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Buddhist Ritual

 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:43 / 06.03.04
I've heard that there'sa ritual in Buddhism (and in fact everywhere for that matter) where the participant goes into a trance like state and is attacked by supernatural monsters. They destroy the body, but the participant doesn't care because they've separated mind from body.
How can i take part in this ritual, and what benefits/disadvantages would it entail? Does anyone have any ideas?
 
 
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12:05 / 06.03.04
Well i'm really into Buddhism and i've never heard of that at all!

Would be very interested to hear all about it though.
 
 
illmatic
12:49 / 06.03.04
You're thinking of Chod, or Gcod.

There's a good essay on this in Tantra in Practice (ed. David Gordon White) by Giacomella Orofino called "The Great Wisdom Mother and the Gcod Tradition". In it she states that "the few Westerners who previously described the gcod practice had provided only a superfical anlaysis of it, more closely linked to it's magicoreligous aspects than it's philosophic background and significance." What she means by this is that people have tended to focus on the gory shocking side of the ritual without thinking about what the symbolism underlying this might mean. The demon in this ritual/meditation aren't somuch literal entities ouside ourself as personifications of qualities that are seen as negative in Buddhist theology such as attachement, egotism and pride.

To quote again "the gcod practioners are aware of the psychological signiicance of this macabre banquet.. the deities evoked during the ritual are the symbolic images of his desires and wishes while the evil spirits are nothing but the projections of the practioners mind, embodiments of his disquiet and fear. Offering one's body and dancing on ones ego represent the means of eliminating discrimination between good and evil, between desire and aversion - the dichotomy that all Buddhist thought deemsthe root of all suffering".

So if you seriously wanted to undertake this, you'd have to start studying and practising Tibetian Buddhism. I'm aware there are some American Buddhist lineages that incorporate this inot their practice, though I can't remember the names right now. Will post if I do. I find it a bit difficult to sum up what the benefits of this might be - a new way of looking at yourself for a start.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
12:55 / 06.03.04
I forget the name, I think it's the 'Chod Ritual' but it's a ritual from Tibetan Buddhism inspired by the local shamanic culture on the Himalayan steppes. The supernatural monsters are 'Tulpas'; most strands of Buddhism reject the idea of the objective reality of demons etc. (like Chaos Magick) and instead see them as either metaphors (such as the Demon-King Mara in the story of the Buddha's awakening) or a controlled hallucination.
The purpose is basically the same as the Western concept of 'Crossing the Abyss' or iniation by crisis: you go through the worst shit imaginable and come out of it on the other side 'above' the rest of us plebs. The Buddhist basically has a COMPLETE seperation of mind and body (while still being in the real world of course) as opposed to recieving brief flashes of transcendence like most people get during meditation, sex, drugs or whatever.

As to going about it, sorry but there's no set formula, and it's bound to be a lot harder than wanking over a doodle to get your fingers into some glassy-eyed blonde at the disco. It requires decades of training, very likely in Tibet, and probably also the Bodishattva vow (a commitment to endure continual rebirth in order to hasten humanity's enlightenment).
There are only two ways to get some sort of partial seperation of mind/body:
1) A disciplined and vigourous programme of meditation. Most Buddhists, and myself, try to do about an hour a day, once in the morning and once at night.
2) Lose a fight. If the glassy-eyed blonde at the disco has a boyfriend then he may be willing to help. Consider this as Demonic Evisceration Lite. This is probably also a very effective way of charging a sigil (have it drawn on your chest while getting seven shades beaten out of you) or banishing parts of your personality you're uncomfortable with (embody your Anger/Jealousy/Repressed Homosexuality into a thought-form, have it 'posses' you then get it beaten out of you.) Obviously beware of the physical and legal consequences.
I've also had (involutary) experiences like this while high and I definately don't recommend it to anyone.

