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Ganesh
22:16 / 04.03.04
Did people watch it? What did you think of it?

On the one hand, I'm grateful for anything that proves a breath of fresh air in the morass of stiflingly sentimental (and dangerously duplicitous) tele-medical drama (I'm talking about you, ER), and this seemed to have a good pedigree. On the other, it looked a tad Benny Hill.

I quite liked it, despite myself. Yes, the nurses are all women - slim, attractive women (who are all apparently local; no NHS recruitment problems in their hospital) - and the doctors all men. This'll hopefully change at least slightly as the series progresses. And everyone's gagging for a shag - well, hospitals are horny places (something about sex and death). It was nice to see some realistic cynicism now and again, though, instead of the usual chest-beating ethical dilemmas ("we owed that kid his life, Doug", etc., etc.)

Anyone else see it? Do you even know what I'm talking about.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:44 / 04.03.04
I'm just pleased to see you posting about this sort of telly again! I've missed it, y'know.

I didn't really watch it, but it seems half geared to comedy. It's the new teachers, right?
 
 
Ganesh
08:11 / 05.03.04
It's certainly got that 'everybody everywhere wants a shag' Teachers thing going on. There's not quite the same blunt gender division (women = sussed, men = crap), though. I'll be interested to see how it develops...
 
 
Ganesh
14:28 / 05.03.04
I'm just pleased to see you posting about this sort of telly again! I've missed it, y'know.

I guess I don't post much about this sort of stuff because, when I do, I get the distinct impression I'm virtually the only one here who watches it...
 
 
Sax
08:48 / 23.03.04
Aww, don't feel all alone. I'm always sitting in watching TV these days, and when I am I'm invariably thinking of you.

I watched the first No Angels and it left me a bit cold... on paper it looked good fun but I just didn't click with the characters and the situations just felt so contrived and slick. Kind of like a medical Two Pints of Lager..., unfortunately.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:01 / 23.03.04
Likewise, I'd assumed that I'd enjoy it it, as I tend to like things that are on C4 at ten (contrived as that sounds) but it always seemed to be teetering on the edge of funny and never quite getting there. And I don't know if this is a function of only having watched it properly once and half reading the other time it was on, but the main characters don't seem to be different enough from each other ; there's Kate, the neurotic one and... the other three. However, it'll no doubt be on in the flat again tonight, so I may yet change my mind...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:24 / 23.03.04
I saw this for the first time last week, the episode that ended with the girls looking after the daughter and playing with dildo's when she walked in...

I laughed out loud at quite a few of the gags, particularly the morning after the shag discussion, with the bloke in the background...I really quite like it, it's funny.

Definitely watch it again this week.
 
 
Jub
14:23 / 24.03.04
I really like it too Ganesh - don't worry!

My housemate reckons it's going to become a cult classic and uses this as an excuse to watch it. I grumble at him but go along with it as I like it too...

Um, it's slightly annoying insofar as it's trying to be sex-in-the-cityesque. There's the frumpy one, the mum, the two sexy ones etc.

So far the characters have been a bit undeveloped, but it's in there for the long haul, and they have been coming along nicely over the episodes. Each one so far seems to hae centred on a character so that in the first one we had Kate being a bit frumpy and bonking that doctor, then Anj bonking about behind her future-husband's back, then Lia being a bad mum, and yesterday we had Beth finding a man who was more than a bonk! wow! Last night's episode was the best by far owing to this slow developing of the characters and Beth story in particular was great. Little bit of untold stress with her family, the new guy and the interaction with the other girls.

That fellah's trouble though - the new management guy - you mark my words - that's no way to talk to someone in a crowded restaurant!
 
 
Ganesh
17:15 / 24.03.04
Sax, your Two Pints... comparison does No Angels a heee-uge disservice. It overdoes the sex stuff (which, along with being a four-woman ensemble piece, is where the Sex and the City comparisons begin and end) but I actually don't think the situations are especially contrived - not the medical ones, anyway. Those medical tropes are all deeply, horribly recognisable; okay, so all the apocryphal tales (heating up a cold corpse, removing the wrong kidney) take place in the same setting; pretty much any ongoing soap/drama effects this sort of compression.

