BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Enochian

 
 
Olulabelle
21:07 / 28.02.04
I am not one for recounting my dreams publicly in view of the fact that unmanipulated dreams hold personal and private information, and sometimes messages which I (and I alone) am supposed to act upon. But I find myself stuck on a problem, and I think I need to take a chance on recounting this one.

So, recently I dreamt this:

A big old book filled with pages of the thinnest paper. On the pages are printed characters, it is a language I cannot comprehend, I have never seen these marks before. They feel very relevant to me, but how can they be? I realise the importance of these characters and I trace over and over them, committing them to memory, confident in my ability to take them out of the dreaming and back into reality.

I begin the process of waking myself, ready to open my eyes, lean to the left pick up my book and copy these characters down. Transferring the information like a download from my head through my hand and into the book.

But I cannot wake. I am stuck in lucidity, knowing I am dreaming, wishing to wake but unable to. Something is stopping me. I try and try but it doesn't work.

I try spinning and re-dreaming but I cannot get out of this place.

Eventually I finally wake, but I realise before my eyes are even open that I have none of the characters in my head.

Something wiped them.


Then I spent time mooching around feeling miserable that I had been thwarted in my dream, and that I didn't remember enough about any of the characters to draw them in my journal, until I discussed the dream with a friend and the friend said, You don't mean this, do you?

And I looked and instantly recognised the language, and all the characters I had traced, and I said, "Oh my GOD that's it, Oh my GOD, Fucking hell, I can't believe it," got major goosebumps and generally danced around in glee.

So I decided that I really needed to look into it further and I began researching Enochian, (and thanks to people here for their initial help). But what I found was that there is really very little basic information on the web about it, and that the information that is there is very advanced obscure theory, and discourages beginners from learning either the language, or indeed very much about it.

I felt very discouraged. First the dream stops me from remembering, then the information I can find makes little sense to me. But I knew nothing of Enochian until I started this research and I have realised that in order to understand Enochian and why I dreamt about it I clearly need to go back; waaaay back.

A lot of the references to Enochian refer to keys and tablets and Crowley and the elemental energies, and I guess really I am asking for advice on where to start in all this in order to get to the point where the whole Enochian theory makes some sort of sense to me.

How much deeper than the language itself and its origins do I need to go in order to begin to make this clearer?
 
 
EvskiG
22:25 / 28.02.04
I'd probably start with The Enochian World of Aleister Crowley, by Lon Milo Duquette and Chris Hyatt. It's easy to find, and Duquette really knows the subject.
 
 
The Folk King Idiot
15:35 / 29.02.04
At your service, High Priestess of all that is purple and shiny:

1) The priemer source for Enochian, in my opinion is The Book Of The Angel Reziel - this doccument also contains the TRUE calls. Use it wisely.

2) I would also obtain a copyof The Chymical Marriage Of Cristian Rosenkrutz for eerie paralels to your dream.

3)Grab yourself a chessboard and learn Enochian Chess by way of the Golden Dawn.

Enochian has recently become a passion of mine. Seeing this thread is...timely.
 
 
---
16:13 / 29.02.04
The Folk King did you mean The Chymical Wedding Of Christian Rosenkreutz?

If so i just did a searce and there's a PDF version here, just scroll down to the Rosicrucian section and you'll see it. You'll need Acrobat to be able to read it but if you haven't got that just type in 'Adobe Acrobat Freeware' in google or yahoo and you'll be able to download a free version.

It's one of the most famous books of Alchemy isn't it? I might have to download Acrobat myself and give it a read.
 
 
Dances with Gophers
18:52 / 29.02.04
About a year ago several members of Barbelith experienced coincidences related to the Enochian John Dee, the thread can be found here.

It contains links and general discussion on the subject.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:46 / 29.02.04
Seeing this thread is...timely.

Yes.

From what I can gather so far, dreaming it also appears to be fairly damn timely.

