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M. Night Shyamalans' The Village

 
  

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Tom Coates
22:27 / 14.03.04
I saw a trailer for this in the cinema while watching the frankly highly disappointing "Starsky and Hutch", but I don't know any more about it. Has anyone heard any more? What's the story? Is it going to be any good?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:21 / 15.03.04
I read all the spoilers at AICN and oh my goodness, what a steaming pile.

If the spoilers are accurate, that is. Hm. That needs to be the punchline in some kind of cartoon sitcom. Some kind of courtroom setting. "Are those spoilers accurate?!" says the lawyer. That'd be pretty funny.

Anyway. Yeah, pee-ewe.

M needs to start directing other people's screenplays. The man just is not a good enough writer to keep up with his incredible directing skills. Sad, really.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:23 / 15.03.04
hey, Tom, been a while since I saw a post from you here.

I saw a teaser and it seems to me the family discovers in the end they're Smurfs. or aliens, time travellers. something like that, in M. Knight's fashion.
 
 
CameronStewart
00:50 / 15.03.04
I've read the supposed spoilers too and I'm having trouble believing they're true - surely the standard Shyamalan Twist Ending couldn't be that obvious, could it? If it really is the ending, you can pretty much figure it out from the trailer alone.

I'm hoping that the reported ending is just a red herring, and MNS has something altogether more interesting up his sleeve. Although as he increasingly reveals himself to be a one-trick pony, maybe I shouldn't get my hopes too high...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:36 / 15.03.04
I had heard that there wasn't a twist ending to this movie...
 
 
Gary Lactus
18:16 / 15.03.04
What an incredible twist!

Ho! Ho!

God, I should stay away from M. Night threads.....
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:03 / 15.03.04
I'd call him a no-trick pony, but I don't want to just start bashing him again. Oh fuck I just did.
 
 
pomegranate
17:06 / 02.08.04
i saw this last night and quite enjoyed it. it wasn't very scary, however. (and i am a big wuss who got so scared during the sixth sense that i started to cry.) the twist ending you can see coming, certainly. but there are things that happen in this movie that you don't see coming, and that is enjoyable. i'm not going to reveal any spoilers now.
i think m. night really likes to scare people, which is unfortunate cos the supernatural aspects of his movies i find so secondary and not as well done as the stories and experiences of the characters.
oh another thing, the dialog in this movie is horredously weird and stilted in the beginning. either it got better or i just got used to it; i've been thinking and i really think it's the former.
 
 
electricinca
19:01 / 02.08.04
I've read the synopsis of it but I haven't read any spoilers, but now knowing that there is a twist at the end I'm thinking it's fairly obvious. I don't whether I should post my thoughts here though as it might actually spoil it for others.

The whole hype around the twist of the Sixth Sense ruined it for me as I went into the cinema trying to work it out and therefore got it almost immediately as it was again a pretty obvious twist.

The one thing that eludes me about The Village is the significance of the colours but they may be a 'Red' herring.
 
 
Spaniel
17:30 / 03.08.04
but now knowing that there is a twist at the end

Ooh, an M Night Shymalan (Writer, Director, Producer, Actor and Visionary) film with a twist ending...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:50 / 03.08.04
The whole hype around the twist of the Sixth Sense ruined it for me as I went into the cinema trying to work it out and therefore got it almost immediately as it was again a pretty obvious twist.

To be honest, that was kind of what made Sixth Sense for me. Had I not known there was a twist at all, I'd probably not have guessed it... but as it was, someone inadvertently told me it the day before I saw the film (to be fair, she thought I'd seen it already). I'm guessing my experience of the film was very different to that of most of the rest of the cinema. They were watching The Sixth Sense, while I was watching

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Wings of Desire. Starring Bruce Willis. Odd, to say the least.



I haven't seen a great deal about The Village, to be honest, but I was kind of hoping it'd be good... I could really do with a decent headfuck spooky movie on a big screen- it's been a while. I was quite looking forward to this... from comments upthread, I may have been getting my hopes up a bit much. Hopefully you're all WRONG, because I WILL go and see it, and I'd hate to waste my cash.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:45 / 03.08.04
Saw this Friday. Really haven't been arsed enough to write any kind of opinion of it till now (moving is hell). I was really interested to check this out, as I'm extremely interested in the stories of disappearing settlers at Roanoke Island. The trailers very much reminded me of that. Oh well.