I also think characters which initially seemed ITV sitcom-light are unfolding in terms of depth and complexity. I agree with Jub that last night's episode - Bev/Beth's Tale - was the best yet. It's also notable that No Angels is doing a surprisingly good job of tackling the various nurse stereotypes - angel, martyr, battleaxe, slapper - head-on.

It strikes me as a sort of medical Sex in the City/This Life hybrid. I reckon it'll eventually achieve the latter's cult status (we've already had the Milly-esque killer-punch, in episode one).
 
 
Sax
17:42 / 24.03.04
Sax, your Two Pints... comparison does No Angels a heee-uge disservice.

I know. I don't know why I did that. I just say these things so people will speak to me, sometimes.
 
 
Ganesh
18:16 / 24.03.04
You don't have to be a superstar. Just be yourself. Be who you are.
 
 
Warewullf
18:40 / 24.03.04
Watched one episode, didn't like it.

"Teachers" without the charm.

Or the midgets.
 
 
Ganesh
18:45 / 24.03.04
Judged it too early, then, Warewullf. It's a grower...

IMHO, etc., etc.
 
 
Jub
11:45 / 31.03.04
Ganesh - what does ACA stand for then? Might not have been that, but whatever Anji is anyway. Something Care Assistant maybe?

Last night's episode was very good. Focusing on Kate and her anger management as well as Anji and her not wanting to become a nurse - the plot was enriched by the inclusion of a rather strange lady doctor (a rarity on the show - as we all know that doctors are men and nurses are women).
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:55 / 31.03.04
I'm really getting into this. Beth's story was the best storyline yet.

And I also like the way they're almost literally counting off the stereotypes.

Good stuff.

But I now *need* a t-shirt emblazoned with the phrase 'nympho nurses in plastic panties'

Why must you torment me, Ganesh?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
16:36 / 31.03.04
Yeh, I liked it again...I missed the beginning though, what was the sub-plot with the 'orrible racist doctor? Was she a closet lesbian, and shamed away by the stripper in the local? Wha g'wan there?

Was amazed at some of the music sync licenses they've managed to procure, until the 'Soundtrack now available' disclaimer at the end...I don't have the original to check, but can anyone verify that the "Whatta Man" track they keep using in every episode is a cover? It doesn't sound a bit like En Vogue, if my memory serves me (which it sometimes stubbornly refuses to, just dumping unceremoniously into my lap).
 
 
Jub
07:09 / 01.04.04
MS - the Salt N Pepa (with En Vogue) track was a cover of the song that they use on the show. The original was released in 1968 "What a Man" by Linda Lyndell.

As for the woman doctor - I don't think she was that horrid - a fact not wasted on Anji. She was just a bit too self-important, and the other doctors felt she needed taking down a peg or two (rightly or wrongly). They used her gender and infered sexuality to ostracise her - perhaps in the hopes of breaking down her anal attitudes - least that's how I saw it. She was a bit patronising to Anji and that led the nurses to gang up on her too. This eventually led to the stripper in the bar. I was a bit dissapointed she left her job as I would've prefered to see this situation either extended or resolved.
 
 
Spaniel
09:10 / 01.04.04
A bit patronising

Bloody offensive more like.

However we were given reason to empathise with this rather unpleasant character.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
17:45 / 04.04.04
Ah ha! Cheers for the Name That Tune trivia!
 
 
Ganesh
22:58 / 05.04.04
The episode with the female SpR (Specialist Registrar, the grade just below Consultant) was excellent in its moral complexity, and rang true on a medical level, too. It examined the cliche of the Woman In Medicine - the archetypal woman who has clawed her way up the (still, outside General Practice, moderately male-dominated) career ladder, and become hardened/dehumanised as a result.