Well, I've just spent a King's ransom on books, I got severely sidetracked - 'I need that, I definitely need that, how will I ever learn anything if I don't have that', and so on and so forth. But I have to wait a week or so to get them. (*twiddles thumbs impatiently.*)
 
 
The Folk King Idiot
13:43 / 01.03.04
Believe it or not, I spent a good portion of last evening thinking about this topic. Enochian is seemingly the most powerful form of Magic in existence solely due to the fact that so very few magic practicioners gain little more than a primary experience with the system as a result of its complexity.
The Chymical Wedding is the premier Rossicrucian doccument and one of the founding texts of what we know as The Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn. In the tale, the author is taken to the temple of the Goddess unveiled where he is shown an alphabet of alien letters with the promise that "...He (C.R.C.) would learn those letters as well..." (This is to the best of my recollection) The story is more intriguing when one considers the possibility of Christian Rosenkrutz being yet another fictionsuit for the multi-masked Francis Bacon - but that's another Google search.
The true purpose and function of the language and system has been glossed over and the doccumentation of its effects are best described as fantastic. A quote from the 260th pamphlet of the Golden Dawn: "...The detailed study of the tablets and the method of using them with the Enochian invocations for skrying in the Spirit-Vision formed a definite part of the course of the work perscribed for the Adeptus Minor of the R.R. (et A.C.,) though I have never met anybody who had done it with any degree of thoroughness..."
"...the tablets of Enoch require in truth many years of study, and will repay such an expenditure of time and energy. The knowledge embodied in this manuscript ( The Concourse of Forces ) is very superficial and elementary, and entirely fails to do justice to the Enochian scheme..."
The book also carries with it a warning - [cue spooky organ music]:"...Undoubtedly, prudence is required in this matter. It is a very powerful system, and if used carelessly and indiscriminately will bring about disaster and spiritual disintergration. The warnings given in connection with the Invocations are not to be regarded as conventions nor platitudinous moralisings.They represent a knowledge of true facts, and the student will do well to take cognisance thereof..."
These words are not meant to discourage, simply to point out the path ahead is one seldom travelled. Isn't that what we are looking for?

So, if you have a minute or two,allow me to go off on a rant.

The reasoning behind the reccomendation of the Book of Raziel - This text is one of "unknown origin" or perhaps a Pseudogriphia. The book tells of ADM and ChVH's expulsion from Paradise and God's gift to them of toal knowledge of all the generations of man that were yet to come.This information was brought to them by the Angel Ratziel/Razael in the form of a jewel which held the divine data. The book tells of ADM having his future generations revealed to him by way of the showstone took pity on David,who would live a short life. ADM agreed to shorten his life in order to extend King David's greatness on Earth.
As interesting as that is (compare the showstone to John Dee's...) the book also contains a series of calls, which, like Enochian,consists of three letter invocations to summon the Divine Angels. I believe these to be the true calls of the æthyrs and the means of communication which Enochian alludes to.Dee and Kelly deliberatley concealed the calls in order to prevent future abuse of such power. Some say they are back-words, I think it is something different all together. There is something raher G-dlike in excercising authority over Angels that you just can't be achieved through Demonology.
What has to be understood with John Dee's reception is how he applied the power. The 91 calls are attributed to different locales on Earth. John Dee, assigned the number 007 by Queen Elizabeth, intended to use the Enochian system to conquer different regions of the world by way of High Magic (as displayed in The Tempest, Dr.Dee was Prospero).

At this point I am going to pause. I fear my post is long enough as is to deter a full reading.

Cheers.
 
 
_Boboss
14:56 / 01.03.04
i thought the authority to exercise power over angels was the g-d given right of every human? isn't that why lucifer and the gang rebelled in the first place?
 
 
The Folk King Idiot
18:08 / 01.03.04
Sure, but how often do humans use it?

According to the Kabbalah Unveiled (S.L.M.Mathers) the Kabbalah was taught to a group of Angels in the Garden of the Initiate (Get it? Garden of Eaten - for IN-IT-I-ATE of the tree...nyuk) The system was taught by God 'himself' and later taught to several of the Sons of Man, this knowledge itself one of the reasons for the 'deluge'.I digress.
Mans dominion over the Angels is exactly the reason why the system has been concealed and altered.One need only read The Enochian Apocalypsefound in the Disinfo Book Of Lies to guess at the true purpose of this system.
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
19:26 / 04.03.04
Perhaps it should be pointed out that the word ENOCH in Hebrew means to initiate.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:37 / 04.03.04
Folk King, the Chymical Wedding sounds like another version of the story of Odin discovering the runes...and yeah, kind've like the Voynich Manuscript's (I hope I got the name right, its been years) rather...odd story.

Speaking of the Voynich Manuscript, have there been any threads on the Barbelith boards regarding it?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:12 / 05.03.04
I started one awhile back, but I don't think it did very well due to limited information.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:34 / 07.03.04
The other day I had another Enochian dream which related specifically to this thread.