The atypical M. Night twist ending in this is very flat and about as subtle as a neon sign. At best it might have some weight as commentary for our current terror-obsessed culture, 'safe' harbor within it, et al.

The visuals (Roger Deakin's cinematography is just as beautiful as it was in Kundun, one of my favorite flicks), the initial concept and the acting of Bryce Dallas Howard are the only reasons to see this movie.

Barring the above though, the execution and the really awful dialogue pretty much ruined this movie for me. And it's the kind of stiff, non-sequitur dialogue that devours excellent actors for lunch (Brendan Gleeson, William Hurt, Sigourney Weaver, Joaquin Phoenix, Adrien Brody.. you know these guys can act. But the stitled Amish-want-to-be dialogue may make you think otherwise. Like a community college performance of The Crucible gone horribly wrong). And Brody's village-idiot character completely undermines any sense this film might have had.

It reminded me of AI a lot. Great ideas behind it. But a shabby means of showing them.

This skewering review at Salon was the only thing that made it worthwhile. Magic rocks, indeed.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
21:46 / 03.08.04
Well, most of what I read was the usual faux-informed sarcastic-sans-wit rubbish that passes for film criticism these days. Then Salon told me I needed a subscription or to watch a shitload of adverts to read the rest. Distinctly underwhelmed. I've seen people shit better writing than that, dude.
 
 
Spaniel
22:06 / 03.08.04
Er, was that a post in defence of Shytamalan?
 
 
lukabeast
04:07 / 04.08.04
Could somebody who saw this already post "the twist ending"?
 
 
Triplets
06:39 / 04.08.04
Twist: It's kind of like the Truman show.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:30 / 04.08.04
no, please spoil it in the most detailed way possible, as I have no desire to see this film but I want to know what everyone is so pissed off about.
 
 
pomegranate
14:14 / 04.08.04
jack, the commercial you have to watch for salon is brief and you can switch to another window during it.

a troublesome thing about this movie is that the twist gives it a thought-provoking theme. WHICH the reviewers can't discuss w/o revealing. so they are forced to simply write how let down they were by the obvious twist, the stilted dialog, how m. night should use other people's scripts, etc.

papi, yr wish is my command, and all, don't say i didn't warn you...SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!

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soo, throughout the movie you hear various elders talk about people who they loved and lost due to violence, which is ostensibly why they moved to this little commune thing. so...shock! the Things We Do Not Speak Of (which is a lie, they’re brought up quite often), the creatures in the woods, are actually the elders in disguise! no! yes. it's all...a RUSE to keep everyone in the village from leaving, so they can stay safe. this you totally see coming. the reason this is revealed is that the blind girl, played by ron howard’s daughter bryce, (forgive me i can’t remember character names here) needs to go to the neighboring cities for medicine for her love, the tasty joaquin phoenix. joaquin needs meds cos he got stabbed by the village idiot, played by adrien brody. adrien stabbed him cos he was in love with bryce, but it was just announced that joaquin and bryce were going to get married. so it is stunning to see joaquin get the shiv from retarded adrien, that’s a twist you don’t see coming. at least i didn’t. anyway, blind girl’s dad tells her that the creatures aren’t real, so that she can through the woods and get some antibiotics.

however, the other twist you don't necc. see coming is when some of the elders go into a locked box they have in their house (almost all the elders have a locked box in their house that no one can go into, apparently) with a voiceover of all the elders talking about the people they loved who got killed, and bryce’s dad saying, “i have this idea...” and pull out a photograph of them in what looks like maybe the 1970’s, EVEN THOUGH the film opens w/a funeral and the gravestone says it’s 1897 or something. Hokay. i think outright lying to yr audience is cheating when it comes to a twist. but hey, at least i was surprised.

this is followed by bryce finally reaching the end of the woods, which she ends up traversing alone cos her companions chicken out. so, yes, that’s right, the blind girl goes into the woods alone. but when she leaves the woods, you see a car pull up, this is about the same time as the photograph is shown. the person is shocked to see her, turns out he’s just guarding the perimeter of some wildlife preserve. his jacket and truck say “walker”on them, and he asks her name, and her last name is walker. earlier in the movie her father does mention that her grandfather was one of the richest men around and was killed, so at that point you figure out that her dad took the money he inherited and set up this preserve thing so they wouldn’t be bothered. but she of course asks “what was that noise?” referring to the siren on the truck, and tells him they need medicine and he gets it for her and she goes back. so, even though the entire time she’s in the woods (and it is a little scary to see her in the woods alone, especially when she gets attacked by one of the creatures, cos yr like, wtf, but it turns out it’s just the village idiot who found a spare costume, but she kills him by tripping him so he falls into this giant hole that she almost bit it on earlier) yr going, “why the fuck did they send a blind girl on this mission?” you now can see that it makes some sort of sense, cos she couldn’t see the truck and say, perhaps, “hey that looks faster than walking, i think i’d like one.”

