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Kirk Cameron says I'm going to Hell

Mister Six, whom all the girls

00:09 / 06.03.04

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/

00:49 / 06.03.04

1. It's KIRK Cameron.

2. You might want to visit the FAQ and learn how to make a proper link.

3. Why do you find it so unlikely/"clearly absurd" that Kirk Cameron (of all people) should be an evangelical Christian? Do you know something we don't? Was he heavily involved in Satan worship during his run on "Growing Pains," or something?

4. Where have you been? KC's been doing evangelical straight-to-video stuff for years now, including the quasi-superhero "BibleMan" series and, yes, the LEFT BEHIND movie.

5. Dude, lighten up. Nobody's telling you outright that you're guaranteed a ticket to Hell: they're just offering a bit of friendly advice, like.

01:29 / 06.03.04

Actually Jack, Six recognized the incorrect spelling of Cameron's name and sent it to moderation not long after posting it.

Short of Kirk Cameron's previous television adventures, this thread really belongs more in Conversation than in F, TV and T.

Mister Six, whom all the girls

01:42 / 06.03.04

I thought the guy from Charles in Charge was BibleMan??

I'm cool Jack, I can't go somewhere I don't believe exists.

I'm just tickled by Kirk because rumor has it he stopped working on Growing Pains because of his religious beliefs. Myself, I would have stopped because I regained my sanity. He just has the earmarks of a silly former TV star selling religion the way most silly former TV stars sell digital TVs or read letters written by their client's customers.

I also like the website's 'click yes or no' options for the am I going to Hell quiz.

02:24 / 06.03.04

Jack Chick totally kicks his ass.

10:34 / 06.03.04

I thought the guy from Charles in Charge was BibleMan??

Y'know, you're right. Willie Aames, that was. Still, a natural enough mistake.

And did I miss something? I didn't see an "Are you going to Hell" yes/no option: it was an "Are you a Christian" yes/no option, wasn't it?

If your knee-jerk reaction is to read that as "Are you going to Hell?", then maybe you're the one with the problem, yo.

As to this:

He just has the earmarks of a silly former TV star selling religion the way most silly former TV stars sell digital TVs or read letters written by their client's customers.

...except that the folks who do that sort of thing do it purely for the money, and Cameron is doing it primarily out of conviction. If he's making any money off this, I doubt he's making much. It wouldn't surprise me if he's losing money.

Being an open evangelical Christian certainly isn't doing his career any favors, either in terms of the projects he's being offered or the reputation he's garnered in the industry.

You don't share his religious convictions, Six. And that's fine. But at least recognize the fact that the man basically committed career suicide because he's taken a stand on principle and prefers to only do projects he fully believes in: there's something admirable about that, isn't there?

Even if you don't share those principles (and I don't, not entirely, at least), you've got to admire his stones (which I do).

Too bad he's pretty much got the acting chops of a building timber, though.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:39 / 06.03.04

I don't think it's that easy, Jack. Dustin Diamond's career is not doing great, and that's not to my knowledge a result of his religion. One might as credibly say that Kirk Cameron identified a niche that would allow him to continue acting despite a lack of desire to hire him in the secular studios, and grabbed at with both hands...

Also, how on Earth can one confuse Willie Aames and Kirk Cameron?

11:57 / 06.03.04

It's the smirk. And the perm.

And be fair, Haus: Dustin Diamond was never a star of Kirk's magnitude--he was a C-lister at best, while Kirk was a solid B, a mini-star of name-above-the-title status. For a while in the late 80s-early 90s, there was a real expectation that Kirk Cameron was gonna be huge.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:16 / 06.03.04

Really? But his *head*. He has such a funny *head*...

Mister Six, whom all the girls

14:53 / 06.03.04

Well... when I view the lil animation at the bottom of the screen, Kirk appears in a white flash and DOES tell me that if I took God's name in vain, I'm a blasphemer, that if I don't put God first in my life or look at another person with lust in my mind, I don't get to go to Heaven, etc, all the while using what sounds like a sound effect from TRON when I click NO. Now, I know Kirk is quoting the big book, but it is odd to see someone not even of William Shatner's caliber telling me all of this.

It goes on to tell me that I've angered God and that He is not a forgiving God (offering up a strange analogy of God overlooking a judge who lets a rapist go), offering up my final verdict as going to HELL unless I beg forgiveness, keep clicking for ways to do this, etc.

