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Surrealist Films

 
 
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22:38 / 01.03.04
About 6 years or so ago, during my first semester of college, I took a film class (one of many). One class the topic was surealist films. I had become interested in surrealist art in high school but I had never seen any surrealist movies (this is what I loved about college. being exposed to things you often wouldn't seek out on your own). The teacher showed us 3 films: Bunuel's "Un Chien Analou", Maya Deren's "Meshes of the Afternoon" and another film called "The Jetty" (forget the director).

Well, "Un Chien Anadalou" comes on and I'm floored. It's really great. I love weird things and this is a very weird film! And "Meshes" was really great too, very creepy and odd. "The Jetty" was okay but didn't impress me as much as the first two. After that class I began to seek out more weird films, which led me to stuff like David Lynch's "Eraserhead" and Soderberg's "Schizopolis". My second year of college I took another film class and once again there was a surrealist class, though this one didn't impress me as much as the first. Once again I saw "Andalou" but the other two this time were "The Clergyman and the Seashore" (I think that's the title) and "Crazy Ray".

As college went on my interests veered away from film to experimental books and comics. But last year I read Grant Morrison's comic "Doom Patrol" and at the end of his first issue he wrote that some of his inspirations included the films of Jan Svankmajer, Maya Deren's "Meshes of the Afternoon", Kenneth Anger's "Eaux D'Artifice" and other surrealist films. Around this time a friend had taken an interest in directing surrealist films and it was starting to rub off on me. So I decided to re-explore this genre.

Right. Recently I got the "Collected Work Of Jan Svankmajer volume 1" and liked it so much I ordered volume 2 and his version of Alice in Wonderland. I also ordered a DVD collection of Maya Deren's films (can't wait to see "Meshes" again after all these years) and Kenneth Anger's "Lucifer Rising/Invocation of My Demon Brother". As if all that wasn't enough I also got a Bunuel 4 movie collection which includes "Andalou" and "L' Age D'Or", which I've always wanted to see. And today I got a DVD of Brothers Quay films, mainly because I know Svankmajer influenced them and because the Quays influenced the Nine Inch Nails video "Closer", one of my all-time favorite music videos.

So, giving what I've seen, any suggestions about other surrealist directors/films worth seeking out, in your opinion? I figure this is the best place to ask a question like this.
 
 
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22:57 / 01.03.04
i just watched the The Begotten" last night. Guy who made it went on to direct Maryln Manson videos, suprise suprise.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:23 / 03.03.04
Begotten director's name is Elias Merhige, and he also went on to make Shadows of the Vampire, where nosferatu in the german film is actually a vampire.

Begotten is one of my favorite films of all time, its like a satellite transmission from another dimension. truly amazing.

its not however correct to call is surrealist. neither is the work of mayan daren nor chris marker (la jette). all these people are very influenced by the surrealist movement, and maybe could be described by the adjective "surreal", but what is surrealist is very narrowly defined, usually by the purposefully difficult criteria of Andre Breton.

if we are talking about "weird but not in a campy/trashy way" movies, than in addition to Begotten i'd also recommend Stan Brakhage, who made the most intensely poetic, abstract, and beautiful films in the history of the medium. there's a brilliant criterion collection dvd of his work... every time i watch it i feel like my mind is receiving way too much information from an unimaginable place.
 
 
lolita nation
17:38 / 03.03.04
cocteau cocteau cocteau..

there's a brilliant criterion set of the orphic trilogy. there's also a brilliant criterion set of my family's home movies 1986-7 coming out soon, I think, but blood of a poet is unmissable. some of the later bunuel -- discreet charm of the bourgeoisie and that obscure object of desire esp. -- is really stellar too.
 
 
pachinko droog
17:56 / 03.03.04
Check out Anger's "Innauguration of the Pleasure Dome" (I'm pretty sure this is the one with Marjorie Cameron in it); Harry Smith's "Heaven & Earth Magic" (Max Ernst-style collage cut-outs animated and rather unique); Svankmajer's "Faust" (which I thought was pretty disturbing but in a good way); and perhaps that Japanese film Tetsuo/Body Hammer (can't recall director's name, but very, very over the top).
 
 
pachinko droog
18:00 / 03.03.04
Sorry. Director's name is Shinya Tsukamoto. There's also a sequel.
 
 
Mazarine
18:02 / 03.03.04
Propsero's Books might qualify, I'm not 100% sure.
 
 
pachinko droog
18:21 / 03.03.04
Just remembered: Alejandro Jodorowski's "El Topo" and "Holy Mountain" (how could I have forgotten those?)
 
 
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22:14 / 03.03.04
Well, I was using surrealist films as a general umbrella term I suppose. Maybe "weird films" would have been more apt.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll have to check some of these out next month. A few of these films/directors I've heard of ("El Topo" & "Blood of a poet", for example) just have never gotten around to seeing.

Actually, I'd like to investigate Derek Jarman's films, as he seemed to have quite an involvement with groups like TG and Coil.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:18 / 03.03.04
Well, if it's weird films you're after as opposed to specifically surrealist films, there's a thread right here with some suggestions in it.
 
 
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02:32 / 04.03.04
Still, I wouldn't mind some specifically surrealist films being mentioned all the same.

This is getting nit-picky.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
16:46 / 04.03.04
I found this site a very useful introduction when I became interested in surrealist/weird movies.
 
 
pachinko droog
18:00 / 04.03.04
I've seen a couple of Derek Jarman's films. "Jubilee" was great. Loved the quote, "If we play our music loud enough, we can't hear the world falling apart." Great stuff. John Dee and Adam Ant. Doesn't get better than that.
 
 
Raw Norton
20:06 / 04.03.04
Last time I checked, "The Saragossa Manuscript" qualifies even under the strictest standards of surrealism. The director's name is Wojcieck Has, but I don't know if he has any other works of significance.
I'd recommend it, if you can get past the fact that Jerry Garcia would recommend it too.
 
  
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