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Is where you live a reflection of you?

 
  

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Goodness Gracious Meme
15:06 / 08.03.04
simple/stupid question, really. is where you live, house/district/neighbourhood/country a reflection of you. how does choice factor in?

eg, I moved to my current hometown to get away from London, and it suits me pretty well. I probably share alot of characteristics with it, good, and bad. So it suits me. Its home, for now.

Living by the sea is a major thing for me, but i would ideally make it about 20,000x more racially mixed. It still freaks me.

So where are you, and how do you relate to it?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
15:17 / 08.03.04
Dood! My neighborhood is totally bad, like me. That bitch Grant Morrison would love it!

Seriously, I'm the only white guy in my neighborhood. I live right next to a beautiful park, which was the "proof of concept" prototype for the guy who developed Central Park in the 19th Century. The drawback is that there are no good restaurants or bars or whathaveyou. I have to travel to socialize.

So, yeah, I think it does reflect my scenic-but-alienated soul.
 
 
ibis the being
15:22 / 08.03.04
Boston? Well, it's cold a lot of the time, fairly small for a city, seems wealthy & uptight but is much cooler, poorer, and low-key once you get to know it. Newcomers often find it's got an exclusive or ostracizing feel to it, but if you hang around a little longer it inspires fierce loyalty. So, yes.
 
 
rizla mission
15:30 / 08.03.04
is where you live, house/district/neighbourhood/country a reflection of you?

fuck no.

how does choice factor in?

Not a great deal. I have a nice room here which I can afford to live in, and I probably couldn't anywhere else in the world at the moment = choice made.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:32 / 08.03.04
that's dead interesting. and it occurs to me that this question assumes you've got a fair amount of choice over where you live.

My place= hippyish, but mostly often better dressed, ridiculoulsy over-educated/your barperson will probably have a PhD and a club night somewhere,

has the good and the bad of a hippy town=complacent - the only peole i've ever met more smug about where they live are SF'ers, with whom Bton shares alot.

=a much easier place to be queer than the rest of the country

a real slacker culture, only about 1/3 of my friends here work full time.... and i'm lazy as hell ...
 
 
_Boboss
15:52 / 08.03.04
mmm. i'm not happy living anywhere I can't mutter 'fucking hippy scum' under my breath as i walk about. and mean it. there's no subculture more satisfying to differentiate oneself from in my view.
 
 
_Boboss
16:04 / 08.03.04
sorry - the sun seems far too late going down tonight. doing my head right in.
 
 
HCE
16:06 / 08.03.04
I think so, yes. At my income, I could live in Culver City, which is a sort of would-be Santa Monica -- supposedly liberal but really very into gloss and beach-city wealth. Somebody compared it to Park Slope in Brooklyn but I don't see the resemblance. Culver's farther from the beach and more poor, but trying to work its way up. On the other side I could live in Silverlake, which is like Williamsburg. An accretion of hipsters around a core of semi-starved artists.

I live geographically (and in other ways) between the two. My neighborhood is mostly black, but bordered by Ehtiopian and Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods. Lots of small storefronts. Not really poor, but not arriviste either. 20 minutes from the beach and 20 minutes from the hills. Right in between, which suits me.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:31 / 08.03.04
Couldn't you pick up on aspects of the area you live in as matching elements of your own personality wherever you were?
 
 
grant
16:32 / 08.03.04
I think my neighborhood is too sleepy for me, but I can't say I miss having the Latin Kings in the apartment next to my old place breaking into my old car and eating my granola bars (commuter's breakfast!).

Where I think I belong: a rambling farmhouse in some jungle somewhere less than a 20 minute drive from a bustling urban city center.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
16:38 / 08.03.04
Probably, E. Randy, but isn't that sort of the interesting part?
 
 
Nobody's girl
17:50 / 08.03.04
Erm, I'm thinking that where you live only reflects who you are after a certain level of income is reached.