So now I am properly obsessed and need even more Enochian guidance.
 
 
---
22:18 / 07.03.04
Hi there, i just started looking around on the net after seeing The Folk King Idiot type : "One need only read The Enochian Apocalypse found in the Disinfo Book Of Lies to guess at the true purpose of this system".

I've just read a little about it, and it seems wierd to say the least. There will probably be two schools with completely different thoughts on what the system is intended for though, the way it usually get's rigged.

Anyway i found this for you olulabelle, i hope it helps until your books arrive : More Enochia.
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
18:48 / 08.03.04
Strange indeed.

It seems to me that to date (and I may be wrong) that no one has been able to complete all 48 known calls, not to mention the final call of the Goddess, due to a lack of stamina found in most frail, drug consuming, Magicians of recent times. Crowley himself was unable to consecutively scry the Aethyrs. Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard may have possibly pulled it off - they claim to have opened the door and granted entry to BABALON in 1947.
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
19:36 / 08.03.04
From the link:

"...The purpose of Loagaeth was said to be the ushering in of a new age on Earth, the last age before the end of all things. Instructions for using it to that effect were never given; the angels continually put it off, saying that only God could decide when the time was right....

A thought occours to me when reading the passage above. Is it possible that there is some connection to the Revelations of Saint John the Divine?

A Shot In The Dark:

Revelations 20

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
 
 
LVX23
21:49 / 08.03.04
Following Jack Frost's link, this link points to a good overview of the Enochian system.
 
 
grant
13:48 / 09.03.04
How does Enochian relate to the Book of Enoch?
 
 
The Folk King Idiot
14:45 / 09.03.04
"It is necessary to state here unequivocally for those unfamiliar with Enochian magic that neither Dee nor Kelly fabricated the spirit communications. Both believed completely in the realith of angels, although they differed about the motives of these beings. Dee believed the Angels to be obedient servents of God, submissive to the authority of Christ. Kelly (Talbot incarnated) distrusted them and suspected them of deliberate deception. The dislike was mutual. The Angels always treated Kelly with an amused contempt. Kelly hoped the Angels would commonicate the secret of the red powder, which is the only reason he endured their insults for so many years. - from Enochian Apocalypse by Donald Tyson, found in The Disinfo Book Of Lies

From the above statements one thing is certain - these were all beings with personal agendas. There is the secret 49th key of the Enochian system of magical manipulation.A further quote from Mr. Tyson's article:

"...the Enochian Angels acted as independent,intelligent beings with their own distinct personality and purposes..."

(BTW - If anyone knows how to contact Donald Tyson, his input on this topic would be greatly apreciated)

Bad news: If this is an example of angels and their behavior to man, we have been very, very mislead. When you read the transcript of the communications between the parties involved, it is with one eyebrow raised. It would be a grand film though...
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
20:52 / 09.03.04
Anybody notice the passage from revelations commences at Chapter 20:12?
 
 
Olulabelle
23:07 / 09.03.04
Look now.

You've all changed my thread from what was essentially 'A Beginners Guide to Understanding Enochian' into one which is 'about' Enochian in general.

Begone with your abstract theories, off, off with you I say.
 
 
lobster girl
12:54 / 11.03.04
My surname is Enochs. My favorite ancestor: Enoch Enochs.

What this means...hell if I know.
 
 
---
12:56 / 11.03.04
Olulabelle did you get your books?
 
 
The Folk King Idiot
12:34 / 15.03.04
My surname is Enochs. My favorite ancestor: Enoch Enochs.

What this means...hell if I know


...Initiate of Initiates.
 
 
grant
16:10 / 16.03.04
OK, are the Enochian angels like the angels (Watchers) in the Book of Enoch, or are they angels like what Enoch becomes (Metatron, the Voice of God) at the book's conclusion?
 
 
LykeX
12:18 / 23.11.04
Txt version of Donald Tyson's "Enochian Apocalypse"
 
 
Sekhmet
12:40 / 23.11.04
Is there any relation or correspondence between the Enochian alphabet and the Norse runes?

This is fascinating...
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:56 / 23.11.04
from what i read and god knows where i read it the angels of the watch towers are the watchers or nephilim.

i found this floating around a p2p network no idea of the original source.

