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Future Self Downloads

 
 
Tamayyurt
04:04 / 19.03.04
Okay, this is something I had thought about for a long time but it wasn’t until Zen Memetic’s Future Fiction Download thread and Chesed’s comments over in the New X Men 154 thread that I decided to post it. Eventually in the future we will exit space-time, either when and if we enter the Supercontext in 2012 (as the prevailing mythology here leads us to believe) or upon our death (hopefully farther down the road). We will shed our current fictionsuits and we will exit space-time. So do you think it’s possible to contact your future/higher self, this 5D you floating around in the Supercontext, and receive downloads?
 
 
LVX23
04:13 / 19.03.04
Ah, I was just thinking about this last night. Particularly with respect to DMT. One of the most profound features of the experience, and one very common to just about everyone who has a large enough dose, is the very real feeling of meeting hyperdimensional entities, McKenna's "self-transforming machine elves". I was speculating that perhaps these entities are future versions of our selves popping in from hyperspace to harass us about not getting it yet.

On a different note, some have suggested that the Holy Guardian Angel is our perfected future self.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:33 / 19.03.04
Have you come across all the Ma'at Aeon stuff as expounded by the wacky Horus-Maat Lodge, who, since the late 1970s, have been allegedly communicating with the future:

One of the core concepts of Maatian magick is N'Aton, the collective and awakened consciousness of future humanity. Ultimately this may be said to include the ancestral dead in the past, all of the living, and our unborn descendents to come. We may perhaps step free from time and exist in this eternal moment, for we all carry the seeds of N'Aton within us. For many of us the HGA has been seen as an embryonic or fully realized form of N'Aton, a realization that tends to accelerate the process.

Read all about it in the HML FAQ

And The Feast of the Hiva - Nema's envisioning of the future Hive-mind .
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:41 / 19.03.04
There's also this weirdness about contacting different facets of the self in different universes, or something.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:32 / 19.03.04
This seems to connect up quite easily with the perrenial time tree theory doesn't it. Reality perceived as one solid organic object when perceived from a position outside of time. According to that model, conversing with future versions shouldn't be any more implausible than chatting the ancestors or atavistic resurgence. I find this a lot easier to swallow than this business of "exiting space time into the supercontext", which until any of us have personally been abducted by 5D beings and shown the literal reality of, should probably be taken with as much of a grain of salt as the Chirstian fundamentalist 'left behind' narratives. I'm not sure how valuable that sort of millenial utopianism actually is, even if it were true, I think it tends to foster a non-productive relationship with the here and now. I'm a lot more interested in the time tree model where we are just a single growing and evolving organism, with no dependancy on aliens or magic pixies turning up further down the line with sweets if we do well for ourselves.
 
 
Z. deScathach
11:40 / 19.03.04
The one question that I guess I would have with this, particularly in relation to Absence's thread is: If we are projecting into a future and downloading from that, wouldn't that future be one of a limitless number of possible futures, and as such, almost useless in terms of prophecy?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:41 / 19.03.04
...aliens or magic pixies turning up further down the line with sweets if we do well for ourselves.

Presumably if we don't do well, they'll turn up with the rectal probes?
 
 
Tamayyurt
11:52 / 19.03.04
Thanks for the links, absence of gravitas.

I have heard, and believe, that the HGA is a higher version of the self, and I have been working with it lately on that front. Also, I was thinking about the Buddhist idea that we will eventually, after a large number of reincarnations, becomes Buddhas and enter Nirvana (which exist outside of space-time as well.) So it’ll be a bit like getting in touch with our Buddha-nature, only as a separate entity in order to have a dialogue with it.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
16:10 / 19.03.04
Yeah, I quite like the idea of the HGA as your future self making contact through the time tree. It suggests interesting possibilities for retroactive sorcery. You could do a series of workings to send help to yourself at various crisis points in your past, lending your previous self a helping hand when you remember really needing it, and trying to make this kind of thing a habitual practice, so you set up a feedback loop kind of thing. Cos presumably if you keep up this practice along into the future, you'll be able to access it yourself in the present. If that makes any sense?
 
 
cusm
18:01 / 19.03.04
I occasionally toy with the practice of barking warnings back to myself after I've done something important to reinforce the ability of my future self to warn my past self of things. Like, "careful there, the walk is slippery". Theory being, if I do it enough, my present self will be able to start hearing my future self barking back, and take advantage of it.
 
 
sine
15:17 / 20.03.04
So it’ll be a bit like getting in touch with our Buddha-nature, only as a separate entity in order to have a dialogue with it.