And as for the ritual being everywhere: Yup. Almost every shamanic culture and a lot of mainstream religions have a variant on the theme of the Chod ritual, though most also incorporate the addition of an extra part to the initiate's body, like a third eye. South-American Shamans use DMT, Christians speak in tongues, secular types do it unconciously in 'Alien Abductions' (which often involve implantations in the abductee's chakras).
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
12:57 / 06.03.04
Great, I was writing my post at the same time as Illmatic, sorry if I repeated anything.
 
 
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13:08 / 06.03.04
I forget the name, I think it's the 'Chod Ritual' but it's a ritual from Tibetan Buddhism inspired by the local shamanic culture on the Himalayan steppes.

Yeah i thought it was going to be Tibetan but i didn't want to guess incase i was totally wrong. I've mainly studied Theravada, Zen and Mahayana.

I've also had (involutary) experiences like this while high and I definately don't recommend it to anyone.

Yeah that sucks and is awful. I've had this more times than i can remember and very nearly lost it big time on two occasions.

As to going about it, sorry but there's no set formula, and it's bound to be a lot harder than wanking over a doodle to get your fingers into some glassy-eyed blonde at the disco.

 
 
illmatic
13:46 / 06.03.04
Great post, Phex. I disagree about the need to go to Tibet etc though. I've just dug out an essay I have on Chod as practiced in the 'states - don't have an electronic copy, sorry - and they mention the name of Guru Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, so someone might want to do a search on that.

I thik "losing a fight" kind ofsums up the attitude of a lot of this stuff ie. not having to defend your imagined territoy and self-image all the time.

Cheers
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:17 / 07.03.04
Cheers- this is great. Wow...barbelith...a melting pot of information, all wired up to the emerging supercontext...
 
 
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10:39 / 07.03.04
That's the one.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
11:25 / 07.03.04
Yeah, we be getting our Memeplex shit together and our flow be fresh.
 
 
Mmothra
16:40 / 21.06.05
Chod is a practice derived from the indiginous Tibetan shamaninism called Bon. Chod means to "chop" and in the ritual the practitioner invites spirits of the dead ("hungry ghosts" or preta) to dismember and consume them. The purpose is, as was mentioned, to disconnect the identification and obsession with one's body.

It is interesting to note that Chod is a practice that has seen many of its greatest adepts be women...go figure.

Also, while the Dharma does say that all things are emanations of mind, that does not mean that the preta, demons, deities, etc., do not exist. It means that all things, ourselves included are emanations of mind...and we certainly seem to exist to ourselves and one another. In fact, one aim of Vajrayana yidam practice is to manifest the deity in physical form. This may be a tulpa (an entity brought into manifestation through focused will), but it is nonetheless "real".

An interesting resource on Chod can be found here: http://www.dharmafellowship.org/library/essays/chod.htm

Mark
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:08 / 21.06.05
Chögyal Namkhai Norbu , this smiling geezer is uk based, up in wales, amazingly he also transmits his school 3 times a year by webcaste, by transmission i mean transmission in the mystical sense.

dzogchen uk

i found some audio by him yesterday,

teachings
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:13 / 21.06.05
July 1-5:
LIVE WEBCAST of retreat with Choegyal Namkhai Norbu from Merigar

Rigdzin Changchub Dorje's Terma Tagdrol teaching

more updated details how to connect will be available, June 30th on: http://www.ambientiweb.com/webcast/
for exact time zone hours: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

July 15th:
WORLDWIDE TRANSMISSION OF GURU PADMASAMBHAVA
AT 11 PM (EAST TIME)


Via video (a transmission given by Chogyal Namkhai Norbu to all participants worldwide simultaneously.)
Attendance at this transmission enables new practitioners to take part in the many practices offered by the Dzogchen Community, though, of course, receiving transmission in person from the Master, is the preferred route for those seeking to understand and practice Chogyal Namkhai Norbu’s teachings. It is expected that those participating in the transmission will proceed to join in Dzogchen Community practices and will attend a future retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu when it is possible for them to do so.


Contact: secretary@tsegyalgar.org
Telephone: 413-369-4153
 
  
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