In this particular case, the argument was advanced that, in order to succeed in Hospital Medicine, the individual in question had to be a) twice as intelligent as her male counterparts, b) twice as ruthless, and c) unable to 'compromise' in terms of the usual medical survival mechanism, blackly cynical humour. She wouldn't or couldn't join in the (admittedly 'laddish') banter at the patient's bedside - and the male medical team were merciless in their group retaliation, attacking her gender and (perceived?) sexuality.

Given the chance of allying with the nurses (who, in No Angels operate along exaggeratedly all-female lines), she blew it by becoming paranoid and snubbing/alienating Anji, who had seen her cry.

Moral: if you can't pick any allies, you're gonna go down.

I liked the way this plotline was interwoven with the theme of making (bittersweet or downright wrong) career choices based on what is expected of one by others; this is a real biggie amongst doctors (many of whom seem, by their own accounts, to have inherited the condition via Mendelian genetics), and it struck a chord.

Looking forward to this week's: I agree, though, Gold Blend Bloke is gonna let Beth down...
 
 
Ganesh
23:08 / 05.04.04
Ganesh - what does ACA stand for then? Might not have been that, but whatever Anji is anyway. Something Care Assistant maybe?

It was actually HCA - Health Care Assistant.
 
 
Jub
13:34 / 14.04.04
Ganesh - thanks, I knew it'd be something like that. Now about Mr Gold Blend man... I think the way he's going to turn out to be a baddie, (at the end of the series no less) is by him being a married man! It must be. I can't think of any way else he could let Beth down *that* spectacularly.

I really liked the Dutch doctor "call me Willem" - very funny. When he meets Kate on rounds he said something like "hey I heard all you English nurses were crazy". Bless him.

I think the maturity the show needs is begining to be developed as we begin to empathise and relate to the characters more. When Beth and Kate have that screaming row and Kate skulks off, Beth said to Anj "stop looking at me like a killed a puppy".
- "but you did Beth" says Anji.

I especially like McManus being patronising to Kate last night, and maybe cos I was stoned, but I felt like he knew she knew what was going on better than him and he was okay with that. He really listened to what she had to say but shied away from the conversation which might make him look foolish by patronising her. Brilliant character, and overall very good writing.

Btw - I heard on the gossip trail that it has been commission for a second series already, so toot toot!!
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:51 / 14.04.04
Shit, I watched that Stephen Hawking bio on BBC2 instead. Which was OK, but not great.

{rot}
 
 
Ganesh
21:11 / 05.05.04
Final episode last night... and a cracker it was too. The ER spoof in the title sequence was spot-on: self-important, histrionic and, ultimately, signifying nothing (or nothing more than a concerted effort to beat the ridiculous Patient's Charter 20 minutes guideline).

Not a lot of closure - and, to be honest, I was quite pleased they hadn't gone for Sex and the City style happy endings. Plenty of hanging threads for a second series: Kate and Lia's thwarted ambitions; Clare, the hideously doctor-pleasing Ward Sister; Beth walking out on Gold Blend Man; Anji (who's my favourite character) suddenly developing unrequiting love, Emma style, for the frog-like Callum.

I've found this a surprisingly touching little gem of a series - and, however 'false' it might've appeared to reviewers (and I remember Kathryn Flett, in the Sunday Times, poo-pooing its portrayal of nursing/medical life), I've been delighted by the way it's shown recognisable clinical situation one simply doesn't see anywhere else. Casualty is too earnestly 'BBC', ER too breast-beatingly dishonest, Holby General etc. too soapy...

I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Roll on Series Two.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:32 / 06.05.04
'The frog like Callulm' - Haha!!

Not wishing to rot this thread, I also loved it, and I hardly ever bother to follow things, I never seem to find the time, but for this I was always in front of the telly at the right time...but...

Did you watch 'Whatever' that was on after it?