Hmm...seeking the knowledge and conversation of your holy guardian...umm...self?
 
 
Aertho
18:59 / 20.03.04
Whoah. This thread seems all over the place here. REALLY interesting ideas, though.

I can't even begin to address everybody's suppositons, or rangle and give direction to where this conversation is heading, so I'll address Imp's original questions with my personal beliefs and ideas on the subject.

So let's see.
Let us suppose that we DO enter the supercontext in Decmber 8 years from now. According to the prevailing mythology, we'll have reached critical conceptual mass and explode with the rest of the universe. At which point, we'll all be God -unified and indistinguishable from that which might have just been a tree or an asteroid, much less indistinguishable from each other. So, the question is whether you'll be able, once you've been super-absorbed, to go back over the curve of time and contact yourself when you're still inside of the universe-in-construction?

Nope. The whole point of the supercontext is the unification and annihilation of self, other, space, and time. There's no concievebale way that "you"(as an individuated self) would survive the super-absorbtion in order to contact yourself in "point W" from "point ALPHABET".

Now, the clever ones will imagine that the supercontext's "unification" is actually the way out of that discourse and law of physic. Yes, potentially, the unified self/other/space/time may be able to percieve time and move and shake the bottle that held you in point W, but then it's not "you", it's "us-all". But I don't necessarily think that contacting its microscoping is important to the "us-all" entity.

What could be possible, and this is important to us magicians, is that we might be able to percieve the "us-all" entity from INSIDE time. Seeing as how "mind" could be dimension 5, it's a simple matter of mediation and breathing to shed individuation and crack higher levels of understanding.

Seeing all of time through tarot card succession helps. You begin to see patterns in the deveopment of complexity... and realize that the universe may be GOD'S way of transforming into an idea. Hence, the "us-all" mind entity of the supercontext.

Now, let's assume that we DO contact something during meditation, and we process it as communicating or percieving our Holy Guardian Angel. I'm gonna Dr. Phil it and jump to the conclusion. It's the dimension 5 portion of your mind cracking time and percieving the "us-all-IN-time" reflected back through your individuated senses. Since you're an individual mind, it's kind of like the Square who encounters the Sphere in flatland. The Square thinks it's a circle. You think the HGA is another individual entity because you are. What's the HGA event say? Nothing you don't already know, deep down.

I don't know if I'm making any sense, but I want to frighten some people a bit. I'm terrified of 2013.

Let's assume for a moment that I'm right, and the universe IS God's way of transforminig into an idea. Now, that sounds really cool until you realize that we're just the egg, or the chrysalis.

Look back through the cards for a moment. Step one, we get the big bang and the first iterations of the fantastic four: gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. Taken together, the universe is formed of interactive and globular "codes" of these quantum forces. The codes develop into atomic parts, then molecules, then actual planets... where the real fun begins.

The combinations of quantum codes continue until the fantastic four become reiterrated into a new form, life. In the right conditions, certain molecules replicate and generate themselves into organic lifeforms. The four become cytosine, guanine, adenine, and thymine, and the quantum forces that maintained the rest of universe sit on the sidelines while life take center stage.

The planet of quantum codes is covered by organic coded lifeforms until the right organism is developed to reitterate the next set of the fantastic four. That's right, humans. Now the codes are memetic, purely conceptual and made of volition, compassion, analysis, and manifestation. Organic code steps to the side to join quantum code while memetic code wildly reproduces itself over the face of its environment.

