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Sigils/cusm's idea/overlaying muyltiple glyphs

04:52 / 16.03.04

Cusm came up with a good idea on another thread I started about Sigils that I would like to explore. I have started a new thread as you know how it is....You've been to the one thread a few times and then you think the question is exhausted and don't bother looking again

Well here goes

Cusm suggested how it might be a good idea to have a ready made attachment to add to all Sigils ......like a circle that goes around them theat tells the Unconscious/Universe "and this Sigil will avoid harming anybody or anything" (my preferred words)

In this way ALL Sigils would have this proviso built in and would prevent any harm or overly long 'Sigilising'

Just launch this intent once and from then on, every Sigil that contained this circle would be similarly protected. GREAT IDEA I BELIEVE......COMMENTS PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

Now onto the second part of my theorising:

Has anybody ever had a Sigil that they just cannot condense down to a short enough or nice enough sentence?
No matter how hard you try, the intent statement is just too long!

Would it be possible to break it down into two or three sentences seperately........just removing the repeating letters from each individaul sentence and then forming a number of sigils

If you drew themn small enough, sequentially then I am sure at the moment of charging, the unconscious would be able to take them all in as long as the number and size were small enough

Or what about overlaying them.....so you would draw the first glyph, then overlay the second and then the third

Has anybody got any experience with this?

Anyway, sorry to ask so many questions but it does seem a valid point that cusm brought up and it got me thinking

Again thanks

07:08 / 16.03.04

I hope that made sense

basically, is it possible to draw two or three glyphs sequentuially next to each other (small enough and close enough the Unconscious should take them all in)

Or overlay a couple of sigils ....one on top of the other
and then send off this multilayered Sigil off into the ether

trouser the trouserian

08:55 / 16.03.04

Joe
Why don't you just - like, try it out then come back and tell us all how it worked? (or not, how the case may be). Otherwise you're just gonna be asking endless questions and not ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING! There's nothing wrong with asking questions, but nothing beats trying something out.

09:39 / 16.03.04

I KNOW sorry!!!!!!!

It is just with my morbid fear of not wanting to harm anybody else, I just feel a little unsure and wondered whether anybody else had given it a whirl so to speak

10:23 / 16.03.04

Your extreme concern for others, (not a bad thing), will alter the manifestation of your sigil. Someone as concerned for others as yourself will probably automatically put those provisos on your working. Just go do it. If it makes you feel better to add the circe, then by all means do it.

10:54 / 16.03.04

'basically, is it possible to draw two or three glyphs sequentuially next to each other (small enough and close enough the Unconscious should take them all in)

Or overlay a couple of sigils ....one on top of the other
and then send off this multilayered Sigil off into the ether'

Anythings possible. You don't have to be restricted by the written word even. People respond differently to differnt methods. Try slopping paint around for instance(on yourself or on paper/canvas/both...bodily fluids optional of course) or cutting up loads of magazines and making a collage of your intent. Make biscuits with sigilised icing.

Maybe don't bother with with visual stimuli at all. Turn your intent into a jumbled up chant or mantra and recite when falling asleep (those hypnagogic states are some of the best times to do magic) or when running up and down a hill until you nearly pass out with exhaustion. Words often lose their meaning when repeated often enough (try it...say the word 'orange' 50 times and see you weird and unconnected it becomes). Maybe try using tape recorders or keyboards or anything really. If you have any musical talent turn your intent into music into a tune. You'll be humming it all day then and if it's catchy enough so will the rest of your workplace.

I've used all the above methods with great sucess. I guess what i'm saying is don't get bogged down with how you 'think' things should work. Like i said people work better with different methods in Sorcery just like people work better with different methods in Divination (some prefer Tarot, some I Ching, some thrownig a bucket of animal entrails about). Magic is primarily a creative act and in this it mirrors the universe which is also primarily a creative act.

And stop worrying so much about hurting other people.

And as people have already said. JUST DO IT! In fact when you read this sentence stop looking at the bloody computer and go and do one now! It'll only take a few minutes.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

11:08 / 16.03.04

Joetheneophyte: Or you could just add the words "and harm it none" to your statement of intent so they get incorporated into the sigil. It won't make it much more complicated, and will give you a little peace of mind.

Your prudence is rare and does you credit, but you may be taking things a tad too far.

Back when I was young and fluffy I fucked up several perfectly good spells by falling over myself to make sure they didn't 'hurt' anybody. Case in point: When I was 15-16 I entered a poetry contest, and concocted a spell to help me win.

In those days I would write my statement of intent as a poem and then burn it with pretty pretty candles. As I recall, I started with a fairly simple verse along the lines of "I want to win the poetry contest, please, ta" (in Poetic, obviously). But I got cold feet in case I was doing BLACK MAGICK, and slipped in clause after clause until my statement of intent was as long as your arm: "I want to win the poetry contest, um, unless there's someone with a really good poem who deserves it more than I don, um, or they need the money for their granny's hip replacement, or, um, they're a single mum who just wants to buy her child a few small toys and um, er, um..."

And this, my dears, is why one should scry before every magickal act. If you're really worried about unintended side-effects, they'll show up in the reading.

11:58 / 16.03.04

all excellent advice and I will take on board what you are saying when I get a chance to digest it all

(I am in work at the moment and 'sneakily' posting here)

Anyway....I thank you all for your responses and I will do some work in the near future

Thanks for your adivice

Joe

15:32 / 16.03.04

Theory bitching a bit more on the compound sigil thing here.

The thing that makes a written sigil work is that you can look at it and parse the whole thing as one single item, like a letter that is a word that means a complicated statement of intent. Your brain is able to wrap around the thing as a single atom of information, allowing it to be thus launched more easily as a sorcerous intent. If you do a compound sigil, each component must be thusly recognizable. You will have to basicly have the cognitive skills to hold both in your mind at once, and the relation between them, the entirety of that being also seen as a single point of reference for launching. So, it requires a bit more brain work to pull off. But I think it can be done. This goes for the circle idea as well as chains mentioned above.

But the cavat remains that I've not done this, just tinkering with the mental exercise of it. So, if anyone does get modivated enough to try it, do share how it worked for you. I'm quite curious about this.

16:03 / 16.03.04

cusm: done (circle permutation). waiting.

You will have to basicly have the cognitive skills to hold both in your mind at once, and the relation between them, the entirety of that being also seen as a single point of reference for launching.

God, I love the up-sides of ADD sometimes. I'm really good at thinking about 30 things at the same time, but I can never manage it for very long...

16:04 / 16.03.04

Your intent does not have to be coherent to your conscious/rational/whatever mind, but does it has to be meaningful to your subconscious/deep/etc mind. Maybe you could fool around with the intent so that its form (ie, length) changes, but not its meaning.

The book Visual Magick by Jan Fries contains some incredibly nifty ideas for sigils and their launching--stuff I would never have thought of. It's also a great book in general.

Enjoy yourself!

05:03 / 17.03.04

People

once again your generosity amazes me

this and another Board I frequent dealing with Hypnosis are the best two boards I have ever been on. The advice and charity shown on both boards is commendable and if one god turn deserves another, you are all going to receive something nice from the Universe for your time and effort

I hope to one day get knowledgeable enough to return the favour to you

Joe