Not like I have any alternative, unless I want to go to Hell, Jack. I don't think friendly advice is what the goal is, it's more like a scare tactic, which I don't view as a 'good' Christian thing to do, but what do I know, maybe it is or maybe I'm misreading the tactic.

Finally, I'll bring up the store button up top. So... I'll need the assistance of products to be OK in God's eyes and (I'm kidding here, Jack) more importantly Kirk's as well.

So, that's my view/problem with the dude/site. Kirk traded one career for another. Sure, if you value or respect his conviction, it was a choice of faith, but in my view, the guy couldn't make much money on the tube or bad movies, so he's making a living on evangalism and this site.

I'm obviously more of a cynic than a religious guy.

18:38 / 06.03.04

"I'll send you to hell fuckwit, never mind worrying about some boy actor, i'll roast your flesh myself!!!"

19:58 / 06.03.04

I took the little test too, and it concluded that I was going straight to hell. I never was too good at begging, and since by their accounts I broke all of the commandments (hatred=murder, who knew?), I don't think my knees could take the effort to get back on God's good side. Shall I save anyone a seat?

20:30 / 06.03.04

I did like their coffee machine though.

23:39 / 06.03.04

It is a little bit odd. But then, I fail to see why it matters. I mean, sure, if you're not a Christian you're not likely to be able to answer Yes to all of the questions, but you're not too likely to give a toss about whether or not you're going to be getting into Christian heaven either.

I don't understand the point.

01:20 / 07.03.04

The phrase you're looking for is "preaching to the choir," Randy--whether you're using the site as intended, as a resource for evangelization, or if you're getting cheap laughs with the old oh-those-wacky-Christians routine.

A plague on both your choirs.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

05:43 / 07.03.04

Wait, so we've sinned in the eyes of god, and that means we're fucked, but god stepped in to save us from god by dying on the cross, to make things up to god?

That doesn't make any sense at all.

06:01 / 07.03.04

Of course it doesn't. That's why i went to the Buddha.

06:29 / 07.03.04

Gnosticism has more sense anyway!!!!

That site in the first post had been warped by a Roman doctored bible without the Gospel of Thomas!!!!

DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:05 / 07.03.04

It is a little bit odd. But then, I fail to see why it matters. I mean, sure, if you're not a Christian you're not likely to be able to answer Yes to all of the questions, but you're not too likely to give a toss about whether or not you're going to be getting into Christian heaven either.

I think the point is that even if you *are* a Christian you aren't going to be able to answer "yes" to all those questions either. That's why you *have* to acccept Jesus as your saviour - if you just try to obery the commandments, you will fail, and go to Hell, Christian or not. Hence having to be born again...

16:27 / 07.03.04

...which is available on a convenient arrangement of 0% interest for the first six months...

17:00 / 07.03.04

Yeah it's a very strange deal. Maybe the ten commandments are things that Enlightened people wouldn't break and that's what it means.

Just like in Buddhism, and what it means by getting sent to hell is simply : you get re-born on this earth : hell.

Nah, i've gone Gnostic. At least those texts where hidden for hundreds of years and they haven't been messed with nearly as much. Also i don't have to run around shouting thee and thou and preaching revelation end times whilst frothing at the mouth and going on a mad one just for the sake of it.

15:19 / 08.03.04

I'd be much more worried if Tina Yothers told me I was going to hell. Because, man, she just seems to know stuff....

15:28 / 08.03.04

I think the point is that even if you *are* a Christian you aren't going to be able to answer "yes" to all those questions either. That's why you *have* to acccept Jesus as your saviour - if you just try to obery the commandments, you will fail, and go to Hell, Christian or not. Hence having to be born again...

Exactly right. That is, in fact, the main point of Christianity.

15:39 / 08.03.04

No, I get that, but you don't get any of the Ten Commandments stuff if you answer "yes" to the initial "Are you a Christian?" question, which is why its presence on the site doesn't make a huge amount of sense. Unless the purpose is to reasure those Christain visitors that they made the right choice.

No more pointless than this thread, though.

ONLY NICE THINGS

17:53 / 08.03.04

Well, because you are talking about different things when you say "Christian". You mean a member of a Christian church. Kirk means somebody who has been born again and received Jesus as their personal saviour, and therefore somebody who has received the forgiveness of God.