Now, at each step, SOME, not ALL, of the previous codes are used in the formation of the next stage of growth. Let's assume that hen the ball drops and God wakes up in December 2012, SOME, not ALL memetic codes will be used to create the divine. Some people just blink dead. The monks of Tibet are gone. Religious leaders and brilliant minds are either dead or have parts of their brains dissolved. And with God born, and the cocoon it grew in discarded and still experiencing time, what's the meaning of continued existence? If the rest of the memetic codes step aside to join organic and quantum code, what happens to the rest of us?

If anybody was reading NXM, THAT was Sublime's motivation. He was the personification of organic code, desperately trying to stave off the growth of the divine code by keeping organic code and memetic code in stasis.
 
 
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19:11 / 20.03.04
If the rest of the memetic codes step aside to join organic and quantum code, what happens to the rest of us?

The way i'm seeing it, we all get through as seperate peices of awareness. The inner essence of each and every one of us gets through, but the layers upon layers of useless personality get discarded.

In other words, you'll survive, but the parts of your personality that aren't directed to the aims of the one being get left behind.

I couldn't really give a damn at the moment, floating around as one being sounds boring anyway, but i don't have a clue so...........i just don't know, and won't pretend that i can grasp this. It seems fucked up to me.
 
 
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19:15 / 20.03.04
Hopefully something out there can enlighten me to this idea and i'll change my mind and think that it seems and sounds great.
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:36 / 20.03.04
If the rest of the memetic codes step aside to join organic and quantum code, what happens to the rest of us?

The way i'm seeing it, we all get through as seperate peices of awareness. The inner essence of each and every one of us gets through, but the layers upon layers of useless personality get discarded.

Yeah, I totally get what you're saying Chesed... it's going to be horrible but I tend to think like Zen here... It's not like the Baby God is going to use all of the Buddhist Monks and a third of the rest of us and that's it... I think it's going to use something from everyone. That small chunk will then make up the new jigsaw entity called US-ALL. The rest, our personalities, will be shed like so much candy wrapper. But it won't matter cause there won't be any broken people walking about afterward (like Appolyon) without the chocolaty goodness the wrappers will fall dead. The only thing left of the organic code will be animals, probably lower animals.

But really I have no way of proving this so we'll see in 8 years.

But yeah, maybe there will be no point of this US-ALL creature contacting us.
 
 
Aertho
19:39 / 20.03.04
I REALLY wouldn't want to be alive and going through life without God's birth being the product of my actions. I REALLY wouldn't want to be alive in a universe without the inherent aims of the "us-all" that thread the Kosmos. What's the point?

By your rationale, if WE don't want to work together to build something, why would our cells? we'd break down into masses of jelly, and then our quantum particles would probably stop working together too. Gray guck.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
19:49 / 20.03.04
But what would this transformation, from multiple-personalitied entities to core selves unbound, be? If it's anything like shedding personality layers now, that's a massive psychic trauma to occur all at once. That, however, could be the trick - birth, emergence blind and raw into something wholly new.
The pleasure <--> pain quotient here may well be invalid. The very few mystical experiences I've had so far are, not surprisingly (and eerily like sex) a cocktail of both until they're indivisible or negated. That's an old idea. So massive psychic hemmoraghing of the placenta or lining of ourselves, the fuel that cushions our Selves...

And it doesn't seem likely to be confrontation between organism and meme. Yet, as discussed lately in laboratory, there is the massive dieback scenario for mankind in the cards somewhere...maybe that's the jumpoff point, which really sounds Fundamentalist-apocalyptic now that I write it out. Everyone jumps into higher-meme-ness leaving husks behind and the Earth churns on and on...hmmm...I don't think I buy that.
 
 
Aertho
19:54 / 20.03.04
Which is why I hope The ENTIRE KOSMOS is used to make Baby God.
 
 
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20:23 / 20.03.04
Well we'll drive ourselves totally and completely insane if we carry on like this. According to Buddhism (which i know, could just be some words in sutras, but it could also be right) we can't actually work this out, we can only realize this, so if that's true all we can do is work towards the download, realization of the truth. The rational mind can't work it out. Ever. But the intuitive mind can realize it.