My street accumulates old fridges and mattresses on a weekly basis. Other colourful features of my street are: the perma-dog shit, the junkie half-way house, the gangs of roaming ne'er-do-wells, the lack of any greenery and nearby pubs and clubs spilling drunken vomit machines onto the kebab shop. So, no, I really hope that where I live doesn't reflect who I am although it's certainly a good cross section of the socio-economic group I belong to.
 
 
spake
19:21 / 08.03.04
hmmmm, i think i reflect where i live. my lungs reflect the pollution here, i'm as congested as the traffic, and i certainly seem to be as depressing as the drab environment here. no, where i live doesn't reflect me.
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
19:44 / 08.03.04
I think where I live reflects me pretty well. I live in a compact, yet charming house. It sits on a half-acre of land, next to a large undeveloped city park. The house has a wrap around deck on two sides. I am able to get in the hot tub naked at night without worrying about offending my neighbors (not that that has ever stopped me).

The neighborhood, while in the city limits, is not well developed. All of the lots are large, mine being one of the smallest in the area, so it has an isolated feel. There is a large wooded hill and a river between me and the rest of the city. I like to spend time outdoors, so the area suits me nicely. I am within 15 minutes drive time of most everything in the city, so I don't feel as though I am cut off.
 
 
Bed Head
20:03 / 08.03.04
I lived way out in the country for years on end, literally miles from anywhere. And I always wanted to move back to a city, where the only shop doesn’t close at 7, and there are people around at all hours of the day and night; even the drunks at chucking-out time take on a certain kind of filthy glamour when you’re out in the sticks, because they’re, y’know, big-city drunks. So much more sophisticated than bumpkin village drunks. Now I’m here, I really miss seeing the stars at night. The night sky is always orange here, whatever the weather. And the buildings get in the way of the sunsets.

So, I think might have to start keeping both a town house and also a country residence for the weekend. It’s the only way I’m going to be happy.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:02 / 08.03.04
Currently I live in what you all would term 'the sticks,' about 15 miles away from Bath. But I live next to a road, and whilst it's only a B road it's still noisy in the rush hours. I also have a street light right outside my window. This is very annoying as it interferes with my a/sleep and b/my star viewage.

On Thursday I shall be moving to a tiny little cottage in a tiny little village in Somerset which has no street lights, a dead end road and a really good pub that people come from miles around to visit. My nearest neighbours will be (on one side) three goats, a few sheep and some hens and on the other, a pub about 2 minutes walk down the dead end road.

In order to take my son to school I shall have to drive through the Longleat Estate every day, and on route we will see rhinos and tigers and many creatures weirdly non-related to Somerset.

Your cities, they're fun for a drink and a wild night out but they're loud and polluted and you can't see the sky, and there is too much traffic and you can't play in the street for fear of being run-over. And you can't go out on your bike without telling your Mum where you are going and there is so much extraneous sub-conscious "noise" that tuning into your own thoughts is nigh on impossible.

So my new house suits me perfectly. Where I live is me.

(Ha. I just wrote 'where I love' then, which just about says it all I think.)
 
 
gingerbop
21:27 / 08.03.04
Where I live is small. I am small.

However, I hope it doesnt reflect me, as in nobody goes anywhere fucking near it. Bedhead- consider yourself lucky. Shop? You have a shop? CIVILIZATION!

It's certainly not Me, in terms of the community. They feel duty bound to attend village take-aways and the like, even though most people dont like each other much, and you feel obliged to say hello, if you should ever pass anyone.

My personality doesn't need a bus to get there.
 
 
telyn
22:41 / 08.03.04
Certainly my room represents me, the things in it (in particular my choice of furniture) and the way it's laid out. However the area I live in does not reflect me at all and I rather like that.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:46 / 08.03.04
So, no, I really hope that where I live doesn't reflect who I am although it's certainly a good cross section of the socio-economic group I belong to.

well yes, hence my comment about this assuming choice. but also telling us maybe things about where we are right now.

which, Randy, was a part of what I was interested in.

Eg another one from my end. I'm on the extreme end of low-income, i would guess, before we start talking about people who have no income. I get state benefits. Which get me a flat and a small living 'wage'.

And the place i live has a huge rep for being dolescum heaven. Which is richly deserved in that, altho' its' becoming much more yuppified, once you can get a place (rents are astronomical, fastest rising in the country, some of the fastest-rising in Europe. which will surprise no-one who lives here), cost of living can be pretty cheap for somewhere that has so much going on, and in some very specific fields, quite alot of opportunity. (and in all others, no chance at all of a decent job)

Also as somewhere with a long history of populations with little money, there are lots of low-monetary-cost/high-time-cost options for various things...eg farm collectives where if you'll work, you get free produce etc...