If so, start the thread, and I'll join in.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
08:11 / 18.03.05
Calling Ganesh, Boboss, Jub et al. Where you all at?

Series 2 is under way, and already fruitier and naughtier with more nympho and plastic panties than before!!

Hurray!
 
 
Spaniel
09:25 / 18.03.05
I liked it but I'm getting a little fed up with the nurses resolving situations by resorting to blackmail and hardarsery.

That horrid new nurse - I forget her name - was handled reasonably well. Sure, she was a bit cartoony*, but I was glad to see they resisted the hollywood impulse to reveal the fully formed lovely person beneath the damaged surface.


*I've met weirder, less socially skilled people IRL, so what the hey?
 
 
Jub
10:50 / 18.03.05
I'm there. It's great to see them back on the screen. Loving the soundtrack too.

The episode as it went was okay, but not a patch on some of the stuff from the last series. Beth and her stupid husband, Anj bonking and trying to woo Callum. I just don't care enough about those relationships to find them engaging.

Compare warming up a body in a bath (start of series 1) with nicking some shoes (start of series 2). Doesn't really bode well for the rest of the series, does it?
 
 
Spaniel
11:08 / 18.03.05
Oooh, you hard Jub, you. How can you not care, just a little bit, about Anj and Callum? That'n's been brewing for yonks. You should be all warmed up by now.

Besides, Anj taking a proper interest in any man is pretty serious stuff. Her character has begged the question from the get go: when's she going to meet the guy that stops her in her tracks?
 
 
Ganesh
12:05 / 18.03.05
The episode as it went was okay, but not a patch on some of the stuff from the last series.

Hmm. I must admit, I intentionally didn't watch the first episode of the new series because I was getting iffy vibes off the trailers, and worried that my warm fuzzies for the fairly self-contained arc of the initial run might be spoiled.

Am I wrong in thinking Callum had quit and was buggering of travelling or summat at the end of the last series? Is he back working as a doctor again, now?
 
 
Spaniel
12:11 / 18.03.05
Yes he is.

In what way was series one self contained? I stop watching regularly (and closely) about half way through.

I remember disliking the second series of Teachers because it felt regressive and redundant. Is the same mistake being made here?
 
 
Ganesh
13:15 / 18.03.05
In what way was series one self contained?

In the sense that, to quote Chrisopher Moltisanti, each character had an arc, stories wove together nicely and reached a conclusion of sorts. Part of that, if I remember rightly, was Callum's decision to leave Medicine for a while, possibly forever, because he'd been pressured into it and was a bit of a crap doctor.

My concern was that, in going for a second series, the familiar characters had been brought back whatever their situation, and at cost to their general integrity - so Callum's presumably done a u-turn with regard to his career, etc. It's one of my pet hates in television drama, particularly medical drama, and one of the (many) reasons I can't watch ER...
 
 
Spaniel
13:39 / 18.03.05
Exactly my concern about Teachers.

I appreciate why this kind of thing happens - no-one knows if there's going to be a second series - but it really is a pain in the arse.
 
 
Jub
14:48 / 18.03.05
The second series was commision in the middle of series one.

I'm just a bit concerned that this will go the way of Teachers - I think they get people to say what they liked about the first series and concentrate on those elements whilst sacrificing a certain cohesion.

The first season of Teachers was more of a quirky drama - and mostly from Simon's PoV. Then with each season they made it odder and "funnier" - and now it's just rubbish.

I'm worried that they are going to do the same sort of thing with No Angels turning it into a parody of its former self.

Granted: it's not that bad yet, but not a very strong opening for the second series.

Boboss: with regard to Anj and Callum - I see what you mean but I don't believe she would ever find a sallow spineless idiot like him alluring in anyway. I know what you mean about her being serious about any man being important - but I think the writers have picked the wrong character for her to fall for.
 
 
Spaniel
18:58 / 18.03.05
Yeah, it doesn't make that much sense emotionally.
 
  

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