but it still doesn’t make sense that they didn’t send one of the elders, who already know about such things, but then again the trip through the woods wouldn’t have been as exciting if it was w/someone who could see. when bryce returns, she tells them that she killed one of the creatures in the woods, so it’s unclear if she believes it really was a Thing We Do Not Speak Of even though her father told her they were fake. he did say that even though they faked the creatures, there were rumors that there was something in the woods. then it’s decided that they will tell the villagers that adrien/village idiot was killed by the creatures, which is a good idea to scare people out of ever giving anyone the shiv, should such an idea ever cross their minds, i s’pose. ostensibly, joaquin lives on to have hot offspring w/bryce.

joaquin and bryce give good performances. despite the crappy dialog. seriously, does m. night have anyone else read his scrips after he’s done writing them? i’m not saying you need 13 writers all “the flintstones” style, but, you know, feedback is good.
 
 
Spaniel
14:25 / 04.08.04
Why would anyone need to check the work of a genius?

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cusm
19:34 / 04.08.04
Ok, now that its properly spoiled...

This movie is a reversal of his previous works, where you the twist is that the supernatural is actually real. This time, you see the monsters right from the start, so the twist is that they are a hoax. Yet he still plays with you a bit. You find out the monsters are a hoax, but that they were based on legends... So when the blind girl is confronted by one in the woods, its really spooky cause it just might be a real monster, which would be the twist you were waiting for. But no, its not, which is disappointing, but the scene is still powerfuly creepy. There is other wierd symmetry in the forest rangers holding the permiter just as the Villagers do.

He plays with the color bit, too. You know at this point its going to be an element. So, rather than it being a clue to pick up on, its obvious. Red is "the bad color that attracts Those That We Mention More Than We Say We Should", Yellow is "the safe color".

The bit that the elders are all from a support group for violence survivors is pretty funny. You don't even need the full explaination for how they did it. "I'm a professor of American History, and I have an idea..." You can fill it in from there.

As for points, the real monsters are the outside world. They know this little setting might one day come to an end, which is why they pray only that they are grateful for another day. Interestingly Unitarian in their lack of mention of diety, and I'm sure I didn't see a single cross, either. Of course, who needs a religion of worship to unify your community, when you have a religion of fear of the evil faerie monsters that will eat you if you don't perform the proper rights.

There is a little bit os supernatural in there, in that the blind girl can see auras. Its not important or even highly played up, just a bit of character flavor. And more mentions about color.

So overall: its pretty, the characters are interesting, the blind girl is exceptional, its good and creepy, the language is wierd (unless you're used to puritan amish), there's some intense drama and a few good twists, and its an interesting premise, though not his best by far and a bit of a let down on the reality of it. The actors and directing give a good experience of what was otherwise just an ok story.
 
 
cusm
20:09 / 04.08.04
There were a couple of memorable lines worth mention.

"Sometimes, we do not do what we want to do, so that others do not know that we want to do them."

"The world kneels in awe before love."
 
 
pomegranate
20:30 / 04.08.04
that whole speech that joaquin gives bryce on the porch kills me when i think about it. another great quote: "why have we never heard before of these magic rocks?" why, indeed. hahaa.

some thoughts now that i've shared the spoilers:

initially, believing as i did that it was the late 1800's, i thought, wow, m. night is a fool cos this society is way too egalitarian with regard to the shared leadership of the men and the women. but then i thought, well, maybe he's trying to Make a Statement that, even though it was back in the day, if a society could be away from all others for some time, maybe it could become that way. of course when i found out it was modern times, it made sense that they would do that.

where did they get those clothes, or even just the fabric for the clothes, and why did they wear them? ok the clothes were to contribute to the Big Lie about what year it was (and i still say: wack, lying isn't a plot twist), but in the sense of the story. it's bad enough that they have to live like that w/no microwaves/medicine/etc., but why did the women have to constantly wear dresses like that? are we really supposed to believe that these people were so scarred by the violence that happened to their families that starting up a safe commune isn't enough, they have to go fully Back in the Day about it? i don't think so, personally.

i'm sorry, just let me reiterate once more about joaquin's hotness. especially combined with his utter competance in this movie. slurp.

finally, the creatures just looked so ridiculous, even when you only caught a glimpse of them.

fun fact: judy evans, the blind girl's sister, was in my high school theatre drama program in michigan. she's older than me so i didn't know her, but her head shot was among the alumni on the wall.
 
