings in the kitchen, nibble away at the lining of the fridge etc. My wife is terrified of them. If anybody's got any suggestions on how to get rid of them, please let me know. I was thinking of getting a cat, but we've not got a garden. Thoughts?
 
 
maitre ka-fu
11:36 / 29.03.04
"Dawkins, Bloom, and Wilbur"..thanks for the info, will investigate further.



"limited"...after thousands of years human brain capacity has evolved somewhat but what i am suggesting is that there is a limit to it's function(engineering). Ofcourse if all neurons fired simultaneously the brain would probably malfunction and that is why the brain is inhibited. Humans, genetically are made up of approximately 95% of the exact genetic makeup of chimpanzees. Humans are definately not the only creatures who have complex communicative systems and societal structures. Where humans differ from other species is their developement from signals to symbols.

"robotic masses" This notion purports to "consciousness" or "awake" state. You may not agree with me, but you only have to walk down a crowded street or watch some people interacting in daily life, or listen to their words and reasoning to see that alot of humanity is shut off from their true capabilities and the universe. This is why it is so easy for the media controllers/religious/ governmental agencies to control. From what i have read on this board from some this is not the case and there is a good dose of cognitive reasoning here.

"Human Survival" What is the next step? My theory is that before any great leap there has to be death...and then re-birth.
 
 
maitre ka-fu
11:43 / 29.03.04
consciousness
 
 
Seth
11:47 / 29.03.04
Yeah, who needs memory? I've always thought it was rubbish.
 
 
maitre ka-fu
11:52 / 29.03.04
You know everything already...you just don't know it yet...
 
 
Seth
12:24 / 29.03.04
So how do you know?
 
 
maitre ka-fu
12:42 / 29.03.04
nothingness
 
 
Seth
12:56 / 29.03.04
Dude. Is McToot blowing on his bagpipes again?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
03:21 / 30.03.04
From what i have read on this board from some this is not the case and there is a good dose of cognitive reasoning here.

Did you hone the skill of being, like, incredibly patronising or does it just come naturally for you?

I just don't buy this "people are zombiefied robotic masses controlled by the media" shtick - it's so "I'm a rebel, I'm gonna paint my bedroom black".
 
 
maitre ka-fu
10:44 / 30.03.04
Did you hone the skill of being an insignificant little fly over many years...flying around and sniping...bzzzzz?

If you do not like this conversation or subject matter...why not grace some other place with your "substantial" presence...?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
12:12 / 30.03.04
The masses are robotized. The key is realizing we are too. Accept that fact. Observe the patterns of our routine. Break the patterns and write ourselves new patterns. Specifically we must write the pattern of continued pattern breaking and making.

This is of course material we have talked about and been looking at for a while. In fact its pretty much straight out of RAW and Bob Shea's Illuminatus!

We must be mindful of our continued robotism. The tit for tat attack response program being a particularily prevalent one. Even here.
 
 
Aertho
12:12 / 30.03.04
well, it's the difference between talking and actually speaking. gravitas is one of the most fortright and intelligent people in the Magick forum and he has a point. Your post has fifteen replies already and there's no real argument being presented or organized.

What are you saying?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:24 / 30.03.04
I think he's trying to say:



+

 
 
maitre ka-fu
13:50 / 30.03.04
The key to this subject...is....?



Now the root of the initial conversation can be found quite simply by reading.....

Alot of people already have their cups full...their ways,their views,their reality,their focus,their vision....I am not right or wrong and have never suggested so...the sniping from some is healthy and i welcome it...

de-programming the masses would obviously result in anarchy and chaos...it is a dangerous notion to have everyone thinking and acting as individuals....

The thesis delves on momentery glimpses of evolution and understanding...what i am concerned with is the capacity of the brain and it's evolution...the engineering of synapses and neurons and the ultimate evolution to higher states of consciousness...would the brain engineering of a sumarian be the same as a new yorker ten thousand years from our present date? Will the brain in humans evolve to such a state that humans communicate all by telepathy...? Furthermore the emanationism that one feels in so called "religious" states of consciessness...the intrinsic interrelated elements of insightful knowledge and the certainty that all we percieve is real. That is why all man made religion/theory is simply a chemical reaction in the brain.


I thank you all for the conversation

mkf
 
 
Aertho
14:13 / 30.03.04
Go read Technopoly by Neil Postman, followed quickly by Ken Wilbur's Brief History of Everything, then pick up either Howard Bloom's Lucifer Principle or more Wilbur in Boomeritis. You must stop hiding behind plurality and technophobia. There IS a direction we are heading in. and it's best to start surfing the tide by accepting other brains into you head. That's what the Internet is, that's what books are, that's what communication is.