That totally sucks, but maybe it's the truth.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
21:50 / 20.03.04
Agreed, ZM, but that doesn't suck. It sucks from our personality-onion perspectives, among a hundred gibbering fractals all straining in their own directions. From the intuitive Buddha-mind it makes sense - or rather, it just makes. Period.
That's speaking of course from within the former, not the latter, but with recognition (and maybe slight memory?) of the latter.

And Chesed's right, at least in my book - it's the whole kosmos, not just the most shiny parts. If everything does exist in holons, why would steps into Godhead be any different?
 
 
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22:42 / 20.03.04
Yeah, maybe i should get meditating again and see if i can get any closer to that intuitive mind.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
23:52 / 20.03.04
Let's start at the beginning. Again.

For convenience, I will assume that God is the Universe, projected back into itself through time and space. God as the creative force behind the Universe as we experience it now and the final product of the Universe joining into itself.

I Am.

For convenience, I will assume that God since God is the Universe, this God is Everything from our perspective. It is the plant you water daily, it is your pet cat that died, it is you, it is me.

God-Universe as the creation of itself.

If I accept these two previous points, we can further postulate that since God-Universe may exist ouside of time, this creative process is complete. By virtue of our existing in time, what we are experiencing is the creative process, as it happened, as it is happening, as it always will happen.

I'll now skip back to our beginning, as cells in the Great Body God/Universe, the muck of origin. Chemicals bubbled and broiled, rocks smashed into Earth, magma flowed in the open. The first life came into being at some point, for whatever unknown reason, and it thrived. It evolved, it split off into seperate types. Earth itself evolved, the life on Earth made it evolve, outside cosmic forces made it evolve, internal forces made it evolve. The atmosphere was poisoned, the majority of life was wiped out a few times, life became more complicated and it eventually created what we call Human Intelligences (that's us).

Human Intelligences begin to direct the course of planetary evolution. It is slow by limited cellular standards, it is fast by evolutionary standards.

Now, Human Intelligences. That's a visualisation exercise. Thousands then millions and then billions of voices yelling, at the top of our lungs, that we are Individual. We're all Individual Processes, carrying out our agendas. Whether these agendas are predetermined or the product of free will, it's largely irrelevant from our perspective. What's important is that we are Individual Processes with fairly slow Information Exchange.

Information Exchange is the cornerstone of the evolution of the Human Intelligences. It is what, in theory, drives the Human Intelligences to evolve to the point where it becomes Human Intelligence. We'll call this a hive mind, the much loathed and feared conception. Information Exchange at the point where thoughts are shared instantly and internal consensus between Individual Processes can be reached with just as much ease.

Human Intelligence is not the end. Human Intelligence may never be reached, it may be irrelevant in the context of the larger God/Universe creation. Earth and the Human Intelligence/s it produced may just be a virus in the Great Body God/Universe that is going to be scrubbed out.

What I'm trying to say is that... I do go on and I've completely forgotten the topic abstract.
 
 
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00:44 / 21.03.04
HAHA! Classic.
 
 
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00:45 / 21.03.04
You built it up so well too, i thought you was leading to something amazing there.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
04:30 / 22.03.04
Bites your arse, don't it?

OK. Having acquainted myself with the topic abstract, I may safely continue without fear.

Contact to/from the Future: Following my initial premise, this is affirmative. Information Exchange across time, both backwards and forwards, is necessary to the creation of God-Universe.

As to whether I can do it or you can do it, I don't know. If you believe you can, have at you. Whether it is accepted as solid reality or fevered imagination, that's inconsequential. Have at you and if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.

That's a Sheryl Crow song, innit? I need to close on something else. Of course! Iron Maiden! What else?

"There's a time to live and a time to die!
When it's time to meet the maker
There's a time to live but isn't it strange
That as soon as you're born you're dying...
And reborn again?"
 
  
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