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H3ct0r L1m4
16:45 / 18.03.04
just read SHE-HULK #1. it's good, I might say fun and clever sometimes. nice dialogue. not fake-realistic like in a lot of other books. it's even sexy, in a way [you have to be when dealing with Jennifer Walters]. but it's ALLY MCBEAL in the Avengers Mansion. so the final impression is "eh...".

it's been a while this is going on in mainstream comics, so we may even see it as a trend. new [and others not so new] writers put on Marvel and DC books only aspire to write limited budget movies on paper or - even worse - tv series, a sitcom. that's so unambitious. it's worse than the recent "military industrial fiction" trend Morrison talks about in substitution of the "grim and gritty street crime drama" of the 80's.

you can pitch "IRON MAN as WEST WING with superheroes" or "ATONISHING X-MEN as BUFFY with mutants" for an editor or the ollywood producer but if you deliver exactly that for the reader you most certainly wasted a lot of potential.

Dumb suits usually mistake "imaginative" or "creative" for "cosmic". you don't have to go cosmic for nice visuals, creative plots, imaginative, stunning visuals. you can dilute [or "decompress"] the narrative all you like for cinematic/manga efect, to the point you'll be left with a thin plot, lots of pages in which nothing happens. you can cram a lot of of stuff in 22 pages if you think you'll be cancelled by next month and have to give readers something for their money [or you simply have a very active mind]. but why do all those writers to it in such unimaginative way? did they watch too much TV? too much bad movies?

it's not only at Marvel and DC, but it's happening with all fiction, namely with action/superhero themes.

there's this Harvey Pekar line that goes "Comics are only words and pictures; with words and pictures you can do anything". so why be a movie or a goddamn tv show on paper when you can have an infinite "budget" and be just a *comic* that can show anything your mind comes up to?

I'm bored.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:54 / 18.03.04
"IRON MAN as WEST WING with superheroes"

Man, I'd love to read this. Does it actually exist? Although, I suspect that Bendis' Avengers is going to be exactly that.

Often times, though, most projects outgrow their pitchline. In any medium, you need a pitchline to get it made (unless you self-publish it, but even then you need a pitchline for interviews and promotion). This is "Blank" meets "Blank". I mean, every story (every story) is "One Of The Only Six Stories Ever Written" meets "One Of The Other Ones". If a project fails to go beyond its pitchline, then, definitely, its garbage. But these sorts of arbitrary combinations often end up as very compelling works.

I myself would love to write a S.H.I.E.L.D. meets West Wing series. That's the base ambition, but saying that its destined for blandness because of its "low" roots seems a bit off base.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:59 / 18.03.04
Actually, I just read the article about "Iron Man's" "New" "Direction" and, yeah, it smacks of fatuous garbage. Unfortunately it's not "West Wing" in terms of "Contains gripping emotional character studies and astoundingly well-written dialogue", but instead "Takes place in the White House". Gar. Bage.

But, if someone, say, me, wanted to take what makes the West Wing work; three-dimensional characters involved in highest possible stakes drama with astoundingly well-written dialogue; and do that with S.H.I.E.L.D., having Nick Fury as the head, Dugan as Leo McGarry, etcetera, etcetera and really get into the nuts and bolts of what it means to maintain federal security in the Marvel Universe, well, what could possibly be wrong with that? If it's done well. By me.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
08:13 / 20.03.04
New [and others not so new] writers put on Marvel and DC books only aspire to write limited budget movies on paper or - even worse - tv series, a sitcom.

Considering the people working on comics nowadays...

... Bob Gale (Back To The Future) David S Goyer (Blade) Josh Whedon (Buffy) Kevin Smith (Mallrats) Jeph Loeb (a list of horrible screenplays produced, but still...) apparently Bryan Singer will be writing Ultimate X-Men.

And let's not forget every two-bit writer who's using the comic medium as a garbage disposal for their rejected movie pitches... Steve Niles' 30 Days Of Night was originally a movie screenplay that no one picked up... Midnight, Mass. was supposed to be a tv series until it became a Vertigo mini, etc...

It's obvious what's going on: these writers use the industry as a quick way to put their ideas out so they can return to Hollywood with some credibility... 'Look, my vampire story got published! can you turn it into a movie now?'
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:44 / 20.03.04
didn't think about it that way, deus. good point.

I don't know if the writers you mentioned started it, but surely helped plant the seed in their followers. I hope a next generation of writers with a larger reading baggage than TV-watching hours.

more content-and-visual creativity/madness - less generic TV suit push-button smart-talk.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:37 / 21.03.04
Is that how you see it?

I see it as a medium trying desperately trying to recapture readers who went away, combined with companies who see that they can only make money through adaptations of their works in other mediums. Partly because TV series ARE the main medium in which people get their stories now, and in a way, that can be fine if done right. I don't think anyone would mind a comic that was as well-written as "The West Wing" was for its first 4 years, or was an well plotted as "The Sopranos". The problem isn't that they are trying to emulate TV series, but that they don't extend their reach.

Why?

Simple. Comics that extend their reach don't do well.

We all point to Sandman as a comic that expanded the market, but damn if it didn't sell pretty poorly as a COMIC BOOK. When X-Force was pumping 350,000 copies a month of Wildman art, Sandman was lucky to sell 80,000. The trades sold, but not in comic shops, and no matter how much we'd like it to be otherwise, comic shops are where American comics have to succeed.

There are ways to change this...mostly by buying better comics and getting other people to do so as well, and buying them in book stores showing bookstore owners to stock more Invisibles, Clumsy, True Story Swear To God and other comics that aren't pilots for movies.

But as readship goes down, companies have to go with what works, sadly, because they have corporate boards and shareholders to answer to.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:56 / 21.03.04
word.

although publishers have to go the secure way, the secure way *can* be the creative way. the bar is too lowered lately, that's my point.
 
 
The Falcon
22:18 / 21.03.04
Andrew 'Transformers, RSPB Magazine cartoon' Wildman never drew X-Force.

He drew X-Men Adventures. But he was much better at robots than people.

Oh, yes.

Rucka's Wonder Woman does quite a good impression of The West Wing sometimes, I think. I only ever watched the TV show, like, twice.
 
 
Tom Beland
00:06 / 11.04.04
True Story, Swear to God has been optioned for filming this year. I will be played by Morgan Freeman and Lily is played by Nicole Kidman. The story will mirror the comic, with one big car chase/exposion/me screaming "NOOOOOOOO" in the rain scene. Oh, and the DMX soundtrack. Oh, and the Matrix-inspired gun battle in a bank. Oh, and I eat a child's face off. Oh... and, of course, Lily battles orcs.

Have a good one! Thanks for the kind words!!

-Tom Beland
tom@tombeland.com
 
  
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