So as someone with small amounts of living income, but a decent amount to spend on rent, and a desire to live somewhere interesting, it suits me down to the ground. And my life/me here are very differnt from my cash-rich/time-poor life in London...

telyn: can i ask why? is it coz you don't want to identify with it? or coz you like living somewhere different to you?

Oh, and Wolverine, c'mere and let me tickle you under the chin, you miserable sod.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:49 / 08.03.04
. there's no subculture more satisfying to differentiate oneself from in my view.

So why do you live here exactly?
 
 
Persephone
01:45 / 09.03.04
"Dorksters in hipsterville" about sums it up!
 
 
w1rebaby
01:57 / 09.03.04
Where I used to live, in Seven Sisters, was probably the most appropriate since it was a dismal no-hope rathole. Quite literally; we were getting the Hackney rat overflow.

Now, my overpaid overthere ass is living in a gated apartment in gentrified semi-suburban yuppie heaven, with three syndicated coffee places within five minutes' walk. It doesn't fit. I find myself stomping down the street with my cheap haircut, smoking furiously, stopping only to buy take-out booze before shutting myself in and drinking until I fall asleep. On the weekends I like to wander along the canalside, taking photos of ducks and pieces of decayed industrial detritus while wondering if you can die from a hangover.
 
 
+#'s, - names
02:08 / 09.03.04
Currently I reside in an office. The back room actually. Sleep on an air mattress. Go to the "CEO"'s house ever couple of days to shower. I have a nice apartment 120 miles away in a city with no economy, but its very nice, above a very wonderful restaurant. I am also 120 miles away from my friends, family and girlfriend. It reflects my desire to escape my day to day drudgery and my obsession with isolating myself from everythign I care about. Ho hum. 3-4 more weeks.
 
 
_Boboss
09:57 / 09.03.04
i need the hippies, otherwise i don't know who i am.

as for ther strokes under the chin -

ppppprrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
 
_Boboss
09:59 / 09.03.04
just read oulabelle's post. wow yr lucky. i'd love to get back there.
 
 
Sax
10:11 / 09.03.04
Gauda Secunda. Teetering on a knife-edge of tension. Depressed and depressing. Looks like a building site at the moment as they optimistically tear down all the old buildings and hope beyond hope that flash retail and office businesses will move into the concrete slabs which will replace them. Can't wait for Will Alsop's lake and sensory garden in the city centre, though.

That's really just where I work. Live about six miles away, on the edge of the Yorkshire moors. Lots of rolling hills and cloud-shadowed fields. Very nice.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
10:14 / 09.03.04
"In order to take my son to school I shall have to drive through the Longleat Estate every day, and on route we will see rhinos and tigers and many creatures weirdly non-related to Somerset."

Wow. that *is* very cool. And now I have far-off memories of fab kiddy visits to Longleat.

But I couldn't live somewhere like that, as I need to live around some people who are roughly the same shade as me. And that doesn't happen in little rural villages.

Once went to visit ex-g's village in Leics with her. Her parents were lovely but I was stared at everywhere I went, and there was outright face-on racism. As well as the stuff we only heard about later. And this was 20miles from Leicester

So I find the idea of living somewhere rural scary
 
 
Ariadne
10:30 / 09.03.04
I'm not fond of rural either, having grown up on the edge of a small town. I like the idea, but I prefer anonymity.

Your new house sounds lovely, though olulabelle.