 
DaveBCooper
11:23 / 05.08.04
So I read on this thread there’s a twist, and think ‘hmmm, what if it’s not set in the past?’.
And I scroll down, and that seems to be the case.
Weird; I like his films, but I’m usually able to guess the endings, which kind of takes the ‘a-hah!’ factor away.
Except for Stuart Little, that is. Didn’t see the end of that one coming AT ALL.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:04 / 05.08.04
Portentous, self-satisfied, terminally slow, overhashed twaddle. Why the hell can't they just be monsters? Why always feel the need for 'high' concepts?
 
 
Spaniel
12:15 / 05.08.04
Clearly his genius is beyond your small mind.
 
 
Catjerome
12:58 / 05.08.04
This all sounds a heck of a lot like the Ray Bradbury story "Jack in the Box".
 
 
Ganesh
13:25 / 05.08.04
Does, doesn't it? That story freaked me right out, as an impressionable youngster.
 
 
pomegranate
02:33 / 07.08.04
dr. birdie, just wondering, were the spoilers you read accurate?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:26 / 09.08.04
I think everyone else has given sufficient opinion about the movie.

I thought it was all right. Some genuinely creepy moments, and I didn't see the stabbing coming at all.

As for the woods scene with Bryce/Adrien, she mentions earlier in the movie that some people give off "colors," and I feel pretty sure that she knew it was Adrien behind her in the woods. If she'd been playing with him for years during her childhood, her senses would be developed enough to know who it was coming after her. I figure the tripping him and into the pit he goes was either terror that the childhood games were now no longer games (especially after she slapped the crap out of him) or a small bit of revenge for his actions.

Just my 2 cents.
 
 
cusm
19:50 / 09.08.04
Did he have a color, though? It was only some people, like her bleeding boyfriend and father. I think those were the only ones she admidted to being able to see. Though still, she might have yet put it all together and the scene might not have been any different.
 
 
Liger Null
16:33 / 10.08.04
Too be honest, I pretty much picked out the "Twist Ending" from the previews. I mostly went to confirm my suspicions (Hee-hee, I love being right!) The presence of my two biggest celebrity crushes-Joaquin Pheonix and Adrien Brody (Adrieeeen! I love you Adrieeeen!), was also a major selling point.

The fact is that I've liked every movie that I've seen by Shaymalan. Everyone focuses on the trick endings and are inexplicably disappointed in them. "Oh jeez, I could smell that one coming!" they say. Of course you could; you are smarter than the average bear. He puts the clues right there for you, they're pretty obvious.

These movies are just really long, high-budget Twilight Zone episodes, and should be enjoyed as such. They give you a little something to think about: the power of faith and love, how well-meaning authority figures sacrifice truth for the "common good" only to fail to protect us in the end, the importance of Paying Attention. These are all worthy themes, and if they have to be dumbed-down for the masses then so be it.

I found the Village quite enjoyable, and the sequences with the creatures were genuinely frightening. The stilted "Amish wannabe" dialogue was appropriate for people who were, in fact, Amish wannabes.

Was the movie flawed? Yes, it was. But when was the last time you saw a film that wasn't flawed? Indeed, when was the last time you saw a recent release that was any good at all?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
07:51 / 11.08.04
I went to a preview/q+a discussion the other night.

The twist isn't what everyone here thinks it is, it's much more subtle and at the same time completely obvious than that.

Put it this way, Shyamalan considered showing the "road" at the very beginning to get rid of the pressure of what was bound to be misinterpreted as the "twist".
It isn't.

There's a more profound change in the dynamics that is the real twist. Protagonist change.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
13:58 / 11.08.04
any more light you'd like to shed on this interpretation?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
14:00 / 11.08.04
actually, as a whole, im sort of confused about what the twist WAS, because the only twist i saw came in the middle, not the end; that being the creatures were manufactured. which i was satisfyingly surprised by, and thought was reasonably clever/entertaining/cool. this was disappointing or obvious to everyone?
 
 
cusm
19:24 / 11.08.04
I see what you mean about the protagonist change. That *was* an unexpected twist, and nicely done. It was suitably shocking when it happened.
 
  

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