You've made your point, and I'm afraid we HAVE all heard it before.
 
 
maitre ka-fu
14:26 / 30.03.04
I can speak anywhich way i please...*robot bleep*




..and yet the delusion of reality prevails..I have not made any point...I was merely babbling incoherently with no insight or knowledge..please discount all that i have written it has all been written a thousand times before......sometimes the best book to read is....space....


THIS WAS NOT A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

mkf
 
 
_Boboss
14:32 / 30.03.04
don't read ken wilber. don't read books by anyone who puts a picture of themselves on the cover AND the spine.
 
 
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14:58 / 30.03.04
I don't really go with the view that we have to 'evolve' with all of the techniques and methods and ways or whatever, there's a chance that we have 'de-evolved' and it's just a matter of getting back to what we have already been in the past.

It's possible that all of the hive mind, zombie programming is in fact our race being totally out of harmony with it's true nature. In this case, any evolution, consciousness advancement, enlightenment is just our minds re-member-in-g.

Try to remember...............?

If i'm right some of the Druids never believed in evolution, they had the belief (or knowledge) that the human form is eternal and has always been, and this kind of reduces all our so called 'knowledge' at the present time into the equivalent of a drop in the ocean. (excuse the worn out pun)

We have people obsessing over a zombie 'economy' when our life support systems are falling to pieces, but the longer things like the internet are around and the more people that connect with each other the better, so the big 'machine' could have a safety device inside it in the form of it's ability to let us find and learn the truth that's been hidden from us for so long. You can log on to the net and as we know, you can find so many things so fast and then you can meet at places like this and let others know about it, so it's not all bad, but it depends on what information we share and how good we are at making it accessible to others surfing around the place.

Maybe we can make a resistance, or should i say connect to the resistance forces already present easier : by helping to flood the net with info that's helpful and truthful, then that production line of zombie clones might have a nice shock waiting for them : the force that it fed off, it's source, waiting to heal it and show it the way back to harmony and truth.

I'm suprised at the negative replies to this thread, there's always something to learn in this area, or something to remember.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
18:44 / 30.03.04
An us-versus-them mentality towards the 'zombified masses' is elitist, the kind of thinking that holds the idea of 'being special' over everyone else: 5 billion other lives that can be dismissed through the belief that they are not 'special'; to me, this is also the kind of thinking that makes religious leaders.

Apologies to anyone who's read these ideas elsewhere, but I'm not familiar with Dawkins, Bloom or Wilber. If the microcosm of individual consciousness is reproduced in the macrocosm of unified consciousness, then perhaps the individual and society have their analogues in the neuron and brain respectively. If so, then the information that we exchange with others is now being exchanged at a faster rate, over a greater distance and to more people. This acceleration has been made possible by the internet, amongst other technologies, which is still only available to a tiny percentage of people. Might this be analogous to the current functioning state of the brain, ie isolated centres of electrical activity determining our experience, or am I misunderstanding something?
 
 
The Fetch
21:03 / 30.03.04
According to theories relative to the Isisian Code concept, the word BRAIN would really be a code of the O (BR) and the 1 (AIN as in Ain Soph). BR highlights what could be seen as a "wait state" in that B is the profile of a pregnant woman implying that one is in a "holding pattern" or "wait state" pending BR(th). The R then is the mechanism which lies between the 1 and the O, or the O and the 1, and thus denotes a principle of movement between the two numerical concepts.

It should be noted, of course, that the 1 and the O cannot exist without the other, and this rather obvious truth is something that too much of the Occult ignores with its focus on the "1, 1, 1"

To add further, the word BRAIN is a simply anagram for BINAR, and from which the Hebrew priests, knowing and having userped the Isisian Code in the past, gave to themselves the name of RABBI. RABBI, composed of B's and R's in the design, intimates O and teaches 1, denying O all the while. Further, it is MISSING HALF, or the N = 14. You can use any series of analysis to return Rabbi to the Number O. I use the Isisian Codes because they are quick and easy (for me).

R and B are both 2
A and I are both 1

2+1+2+2+1 = 8 = HX = Sum of 1:8 = 36 = 6 "squared figure = HeXaGON.

Just getting warmed up..so I will cease the presentation before it confounds.

The Fetch
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
23:46 / 30.03.04
This is going to be quite disjointed, but, then again, what have I posted here that hasn't been?

maitre: If you want to break it down and skip over everything else, shall we just agree that everything is just chemical and electrical reactions of the body and brain? All our rebellion, all their stasis. These ridiculous thoughts, this poignant post, that Sausage and Egg McMuffin that's tempting me to devour it. All part of the Individual Process, all part of the great coalition of cells that is the process me.

And we've already created a base form of telepathy. We just call them telephones. Control over evolution is the first thing an intelligence seeks to accomplish, innit?

Zen: You'd think that a proper hive mind or mass zombification would result in a society being perfectly in harmony, wouldn't you, Zen? Unless you meant in harmony with something else. The ever-present "something else" that is either over the horizon or over our shoulders, depending on who you ask.