I live in the east of London and no, I don't think it reflects me -- unless it reflects the fact I wanted to buy a flat and couldn't afford one anywhere else in London. I mean, you know, it's fine, it's safe enough, the people are friendly, but I'd prefer prettier or funkier or more central.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:16 / 09.03.04
Erm. In central London in a complete dive- neighbourhood and flat- with a bunch of mad people and a cat. It's great!!!! I'm surrounded by strangers and we have... someone who might be a drag queen next door and the guy in the little shop asks me '10 or 20?' everytime I walk in.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
13:31 / 09.03.04
no, not a reflection.
i now live in a new-build cul-de-sac in North Wembley near Preston Road tube on the Met line. as in most of Brent, the young white male is something of a rarity. the rent is steep and my neighbours seem to be civil but inhospitable aspiring middle class professionals.
i live here as a compromise so that my flatmate can get to City Uni and i have a slightly nightmarish drive up the A40 to Uxbridge.

no, not a reflection. necessity.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:00 / 09.03.04
Where I live is a pretty good reflection of a lot of things about me, some of which I hope are permanent, some of which definitely aren't. It's not like I deliberately tried to move to the most central place possible, but when that option presented itself, I didn't have to think twice, even though there are things about the place I live that I'm not so keen on and which other people would probably find actively off-putting. Location trumped it all for me when I moved in almost two years ago, and it's still great in that respect... however, I was single and rootless when I first moved in, and now I've got this weird, unexpected urge to settle down a little, and I wouldn't mind a place just big enough for me & she to wallow in domestic bliss...

I think E Randy has a point, though: for example, right now I often find myself thinking "sure, I'd like more space and a nice garden, but that's for a later time in my life, when that kind of thing is more important to me than living centrally" - now, this is 'true' in one sense, but it is also a rationalisation, and a self-fulfilling prophecy, because if and when I have more space and a nice garden - no matter how arbitrarily this circumstance arises - I will probably sit down and think "ah yes, now I am at the time in my life when I need a garden and soem more space".

But anyway, the advantages: I go through long phases without ever having to use the tube (seriously, I can avoid it for a month at a time sometimes), because everywhere I go tends to be accessible by a short bus journey. Or on foot - in the summer, I tend to walk a lot, and that's great too. The fact that King's Cross is very urban (in the literal sense) suits me just fine. 24 hour living (net cafe, shops) just a minute down the road. Decent enough local less than a minute down the road, so central that I can persuade friends from further afield to meet there. The reassuring buzz of city noise at night. Handy trains to Brighton and other places... (I wrote something about KX for a zine I was going to make, will have to dig that out.)

I know that some of this is very much personal taste, and will seem odd to some. I'm afraid that people who live in London of their own free will and proceed to spend a large amount of time complaining about it get very short shrift from me: I grew up in a small town in the Midlands, and Londoners sometimes don't know when they've been born... I always feel like pointing out that there is still plenty of room in Derbyshire. (One thing I can't stand in particular is the whole "ooh, it's a bit rough round there, isn't it?", although this is unlikely to come from born and bred Londoners unless they're from Chelsea, which doesn't really count - *ptoo!* - I used to get this when I lived in Whitechapel too...)
 
 
Smoothly
14:11 / 09.03.04
I live in Covent Garden. I am a brash, self-regarding cunt.
Hand meets glove.
 
 
fabi
14:29 / 09.03.04
Fuck yeah,
i came from a big city to the smallest town in the world a people here are way different.
one can't do anything here, because everybody knows everybody.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:46 / 09.03.04
"I am a brash, self-regarding cunt"

You've got a nice flat tho'. Tho' im guessing if yr that brash, someone with better taste got to it first.

Flyboy, that's really interesting. I can imagine, being a kid of boring suburbia myself, the excitement/enjoyment of living properly in the city, and myself, could never move back even if i wanted to, because the place would have to be 'properly city'

I totally felt the thrill when i first moved to london, and I was living in *New Cross*, for chrissakes. So now, it'd have to be dead central or buzzy- whitechapel/brixton/stokey for prefs. Cher-ching.

Which is something I like about Brighton, and my ludicrous 'sustainable only here'(only just, at times) lifestyle, in that, it's no way a city (and don't let anyone tell you otherwise) but I can right now, live in the centre, walk pretty much everywhere, be on the seafront by the pier in 2mins, watching the sunset, walk home from most peoples houses whenever, have some of the only 24hour shops in this non-city round the corner from me as well as loads of places to eat/drink/shop etc...

(see that Brightonian smugness, I just can't control it. )
 
 
Jub
14:52 / 09.03.04
I live South of London.
Where I live is South of London.
Therefore where I live is a reflection of me.
 
  

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