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Constructive criticism ... pretty please

 
 
Styx
19:14 / 21.03.04
I write poetry now and again, probably because my day job is so incredibly boring. I would like to know if it's any good. I would like to know what you think. If you think it's absolute bollocks that's fine as well, constructive bollocks would be good though.

Here it is.

MADRID

On your way to work
Like every day
Early, dozing, rhythm rocking you to sleep
Reading books or magazines
Staring at nothing
Staring at the beautiful girl who just stepped on from platform three
Safe in this haven of modern democracy that is now Madrid

To be catapulted in to mindless violence and atrocity
Suddenly
In this haven of civilisation

Sounds, smells, flesh and screams
I can see it all
See the metal torn to bits
See the colours and the heat
See the horror, see you bleed
Hear the moans
Wide eyed, lost, confused, shaken beyond belief
The foundation of your lives rocked to the core
In this haven of civilisation
I cry with you Madrid

Will it be London next
I ask myself
Early, dozing, rhythm rocking me to sleep
Reading books or magazines
Staring at nothing
Staring at the beautiful boy that just stepped on from platform three …
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:49 / 22.03.04
This would be better off in Creation so I'm moving for it to be shifted - PM me if you have any concerns...
 
 
misterpc
12:00 / 22.03.04
thoughts...

1. Structure. I always like poems that are book-ended with repeated verses. Here you need to bring more focus on that, make it a bit more obvious - and also to ask why you're doing it. To emphasise the monotony? To bring attention to the fact that, so soon after the blast, everything is back the same way? To draw on your own feelings of ennui?

2. Theme. Following on from that, what are you writing about? Is this about the pain of the people of Madrid? Is this about your fears that these could be your friends and family suffering in London? Is it about your own feelings of vulnerability? It can be about any and all of these, but I didn't get a strong feeling from it, and I think that's the most important element in a poem - it has to mainline the soul.

3. Rhythm. Read out your poetry to yourself. Poetry is about the rhythm of language, so if it sounds awkward when you read it, that's probably a bad thing. I'm not saying this poem sounds awkward, but read it out to yourself and see how you think it feels. It might change the way you write.

4. Keep writing poetry! It's the only way to improve. In the end, it's for you, not for anybody else. After 15 years of rejection slips (and a few acceptance slips) that's the only real piece of advice I can give...
 
 
Styx
11:40 / 24.03.04
Thanks misterpc! I will keep trying.
 
 
at the scarwash
12:15 / 29.03.04
Something that I find absolutely riviting in poems like this, that start off with daily, mundane life and lurch into something absolutely hammeringly different, is the scattering of hard details.

In one of my favorite poems, Frank O'Hara uses this approach devastatingly. The sprinkling of dates, times, locations, brand names, authors, and publications in the first three stanzas creates a lulling sense of an aimless day off, making the kick in the gut that is the last stanza all the more effective. We all know she's dead, we weren't alive (for the most part) to be that breathlessly affected by her passing, but O'Hara makes us feel it in that last line break.

The Day Lady Died
FRANK O’HARA

It is 12:20 in New York a Friday
three days after Bastille day, yes
it is 1959 and I go get a shoeshine
because I will get off the 4:19 in Easthampton
at 7:15 and then go straight to dinner
and I don’t know the people who will feed me

I walk up the muggy street beginning to sun
and have a hamburger and a malted and buy
an ugly NEW WORLD WRITING to see what the poets
in Ghana are doing these days
in Ghana are doing these days I go on to the bank
and Miss Stillwagon (first name Linda I once heard)
doesn’t even look up my balance for once in her life
and in the GOLDEN GRIFFIN I get a little Verlaine
for Patsy with drawings by Bonnard although I do
think of Hesiod, trans. Richmond Lattimore or
Brendan Behan’s new play or Le Balcon or Les Nègres
of Genet, but I don’t, I stick with Verlaine
after practically going to sleep with quandariness

and for Mike I just stroll into the PARK LANE
Liquor Store and ask for a bottle of Strega and
then I go back where I came from to 6th Avenue
and the tobacconist in the Ziegfeld Theatre and
casually ask for a carton of Gauloises and a carton
of Picayunes, and a NEW YORK POST with her face on it

and I am sweating a lot by now and thinking of
leaning on the john door in the 5 SPOT
while she whispered a song along the keyboard
to Mal Waldron and everyone and I stopped breathing



I think your first stanza is too short. I think this poem would be a bit more affecting if we were a bit more enveloped in a sense of soft early morning befuddlement.

On your way to work
Like every day
Early, dozing, rhythm rocking you to sleep
Reading books or magazines
Staring at nothing


This is a great start. the third line has a lovely rhythm, although I think that the word choice could be a bit tighter. "rocking you to sleep" is a stock phrase here. Although you could make a case that the unchallenging nature of a stock phrase increases the lazy feel of the line, I just find my brain tripping over it, "stock phrase, got it, check."

Reading books or magazines
Staring at nothing


I love these lines, and I wouldn't change them. The remind me of the minimal, impressionistic feel of an early Wire lyric.

Second-third stanzas: I think that you need to focus a bit more on who the "you" is. I understand that we're being given a second-person everySpaniard that expands into everyone affected by this monstrous event in the third stanza, but the jump could be softer. Imagine your anonymous, slightly generic "you" expanding outward to encompass the city in a cloud of detail and language, becoming clearer and broader line by line until it overwhelms the reader. Use station names. Give us clear images. I'm not trying to be ghoulish, but concrete details act as mental paperweights that hold the flow of a poem open against a reader's breezy shortterm memory.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the writing of the poem is evidence enough that you feel for Madrid. The poem's sentiment is clear without you telling us. Imagine that this is about the Lisbon earthquake of 1755, or the destruction of Pompeii, or some other disaster that you feel historically distant from. Keep your head above your heart and really look at what you're writing. If we're given the details of a tragic event in such a sympathetic manner, with such evident sorrow and empathy in the fabric of the poem, the author has no need to pop in and tell us that ze really does feel this. It's kind of like a cheesy loverman R&B singer coming in at the end of a verse and randomly saying "'Cuz I love ya, girl" when we already know that, because the song is called "How much I love you baby"

It may be a quibble on my part, but "haven of civilisation" sounds like the subtitle of a tourist brouchure.

Another quibble: why is Madrid a haven of democracy "now" (7)?

Bringing it back to you in the last stanza works well. However, I wonder if you have to "ask yourself?" The mirroring of lines from the first stanza brings that question up quite easily without any effort on the first-person speaker in the poem. In fact, I think it might be more powerful without you asking anything.

Overall, I think it's quite a good first draft, with a lot of promise. If I've come off as harsh or flippant, I apologize. I've just gotten off a 12 hour graveyard shift, and the brain needs oil.
 
 
Styx
13:21 / 30.03.04
Hello "Well enough alone". I am amazed that you (and MisterPC for that matter) took so much time and effort to reply. I feel quite honored! Both comments have been constructive and have made me think about the way I write which I have never done before. It just "pours" out without any conscious effort. I will rewrite Madrid using your comments. It will interesting to see how it ends up. Many thanks to you both.
 
  
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