As far as the Druids not believing in evolution, I'd have to imagine that most groups that existed prior to the "invention" of the very idea didn't believe in it. Could you unpack that thought a bit more? By eternal, is this in a linear sense (alpha to omega) or the greater "everything-exists-always" (alpha to alpha) sense?

Carnaby: Think of it as a developing brain, all the tender bits sliming together, the little brains that used to function alone being eaten up, their cells being transformed into bits of the larger brain "Internationale". These cells can communicate, but they communicate extremely slowly for the most part. Some cells are dedicated to development functions, some cells are dedicated to sustenance functions, some cells are dedicated to... Well, I could go on, but, rambling.

Cells that communicate faster than others form the nexus of the big brain. They then extend their increasing grasp outwards and pull everything that was once apart... in. Slowly but surely all the nasty advances are foisted onto the new cells, and, even slower but surer, the new cells are amalgamated into the big brain.

Could I have made any less sense?
 
 
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00:41 / 31.03.04
An us-versus-them mentality towards the 'zombified masses' is elitist, the kind of thinking that holds the idea of 'being special' over everyone else: 5 billion other lives that can be dismissed through the belief that they are not 'special'; to me, this is also the kind of thinking that makes religious leaders.

Whatever's elitist should be thrown out in favour of the obviousness that everyone's equal. As for the zombie programming and stuff, i don't know i've been into fictionary worlds too much to seperate them at the moment i think.

You'd think that a proper hive mind or mass zombification would result in a society being perfectly in harmony, wouldn't you, Zen? Unless you meant in harmony with something else. The ever-present "something else" that is either over the horizon or over our shoulders, depending on who you ask.

A hive mind/zombie or whatever thing, ha these terms are insane, would cut everyone off from the energies they need to live properly so i don't think it can be done past a certain point because we wouldn't put up with it. The Druid thing i'll have to search for because i only read it once in a book at the library. I don't have a clue what eternal could be, maybe if i tried crossing the abyss............i'd realize i was out of my depth.
 
 
akira
19:48 / 31.03.04
You can always tell theres a good thread going on when The Fetch gets his set square and ruler out. More!
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
07:11 / 01.04.04
More? I... uh... brains are good... they live in your head, they are squishy and grey. Without a brain, you would be dead, so start yelling Hip-Hip-Horray.

This thread appears to have lost steam, akira. If we go back to the base abstract, we were discussing human brains and the specifics of what they are programmed to do. Preferably thinking in terms of a mystical context, as opposed to be a purely scientific context, given that this is the forum for such postings.

Perhaps a cleaner starting point might be in order.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:25 / 01.04.04
THIS WAS NOT A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

erm... I'm afraid it was.
 
 
Lionheart
13:30 / 01.04.04
I have a big problem with the following quote:

all brain function is homogeneous to all races and creed, that is why humans all share the same common usage of tools and structures..

Uhm... maybe they share similar tools because they had similar needs? Also, in how many ways can you design a nail? I mean just because different cultures have nails doesn't mean that us humans are genetically programmed to create nails in that one way. No, nails are designed the way they are because that's the only way nails can be (cause otherwise they won't work.)

Also, humans share similar structures? That's a pretty big assumption. What similarities do you see between structures in ancient cultures?
 
 
The Fetch
21:56 / 01.04.04
If the point is that of BRAINS, my point is first to establish the esoterics of the word. Just as "GROIN" really is saying "Grow In", Brain, too, has an esoteric significance, and this significance is that it is nothing less than BINAR and hence BINARY.

From an esoteric point of view, therefore, (and this is for the Isisian fans out there), the issue then becomes reducing the word to a series of allegorical analysis which should provide "esoteric", "occult", or "hidden" insights" from which one can "philosophise" with and through this focused meditation, arrive at, hopefully, a revelation of what is "euphemistically" called "truth".

The initial analysis of BRAIN has been tendered, comprising of an O (BR=WAIT STATE) and a 1 (AIN = ONE). This would intimate a "channel link", energetically speaking, between AIN and AIN SOPH.

What is BR then is outside of Ain Soph and is a seperate entity as it precedes AIN (REF:BR(AIN).

When we spin the Letters of BRAIN to arrive at its meaning of BINAR, we then hint at the Computer, or "inherent logic" that is set into the BRAIN "circuits", which have been defined as "electrons and neurons". What is needed, then, is a definition for EXACTLY what is encoded into the Letters NAR. This can easily be done by channeling the Letters while setting them into their own "logic sets".