Flying Roll No. XXXI
 
Correspondence between the Enochian and Ethiopic Alphabets,
 
by V.N.R. and V.H. Ad.Maj.
 
In the Book of the Concourse of the Forces it is stated that the letters of the Enochian Alphabet are of the nature of sigils and can therefore be better employed for magical purposes than our ordinary Roman characters, and we find proof of their force and correctness as to correspondence in the skrying of the squares of the Enochian Tablets. One or more of these letters being placed on the particular square employed in a vision, instead of the Roman letter will aid the skyring power by compelling the force of concentration on to the one square in question and on no other.
For however great may be the power of Clairvoyance, the student will find himself obtaining erroneous results should he not carry his correspondences to the last detail. Therefore it is wise to use the particular sigil of the square, as well as the general one of the Tablet, and naturally as well the ruling Names (Deity, Angelic and otherwise) with the correct pronunciation and vibration thereof, the colours &c &c.
The descent of the Book of the ‘Concourse of the Forces’ from the Egyptian Wisdom is undoubted, for we find that the very key note of the scheme of these tablets is the esoteric meaning of the Great Egyptian Symbols of the Pyramid and the Sphinx. The probability is then that this Tablet language has its origin in the Egyptian and its close resemblance to the Ethiopic (which is generally supposed to be derived from Egyptian) is very marked as the Table on page 000 will show.
Certainly, certain of these letters have a resemblance only when inverted or transposed, but this is not surprising when we consider the nature of hiero-glyphics, which can be read from right to left or vice versa and downward or in groups, and that a letter may also be turned in several directions.
The Ethiopic is composed (according to Gesenius’ Hebrew Grammar of 26 letters all consonantal (as are most Semitic languages) the vowels being expressed by little curves or dashes seven in number, for instance [picture missing] (here the curve or dash is at the right side and further it is half way up. In the second case the curve is at the top.)
In the Tablets, when written in the Roman character the vowels are sometimes omitted. It is for this reason that we have been told to pronouce certain vowels after certain consonants. e.g. If B in an Angel name precedes another consonant, as in SOBHA thou mayest pronounce it SOBAYHAH (Book of the Angelic Calls).
[table missing of characters]

the thing is one of the original books of enoch is ethiopian in origin.

perhaps there is a connection, id like to think so but i am not yet convinced.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:32 / 23.11.04
an example of the ethiopian script. also the book of enoch.

flying roll no xxxi is a golden dawn document.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:20 / 24.08.05
I have been trying this little experiment, ive locked crowleys recitations of enochian calls 1 and two into my mp3 player and have been performing walking meditation and sleeping and all sorts for the last 24 hours.

Noted effects so far>

Fantastic mood
Brimming with energy
ive picked up a well to do english accent? huh?
I feel like a naughty little boy, no change there.

People seem to be responding to me really well, like the sun shines out of my arse.

I am wondering has anybody tried using the calls purely as mantram, and has anybody ever found audio of all the calls, if not could some big bad enochian dude please make recordings and make them avalible, id really appreciate it,
also ive heard rumours of audio books of the book of the law, anybody know anything about that.

I know i should record it all myself, yeah well.

AS for the book of the law who should do the voices?
 
 
illmatic
14:24 / 24.08.05
Book 1: Bjork
Book 2: Kenneth William
Book 3: Hulk Hogan
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:17 / 24.08.05
Book of the law audio

also on ebay, wa hay.

Theres a cool d n b track called the enochian keys, sounds of a strange angel in it innit, but sadly no calls, boo hoo.

Any enochian film kicking about? i doubt it.

Book 1> sung by kate bush
book 2> played by napalm death
Book 3> the cast of the goon show

book of babalon> the spice girls. what i really really want. zig ah zig ahhhhhh is the whole of the law.
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:08 / 26.08.05
On a serious note, ive been continuing my enochian audio experiments, and things are getiing more intresting.

noted effects so far

> i am completely spaced out, high, but not in a drug like way
> my energy levels are like that of several days fast
> i feel light and expansive
> i am starting to experience visual distortions
> I have intense concentration and focus

I ve had no definate contact yet, but its my understanding that the first 2 calls arent concerned with bringing forth entities, but with setting certain principles in order.

I have spent today researching enochian on the net and trying to digest as much as possible, one thing that seems to come up is the difference between donald tysons system and the golden dawn system and the rankine, skinner system, has anybody read or tryed all 3 versions and can comment on there approaches.
 
  
Add Your Reply