For instance, Isisian Coding teaches to view words from the Center OUT to distinguish IF there is a potential "esoteric significance" or "absolute truth". In the case of the Word SOLSTICE, we divide the word into its components of

SOL'S = Summer Soltice
T = Marking point of Sun at Noon Zenith
ICE = Winter Solstice

By then linking the "Solstice" to the "number 22", while setting this "number" to a 26 alpha sequence (we believe that this is exactly how the Ancients did their coding BEFORE the ascent of mankind), then by placing this SYMBOL at the 7 Letter on OPPOSITES SIDES of the Middle, and as the Pattern of this Earth is MORE CREATED THAN RANDOM, this shows that "The Word" is 22/7 = 3.1428571.

This hints back at Pi, or the 1 and the O.

In the Occult, we are more (presuming here) interested in "observing that which is hidden and making such known". In the case of the word SYMBOL, you have another clue...reverse the word to form LOB MYS. This itimates both LOBE (as in the Brain's Lobes), and MYS (MYSTERY/MYSTIFICATION).

Is any of this making sense?

I will cut it short and throw out an observation in the inner workings of the MIND.

M is a SYMBOL for "the Sun". It represents Light in a Vacuum. W represent "the principle of refraction and diffusion". The "rays of light in vacuum", M, shall refract upon hitting an atmosphere, W.

Through the rather "scientific" observation, we can deduce that "life" is clearly a product of M and W.

LIGHT!

What many of you are perhaps not familiar with is that English acts very much like a "TORAT", or a congruous "sea of letters" that builds upon itself based on mathematical and archetyical fusions. The process of "representing" this idea is the "game of Wordsearch", where you have a "sea of Letters". The Letters represent Chaos, while the "hidden words, either forward or backward, diagonal or horizontal" represent "Order".

Since the BRAIN represents a "terrestial manifestation" of Pi, or a BINARY code created by a Binary "God/Dess".

This is what I channeled when working with this concept:

The idea of the Sun as a feminine energy was well known in the Ancient testaments. M is the SUN. A "removal from the SUN" represents a "reversal", KLM = MLK = MILK. If one is "removed from the Sun", the result under the current electrical field we live in is "Death".

You then cannot seperate the Letters KLM (Kill Them) and MILK, intimating a nurturing. Life and death go hand in hand.

Further, since M will refract when it hits the AT MOST SPHERE, or the Atmosphere, W and M are "wed". M is 13, W is 23. 13+23 = 36 = The Sacred Number of Isis, whose sum (Secret Number)is 666.

First, then, comes the "reverse" of MW (as KLM = MLK), so too does the Letter Order of MW reverse to form WM, intimating a "removal from" the Sun. The Letters WM are given "coloring" by the inclusion of "any of the Gods", which you know as a Vowel (Vow).

WM = WOM(B)MAN, or WOMAN.

(NOTE: You can color WOMB by removing the Sun (M) and giving O its value of E to create a WEB).

What this is hinting at is that what is "above" Ain Soph (Soph is really 2 as in Sophomore) must be what is known in simple coding as a O. Ain Soph is really 1, 2. Hence "the woman" is that which is to be sought for, in that the O is really the "All".

That BRAIN is BINAR is BI NA R hints in my opinion at a channel of WMBRAIN, or the word MEMBRANE.

All of this hints further at an idea of a code truly being smashed and then "put together again" yet with some pieces of the puzzle removed so that the whole remains difficult to ascertain. This would become the Craft of "Religion", yet all along there was a known commodity that remained hidden and kept within the Elite, a code set into Geometry and Gematria and Letters.

A further insight is in the dynamics of the Letters themselves. Contrary to accepted norms, the Letters themselves are as an elemental. Rather than working with Fire, Earth, Water, or Air, the fifth Elemental is called Aethyr, which is given the name of NEPTHYS.

NEPTHYS = NEP THYS = PEN THIS

Equally, NEPT(HYS) morphs into NEPT(UNE), denoting a "land below the waves", which is really an overt code to Life on Earth, wherein we live in a Sea of Oxygen.

If nothing else, try to imagine this: Each Letter has a life and a will of its own and will manifest in patterns which it is able to survive within. However, if Nature deems that the Letter is out of Balance, it is removed, modified, etc, until such a time as Nature perfects the Letter.

The Method that Nature (O) uses to effect this is that of LOGIC AND REASON, which then leads you back to the BRAIN by implication. Each Letter of this Langauge has been honed and perfected to a point that it now reflects a harmony and inherent knowledge that has fused it to Universal Life Currents.

The Brain is electrical.

ELECTRONICS.

ELECT RO N ICS = Elect Ra (Osiris) and Isis, not Typhonian systems of thought. Each Letter carries with it a mathematical series of values, allegorical series of values, and geometric series of values. This phenomena is what the Masons referred to as "hyper-physics" for which no amount of traditional Academic training can afford a soul to comprehend.

Thanks for the original post..this was a fun set of channels that I had simply not thought of before.

The Fetch
 
  
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